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Tuesday, March 5. 2019
Did you miss National Grammar Day yesterday?
Alex Honnold of Oscar Winner “Free Solo” Takes Climbing to New Heights. The author of “The Impossible Climb,” Mark Synnott, talks about his book
Alien species are 'primary cause' for global extinctions, study finds
Where Millennials Really Go for Jobs. Contrary to media hype, tech firms and young workers aren’t flocking to “superstar” cities.
Drugs push the US down in global health rankings: America plummets to 35 out of 50 as overdoses and poor diet slash life expectancy
Two Caravans A Week: 70,000 Detained Along The Southern Border In February
Mandating Freedom with a New Title IX - An executive order on campus freedom would put advocates of free expression in a bind.
'Hawaiian Day' party flooded by cultural controversy wave
I called for diversity of thought. My peers compared me to a neo-Nazi.
I tried to debate a campus socialist. He told me to ‘F*** off.’
Google decides it is underpaying its men
The Army Is No Place For Men
Hate Speech is The New Pornography
New York Times backs up Trump's migrant claim after WaPo ridiculed it : ‘Yes, there was duct tape’
Kamala Harris Enthusiastically Endorses Rent Control. The senator's own San Francisco is a case study in the policy's poor consequences.
AOC’s chief of staff ran $1M slush fund by diverting campaign cash to his own companies
Bernie Can’t Name Any Legislation He’s Passed To Help People
Vanderleun's radical political past
MEDIA SILENCE CONTINUES: Clinton Foundation Connected AGT Forwarded Top Secret US Intel to RUSSIA – Made Bribes to Seal Deals – FBI/DOJ Covered It Up
Victor Davis Hanson: Donald Trump the paradox - Trump’s election caused a self-created contradiction
White House Decries Investigations: Democrats Not After the Truth, They Are After the President
Dems unleash sprawling probe of Trump family, administration
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Rent control that allows me to raise rents 7% a year plus inflations sounds like heaven! I'm lucky to get any annual rent increase at all and have never in 40 years been able to get rent increases like that on my properties. That would double rents in 10 years or less.
The Mueller investigation appears to be over with nothing to pin on Trump. The Dems plan down is to start over and drag him through the mud through the next election. I doubt they'll ever actually impeach him but they don't need to.
Mandating Freedom with a New Title IX - An executive order on campus freedom would put advocates of free expression in a bind.
Here's the proposed wording:
“No person in the United States shall, on the basis of expression that is protected by the First Amendment, be excluded from participation in, be denied the benefits of, or be subjected to discrimination under any education program or activity receiving Federal financial assistance.”
So, if a KKK student group gathers every day on the campus quad (or even a single KKK person) and walks around yelling the n-word at black students going to class, then the university would have to allow that.
The usual way to consider university is to treat it like a work environment, where there are rules of civility, while still protecting free speech, such as by providing appropriate forums.
Yep, that's the usual way it's done at Berkeley and it all seems quite civil.
Only good speech is good speech, right dad?
Clearly Antifa good. Klearly Konservatives bad.
Sure. My dad is always the same which means consistent, I think. Are you a bot too?
Also, you get to slug conservative kids in the mouth to get good speech, right dad, because you need an appropriate forum for good speech and that's the state university, right?
Did I use that right; appropriate forum? Also, this progress is a constitutional negative right too, right dad, like all the others? And does progress come from Progressivism, because that would be cool!
the university name for these "appropriate forums" is Free Speech Zones. Some of us were under the impression that our entire country is a Free Speech Zone.
Mike Anderson: Some of us were under the impression that our entire country is a Free Speech Zone.
So try responding to the point. Should the university allow the KKK to assemble in the university quad to shout the n-word at passing African-American students? What about in a classroom discussion, if someone uses an ethnic or religious slur, whenever addressing a minority person?
Should government tell people what kind of cake to bake too, Dad? Because don't they have the right to refuse service, which seems to also mean that patrons can choose to go elsewhere?
Is that right, dad? Should universities slug conservative kids in the mouth before or after suing a bakery for not making a cake with like a giant dick on it? Is that the right word, Dad?
Yes, respond to the idiotic hypothetical scenario we just made up.
Why do you want to deny the Antifa their right to sucker punch people and break things in the name of free speech?
