Maggie's Farm

There is zero doubt that 100% of the fossil fuels will be burned. There is no possibility that won't happen. Even if we choose not to use it someone else will. When that happens, when the last lump of coal, the last gallon of oil and the last cubic foot of NG is burned there will be no statistical change in the earths climate. In fact we may well be in the next cyclical cold cycle or an ice age. The earth is literally unaffected by the CO2, period. The AGW scam is and always was a massive left wing power and money grab, nothing more, nothing less. Any compliance to this scam will only empower those who would rule over and oppress you and make life more difficult for the common man. That is the goal.

" Alternatives will be developed sector by sector." I sincerely wish it were true. But where are those alternatives? Don't say wind and solar because the evidence that they are not cost effective is there for all to see. If they were cost effective there wouldn't be massive subsidies and regulations to force people to adopt them. Both wind and PV use more energy from hydrocarbons to make and manage then they can ever produce. Where are the viable alternatives??? Hydro for sure but the last hydro facility was built half a century ago and since then we have torn down a couple dozen dams to please crazy left wing pseudo environmentalists. There are no legitimate alternative and this is in spite of billions and billions of dollars, massive amounts of manpower and the best minds in the world working on it. Surely there would be something, anything we could point to and say that is the power for the future. But so far nothing, well nothing except a couple of fake alternatives whose only purpose seems to be to harvest government subsidies and not energy. I have been in this game for over 65 years. I got my first solar cell in 1955. I have followed all of the possible alternatives for decades and they all claim great promise and yet today there is nothing that can replace fossil fuels. Could it happen tomorrow, a sudden breakthrough or discovery? Sure, but that's not a "plan" that is wishful thinking.

Yes, I know there is nuclear. But even nuclear has it's problems. If it were possible to replace all our fossil powered energy generation facilities with nuclear tomorrow we would begin to run out of fuel within years and it would slowly grind to a halt. We could run a dozen or so nuclear facilities for two hundred years but that will be about 1% of our energy needs. At best nuclear is a bridge to some "magical" energy source. When that magical source doesn't appear civilization will crumble. Period!

That is the dream but it never happened and nothing is going on that makes it look likely. In the past 50 years they made great improvements in those things you mentioned but not wind or PV or batteries. Yes it looks like batteries have improved dramatically but they use toxic heavy metals that are rare and super expensive. Would you even be able to buy a Prius without a massive federal subsidy? I can buy a brand new Kia for what the Prius batteries cost. Batteries are still a terrible problem for alternative energy and there is zero on the horizon to solve that problem. Meanwhile PV and wind have all the problems I cited previously. To the point they are virtually useless as a replacement for coal, oil and NG. In fact without coal, oil and NG it is impossible to manufacture the components of a PV or wind system. It was/is all a scam. They are not net producers of energy they are net users of energy. There is nothing on the horizon. Every year or two there will be big propaganda pieces in the science magazines about some breakthrough or efficiency gain in PV and it always turns out to be more smoke and mirrors and never quite lives up to the claims.

Try it yourself. You don't really have to spend a penny do it all on paper. Check the purchase price for a PV system for your home, retail without any government subsidies. Get the cost of installation, all the peripheral equipment. Then using the readily available tables compute the solar gain, the hours and percentages of generation and reduce that by 10%-15% for loss and other factors not covered by the table. Compare all that cost with your savings. You will be surprised. So what is the payoff period? That is how many years until the system pays for itself. Without the subsidies and with honest calculations you will discover it never pays for itself. NEVER

"The next glacial period, which was still thousands of years in the future"

Zach you are an imbecile. The next cooling period (mini ice age) is due very soon and no amount of CO2 will prevent it. The next ice age is not predictable and it is scarily true that it could actually happen any time with little warning. Both of these cyclical climate events are almost totally dependent on our sun and not on CO2, water vapor, fake global warming or anything man can do. It will happen with or without our care or ability to control. Anyone who knows anything at all about earths history knows this to be absolutely true. What the left hopes for and seems to be true is that most people know little to nothing about earth climate history. That is why AGW was chosen for the scam. Duh!

Zach you are intentionally obtuse and must lie and misconstrue to even make a point. First of all a cyclical cooling period is predictable. A cooling period like the little ice age is cyclical and an approximate prediction can be made. it is the Milankovitch cycles that cause them. The problem with predicting them is that they can be relatively minor, a degree or 2.

It is the ice age that is not predictable. It is solely a result of unpredictable sun activity and not predictably cyclical as the Milankovitch cycles are.

I stated that clearly in my comment and you were forced to conflate the two very separate events to try to make your point. That would make me think that you really don't know what you are talking about and are more of a professional bull shitter then a student of science.

"list of socialists and communists in Congress"

https://www.trevorloudon.com/2019/02/trevor-loudons-2019-list-of-socialists-and-communists-in-congress/

Do not under estimate the meaning of this.