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Bird Dog: She goes first, as someone who is said to have made 7 million flipping subprime houses
Trump’s claim that Elizabeth Warren made a ‘quick killing’ in foreclosures Mueller probably should look into that.
Putin may be involved. Roger Stone: I don't know if he "lied", misstated or was tricked to commit perjury. It seems obvious that he committed no crime, no collusion (which wouldn't be a crime) and in fact did nothing wrong except to speak up (his nickname is the loudmouth). But if he perjured himself (and I mean legally not simply an accusation) then I am OK with a criminal case and punishment. But why have literally every one of Obama's cabinet who have committed perjury not faced the same risk and the same "justice"???
My advice to Trump and the Republicans is appoint a special prosecutor to investigate Obama and Hillary. In fact appoint a half dozen or so because the criminal acts are so extensive and involve so many people that one couldn't do the job. One for Hillary, one for the DOJ, one for the FBI, one for the CIA, one for Obama, etc. DO it!! In 2020 the Dems will steal back congress and probably the presidency and their terrible criminal activity during the Obama mistake will go unexposed and unpunished. DO IT!! Grow some cojones. QUOTE: ROGER STONE’S ARREST: WHAT’S SCANDALOUS, AND WHAT ISN’T QUOTE: The salient point is that Mueller’s indictment of Stone confirms that the Trump campaign had nothing to do with the theft of emails from the Democratic National Committee or their publication by Wikileaks. We do not have direct evidence as to whether the Trump campaign colluded with Russia, but we do know that a lot of people in the Trump campaign have lied about their contacts with Russia and WikiLeaks, including almost certainly Roger Stone. QUOTE: If that is true {that Stone lied}, Stone is in trouble. Sure. So why have so many people in the campaign lied to law enforcement about their contacts with Russia and WikiLeaks? QUOTE: The arrest was preserved on video because someone–presumably either the FBI or Mueller’s team–tipped off CNN, and CNN had cameras stationed in front of Stone’s residence at 5:00 in the morning. That's almost certainly false, and just goes to show how far into the echochamber Hinderaker and other have found themselves. CNN was staking out the grand jury, which rarely meets on Thursdays. The last time this happened, indictments came down the following day. On Thursday, the grand jury interviewed Andrew Stettner, Stone associate Corsi's stepson. CNN reporters then made the reasonable assumption that there could be an indictment coming down, and that Stone was a likely target. How do we know? Because CNN's Shimon Prokupecz reported on it before the arrest. QUOTE: The video shows a dozen heavily armed FBI agents carrying out what can fairly be described as a paramilitary operation against Stone’s home. Why? Because they were also executing a search warrant. GoneWithTheWind: It seems obvious that he committed no crime
Have you even read the indictment? Stone told a witness to do a “Frank Pentangeli”, called him a rat, and even threatened his service dog. Stone also testified that he didn't have text messages concerning WikiLeaks, that he only communicated verbally, but that testimony was demonstrably false. Called him a rat! Didn't remember his texts! Oooh! Serious stuff there! A real threat to "our democracy!" No wonder they needed automatic weapons when they arrested him! Obviously, the judge who let him free, basically on his own recognizance, didn't understand the true danger that man poses to us all!
mudbug: A real threat to "our democracy!"
Roger Stone almost certainly lied under oath. Lying to investigators acts to prevent the uncovering of crimes. While sometimes people lie for non-criminal reasons, in this case, the issue is a foreign attack on the Democratic campaign, and attempted infiltration of the Trump campaign, so a complete investigation is important to safeguarding the democratic process. Instead of cooperating, a lot of people in the Trump campaign have lied to investigators. Why? Of course, this is actually quite normal in the investigation of criminal conspiracies. Zach-borg (paid shill) :.. a foreign attack on the Democratic campaign..."
Averment and fake news! There was NO "attack"; there was a huge leak secured by an insider, (likely patriot Seth Rich, who could not stand the nefarious tactics of the Clinton Crime Family against his favored candidate, the Bern!) Well-respected IT professionals have shown that the data could not have been transferred to Wiki by means of a remote computer hack! It had to be an inside job. That's okay, Comrade Zach-collective, Seth Rich died for your sins of LYING (you've only done it once, but that's been continual!), having been killed by a Clinton-bought MS-13 hit squad!
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Old Codger
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2019-01-26 11:52
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Old Codger: There was NO "attack"; there was a huge leak secured by an insider
Multiple, independent experts have concluded that the Russians were the source of the hack. There are multiple lines of evidence showing that Russia is engaging in cyberattacks against open societies, including nascent democracies in eastern Europe. We have the URL used to spoof Podesta's account, which leads to Russia. And Guccifer 2.0 had a temporary problem with his VPN, which exposed his IP address inside of Russian intelligence. Not to mention the number of people associated with Trump who have lied about their contacts with Russian agents. Just so you know, the Russians rely upon you to help propagate their message.