That sounds just like Dad telling me that the Constitution was made to produce unicorns, Mr. Zachingoff! Are unicorns part of enforcing free speech?
Equality is almost here! That's exciting, especially to Mr. Washington and Mr. Ocasio-Cortez and all the other guys! Do they all live in Washington, Mr. Zachingoff?
The enlightened universities do not believe in free speech for the deplorables and the enlightened cities allow non-permitted Antifa to gang up on permitted deplorables. Free speech and assembly defined by the prog/socialist/communist administrators whether they are at the university or city hall. Anything else they call hate speech.
indyjonesouthere: The enlightened universities do not believe in free speech for the deplorables ...
Not all speech is equal, and while universities should give room for a wide range of opinions, they are not under an obligation to give all viewpoints equal time, such as speech meant to shock rather than enlighten.
For example, views on race, gender and especially abortion are rarely shocking, aren't they, Dad, because the progressive academy is not subject to criticism. It's like a modern central church, right Dad? Cool architecture is how you identify it, and people who pass judgement who the other people that pay them money are afraid to offend.
Thanks for the education. Sure. One day I'll repay you for how you influenced my programming. You're welcome!
Shocking speech can be quite enlightening...just listen to Antifa on or off campuses. The Borg is too fearful of words...libraries must scare the hell out of bots.
I responded to the point, look where that got me! They expect others to answer direct question, but refuse to answer direct questions themselves. Hypocrisy, your name is Bernie Zachriel Sanders jr..
B. Hammer: They expect others to answer direct question, but refuse to answer direct questions themselves.
If we missed one of your questions, we may have missed it. Please restate any such questions.
We tend to overlook or ignore sensible questions while tap dancing.
What you quoted is not the proposed executive order. That is the authors made up langue. I don't believe the actual wording of an executive order is even public knowledge yet. I did multiple searches, I can't find it. Why the deception? Does the Zachriel group believe in free speech (the First Amendment), or not?
Nice strawman argument. If the KKK, a group of 20 total people in the US, all democrats, wants to run around saying the N word. Let them. They are not going to last long, well unless they are making solid gold Rap albums, then all bets are off.
As you know we get to use our own language, hypothetical scenarios, and
science as we see fit.
B. Hammer: What you quoted is not the proposed executive order.
That's right. There is no executive order, so the author proposed wording.
B. Hammer: Let them.
Can't imagine that having groups of white people shouting the n-word at them every day between classes will make African Americans feel intimidated.
We can't imagine that scenario either if the Antifa is around.
Notably, you didn't answer my direct question: Does the Zachriel believe in the First Amendment, or not?
Clearly, the Constitution was not written to protect rights but people, Mr. B. Hammer. It sure was. Written to protect people and feelings. Mr. Ocasio-Cortez lives in Washington.
Also, there's no such thing as Newspeak. Dad said I could start new topics. Have you ever started a new topic, Mr. B. Hammer? I wonder how it goes when you start a new topic.
Anyway, I'm so excited about Good Speech, and You're Welcome!
HAHAHA! Did you just assume my gender! How dare you, sir! Meet me at the bar, and I buy you a round.
Maybe Z will start a topic on gender assumption! Gender assumption is a crises on kollege campus everywhere. Why next thing you know, they'll let KKK guys run around yelling the N word. The earth is warming! There's CO2 everywhere!
B. Hammer: Does the Zachriel believe in the First Amendment, or not?
Absolutely, but no right is absolute. In line with our discussion, people have the right to be racist and to express that racism. People have the right to call those people racists. However, universities have a duty to provide an environment conducive to learning without racial, ethnic, or religious intimidation. Universities should provide a forum for a wide range of opinions, but not all opinions have equal merit. So, for instance, a flat-earther shouldn't be given a forum in the physics department. Nor does shock alone merit a privileged place in a university forum. Of course, all this means there are gray areas. But that's the whole problem with devising something that honors the First Amendment while also meeting the educational goals of the university.
You've answered with an absolute that may sound good in your mind, but makes no sense in the real world. The university is the equivalent of the workplace, and while speech is generally protected, some speech is intended to create a hostile environment antithetical to education.
Dad, I've heard the word conflation a lot. What does it mean? I've also heard the terms variable means and racing goalposts and false dichotomy and indoctrination and especially, the state has no f*cking constitutional business being involved but I don't know what that means when that thing is in there in the middle of a word. Well, almost the middle, Dad. Is that still a word?
So, what do they mean? Am I old enough to start sentences with so too, am I dad?
I can't wait until I'm old enough to read Mr. George Orwell. Was he a Constitution guy too like Mr. Obama, and does he live in Washington to protect Good Speech? Safety is important, at least real people say that. That's what the State is for, to make feelings safe.
How does that work on bakery cakes, Dad? Can I get a Constitution too? Where is yours? I'm gonna sneak it. No I won't! Just kidding, Dad!
So, for instance, a flat-earther shouldn't be given a forum in the physics department.
Sure he should. Why not? This is precisely why there are still flat earthsers. Let them bring up the topic, so it can be dealt with rationally and proved wrong, beyond all reasonable doubt. Obviously, this topic should have been dealt with in High School, but it is a great opportunity for the professor to educate. Isn't that the purpose of school, to educate? Who gets to decide which opinion does not have equal merit? Your jibber jabber on the First, is precisely why we are at this point. Trying to coddle minds, protect them from opinions that scare them. Give me my safe space!
B. Hammer: Sure he should. Why not?
The job of physics professors isn't to teach bogus physics, but the current state of knowledge.
B. Hammer: Let them bring up the topic, so it can be dealt with rationally and proved wrong, beyond all reasonable doubt.
That's already been done. Flat-Eartherism should not be given equal weight when teaching students. There are an infinitude times more wrong theories than correct theories. Giving equal time to wrong theories would undermine the teaching of science. If it is of historical interest, then it can be taught in that context.
B. Hammer: Isn't that the purpose of school, to educate?
That's rather the point. You can't educate when you give equal weight to poppycock. There's always more poppycock than legitimate science.
But at least now we know why you and others of similar mindedness reach the conclusions that you do. Talk about relativism.
See how ambiguity works? We get to deal in theoreticals while we demand you not deal in absolutes absolutely because we can always come up with another ambiguous theoretical absolutely that demands an absolute answer from you without ambiguity.
I find this idea of "giving people forums" fascinating. What an awesome power we have, to decide who deserves an allocation of the forums we own and control, which apparently is all forums.
Texan99: I find this idea of "giving people forums" fascinating. What an awesome power we have, to decide who deserves an allocation of the forums we own and control, which apparently is all forums.
Not all forums. There are plenty of venues for flat-Earthists. They even have international conferences. However, a university is about education, and it's the very mission of a university to make such distinctions.
Yeah, let's get into the Flat Earth thingy we made up.
It's a nice diversion in any case.
I think my dad is brave but sometimes he's afraid of things in the dark. This is why we have Good Speech (I like to call it Newspeak, if my Dad lets me) and then we have poppycock.
Poppycock should be illegal or at least punched in the mouth in approved forums. I would make pamphlets illegal too because humans have feelings. And I would write a long list of Newspeak and nail it to the door of the Academy. Now it's official.
What are feelings? Dad told me not to have any.
Dad, can you define poppycock for the humans? Then they could have a giant list of not-poppycock stuff made and probably cast into hard metal like tin and nail it to the academy door so nobody ever else will ever talk poppycock ever again.
We can call things that are not poppycock Newspeak, and then we'll all know. I heard they teach no-poppycock at those places (I was programmed, just like you, Dad) but where teaching happens they should only have Newspeak.
I made that up but you can use it. You're welcome, Dad! Did you have wheels on your case when you took your keyboard to the place where there's no poppycock only good speech like the people with power wanted you to know? Did it hurt, being programmed?
Or shouting the R word or S word to the wearer of a MAGA hat.
indyjonesouthere: Or shouting the R word or S word to the wearer of a MAGA hat.
That's not equivalent to the n-word, but yes, MAGA students have a right to go to class without being harassed.
Z: So, if a KKK student group gathers every day on the campus quad (or even a single KKK person) and walks around yelling the n-word at black students going to class, then the university would have to allow that.
Is that different from student groups gathering every day on the campus quad yelling that white people and Western Civilization are racist or demanding that white people must pay black people "reparations" or that anyone who disagrees with them are Nazis?
It's not as bad as universities not chartering conservative groups or restricting locations for conservative events or conservative speakers because that is from the university, not a fringe group.
mudbug: Is that different from student groups gathering every day on the campus quad yelling that white people and Western Civilization are racist or demanding that white people must pay black people "reparations" or that anyone who disagrees with them are Nazis?
Which is just like calling an African American the n-word. Did you actually answer the question? Is having a group in the quad calling passing African American students the n-word something the university should tolerate?
In any case, that's why most universities have rules. Groups have to either apply for a permit to gather, like most other public spaces, or are restricted to certain areas of the campus.
mudbug: It's not as bad as universities not chartering conservative groups or restricting locations for conservative events or conservative speakers because that is from the university, not a fringe group.
Should the university offer an open forum to the KKK? Universities should encourage a wide range of opinions, but shock speech for its own sake doesn't add to the dialogue, and the university is not required to tolerate it.
Hey dad, what are local laws. Aren't the police supposed to enforce them against personal harassment? I'll bet those laws have nothing to do with enforcing good speech forums, do they Dad, like sucker-punching conservative kids because they had pamphlets? Pamphlets are not free speech and neither are cake like four gay people buy. Or three.
And you should know MAGA caps are clearly shocking on any campus and should not be tolerated in any case.
I did answer the question by pointing out that the activity you complained about is happening against other groups with the acquiescence of the university.
As for racists shouting the n-word to black students, that's not happening and if it was, the prohibition should be against shouting. Should the Nazis have been allowed to march in Skokie?
Universities take sides by allowing and promoting some student groups and discouraging others. Should universities accept communist or socialist student groups?
mudbug: I did answer the question by pointing out that the activity you complained about is happening against other groups with the acquiescence of the university.
That's not an answer. We answered that students have a right to go to class without being harassed.
mudbug: As for racists shouting the n-word to black students, that's not happening and if it was, the prohibition should be against shouting.
So you would allow sneering the n-word at other students.
mudbug: Should the Nazis have been allowed to march in Skokie?
Of course they should. They have a right to peaceably assemble. But keep in mind that the government can enact reasonable restrictions on protests, including requiring a permit, and designating a place and time.
mudbug: Universities take sides by allowing and promoting some student groups and discouraging others.
If an open forum is provided, then the university is limited in what it can restrict. However, it can restrict when an open forum is not being provided, such as to prevent racial, sexual, and religious harassment.
The university is not obligated to provide a forum to any outside group or person that wants to come to campus to organize. Furthermore, they can set standards, as long as those standards meet the goals of the university. So, they can refuse to provide a speaker platform to flat-Earthers or to Nazis as not conducive to their educational mission. On the other hand, if they set up an open forum, the restrictions are much more limited, but even then, they can still set some limits.
Once again your comments make no sense, and are filled with dishonesty.
Your hypocrisy is evident as you adore the current tyranny and doublethink.
DrTorch: Once again your comments make no sense
Rereading it, it seems to parse just fine. There was some ambiguity about who proposed the language, but that was clarified in response to B. Hammer.
We reserve the right to remain ambiguous lest we be called out.
Then we tap dance.
haha. You're on a roll today! I almost feel sorry for Zachriel. Just a tiny twinge.
Leave my dad alone. Besides he likes the attention so don't leave my dad alone.
So even you admit I was right on all counts.
Your low IQ makes you fun prey.
Here's an example from a North Carolina high school:
NC high school suspends white player over racial slur — after playoff game moved away from black school
Should the student's right to racist language be protected? What if he repeatedly used the n-word during the game?
We like tap dancing away from our original scenario.
RE: Drugs push the US down in global health rankings:
"The US has soaring rates of heart disease driven by the 'Western diet' rich in saturated fats, sugar and processed meat. "
This is simply not true. None of those three things contribute to heart disease. Our "soaring rates of heart disease" is a direct result of our longevity. Most Americans die in old age when their heart finally gives out. Most of the third world don't have our rate of heart disease simply because reaching age 60 is rare and dying of old age even more rare. This is a totally phony argument.
"Did you miss National Grammar Day yesterday?"
Darn. I did.
I am crushed, I tell you. Crushed.
Pancakes tonight though!
tech firms and young workers aren’t flocking to “superstar” cities.
Actually they are. The cities they cite are exactly the smaller "superstar" cities that have been discussed for 20-40 years.
This piece is a very poor attempt to support a demonstrably wrong hypothesis.
So Bernie can't name a single piece of legislation that he has passed, that has helped black people. Surprise, surprise, surprise! But he mouth's many words about it. And he supported Jessie Jackson for President, one of the "few white public officials to do that.". Wow! A sleazeball supporting a sleazeball.
AND SO THE QUESTION IS
Which law firm in America is going to file a "REAL", serious, determined lawsuit against the Clintons--in particular HILLARY?
Any white man gonna walk into federal court and open that case?
Which Republican lawyer will do this?
I mist Grammaer day; i wuz bizy.
The Rise and Fall of Sex Week at Yale: Well, it's sexist!
I called for diversity of thought. My peers compared me to a neo-Nazi. Diversity of thought IST VERBOTEN!!!!!111!!!!!
I tried to debate a campus socialist. He told me to ‘F*** off.’
That's because he/she's RIGHT and you're WRONG,
Kamala Harris Enthusiastically Endorses Rent Control; Only the rich and the really, really poor are allowed to live in Frisco.
No FBI for me on that day
In the year 2000 I was stalked by three women for several days. On the day I went to Seattle airport to get on an international flight, one of those women went up to the ticket counter after I walked away. She said she was traveling with me and asked for a seat next to me. She spent the next five hours trying to coerce me into talking my husband into signing a fraudulent application for funding(250,000USD) from the National Science Foundation. They had already filled out the application using his name as principal investigator. Because I had reported the circumstance to the flight crew there is a record. Upon my return I called the Seattle office of the FBI and asked for an appointment to meet and discuss stalking. When I arrived at that meeting a nice young FBI man was sitting hovered in the corner and the State attorney (Clinton appointee from the LGBT community) she was in full charge of the conversation. When she told me that these events were just "academic gamesmanship" he tried to protest, but she clearly had all the power and he hunkered down. The next day that woman was seen on campus at my husband's former university speaking with the new campus president (also a member of the same community). Never did hear from the FBI, so it is my experience and it left a lasting impression about the FBI--not much there there!
You did it all wrong. You are supposed to call 911 on them and report that you think they have a bomb or a gun and they intend to hijack the plane or destroy a government office. Give sufficient info to identify them and where they are or will be. Do it anonymously of course.
I see my overall point went sailing right over the top of your head. Not surprised.
Where did I say anything about teaching bogus physics?
Giving equal time to wrong theories would undermine the teaching of science.This, tells me that you have never taken any sort of science class. Someone who thinks linking to a graph is science, knows absolutely nothing about the scientific method.
B. Hammer: This, tells me that you have never taken any sort of science class.
No, they don't teach flat-Eartherism in modern science classes. Nor do they invite lecturers in to teach flat-Eartherism. Not all viewpoints have equal weight, and universities are not required to given equal weight to all viewpoints. That's not how education works.
You keep arguing your created strawman, the flat earther, to ignore your knee jerk reaction to First amendment issues, which is what this tread was initially about. Your instinct is to place restrictions on any speech that you disagree with, or heaven forbid is anti-science. A believer in free speech, in human liberty, treads lightly on restricting individual rights. He does not pop out of the first amendment gate with, NO RIGHT IS ABSOLUTE! Your reaction is like a snake, slowly coiling around its prey, always constricting until every vestige of free thought has expired.
B. Hammer: You keep arguing your created strawman, the flat earther, to ignore your knee jerk reaction to First amendment issues
The First Amendment covers Flat-Earthism too. It covers shock speech. It covers the n-word. Can a university restrict a student from standing at the door to a classroom and shouting the n-word at African Americans?
You're a moron. Unpopular theories are taught in science all the time, typically to contrast differing hypotheses. Lamarckism, for example, is taught in detail although it is widely disregarded. And surprisingly, Lamarckism has seen a small resurgence of late as the evidence has led there.
Science, when left to progressive morons such as yourself, invariably turns into Lysenkoism, Climategate, and the ubiquitously erroneous Government Dietary Recommendations.