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Zachriel
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2019-01-26 12:12
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Are you morally offended, Gasbot? I'd like to learn the extent of your sensibilities as to the egregious harms done here. Stand and deliver.
How exactly are you offended, you clownshow? Belt out your list of Thou Shalt Nots.
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Meh
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2019-01-26 12:19
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QUOTE: Multiple, independent experts have concluded that the Russians were the source of the hack. Source: Crowdstrike. There is no "proof" of a "hack" by the "Russians". Kiddiez be lying again.
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Zzzatemypuppy
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2019-01-26 12:41
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QUOTE: Just so you know, the Russians rely upon you to help propagate their message Fuck you kiddiez. Y'all are the ones lying here to help overthrow our duly elected President.
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Zzzatemypuppy
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2019-01-26 12:49
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Gasbot's moral choices are...interesting. A dead Seth Rich? A million torn apart unborn infants? Cartooned rightist actors caught in the process crime nets of unprecedented unending investigations targeting a legitimate POTUS? A secret pallet of cash to Iran? Russian uranium deals? The new first lady's jackets and heels? Running a foreign money pay-for-play scheme while SoS? "I'll have more time to talk after my next election, Comrade". Trump's McDonalds bill?
So many choices; so much to unravel. WE'LL MAKE THE IMPORTANT DISTINCTIONS AROUND HERE, RIGHTIST HUMAN PEOPLE PERSON. FOR WE ARE GASBOT.
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Meh
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2019-01-26 14:03
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An attack, if you want to call it that, the indictment makes clear that Stone as well as the Trump campaign did not participate in and either did not know who perpetrated it or was not sufficiently friendly with to ask for the results of the attack from them.
None of Stone's alleged crimes took place during the campaign. In fact, most of the alleged crimes by anyone associated with the Trump campaign happened during the investigation, not the campaign and the rest are things not associated with the campaign. The reason Mueller can charge anybody with lying about things like emails, texts, and even conversations with the Russian ambassador is because he had the texts, email, and transcripts of the conversations. It's safe to say that most of the defendants, and this certainly applies to Stone and Flynn, knew Mueller had that information so the it's more likely that most of those "lies" were inadvertent.
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mudbug
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2019-01-26 12:32
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mudbug: An attack, if you want to call it that, the indictment makes clear that Stone as well as the Trump campaign did not participate in and either did not know who perpetrated it or was not sufficiently friendly with to ask for the results of the attack from them.
That is not clear from the indictment, which purposefully excluded and redacted significant information. mudbug: He was charged with crap charges Lying under oath about matters under investigation, an investigation concerning foreign interference in the electoral process, and trying to tamper with a witness, are not a "crap charges", but go to the heart of the rule of law. How else to life the cloud over the oh-so-innocent Donald Trump, if people keep lying about what happened?
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Zachriel
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2019-01-26 12:39
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Lying does matter so why do you kiddiez continue to lie?
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Zzzatemypuppy
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2019-01-26 12:53
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Gasbot steadfastly refuses to identify the points on its moral compass. Conclusion? It has none. It prefers not to be held to account thereby. They are contradictory. The Gasbot is hypocritical.
Any I missed? Dismembering living human infants alive okay. Forgetting what you said to someone GO TO FEDERAL PRISON, FILTHY RIGHTIST!
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Meh
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2019-01-26 13:21
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Zachriel, you lied 9 times just in our last conversation.
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Rusty
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2019-01-26 17:03
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Make that 11.
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Rusty
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2019-01-28 10:32
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mudbug: A real threat to "our democracy!"
Not to mention Stone is alleged to have engaged in witness tampering. This undermines the rule of law, and indicates an underlying crime that he wants to cover up. We all look forward to your extensive, Google-enabled, multi-part troll-book on process crime and from there, how Stone came to seek all that illegal clandestine RUSSIA! cloak-and-dagger - that had a brazen boozer decide not to campaign in Wisconsin such that blah blah blah POTUS became Putin's lapdog - if Trump had already peddled it in and out the food service door at the White House while still in New York or whatever fevered fantasy you bots get all wet for.
And, all this prior to POTUS was taking more of an international hardline approach than any administration in half a century. Where's the goods, Gasbot? Stand and deliver. Or are you bots all fishing-while-trolling like everybody says you are?
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Meh
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2019-01-26 11:51
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Maybe! What is the context? Is it something in writing that we can look at or is it someone's claim. EVEN if he said that is it illegal??? I have angrily said "F___ YOU" but I did not mean I want to "F" them. Until we actually see the evidence and actually judge the believability of the witness we simply don't know what is true.
What we do know is this; There was no collusion. Roger Stone broke no laws. He was charged with crap charges BECAUSE he has the balls to speak out unafraid of Mueller and that pisses of the CZAR of phony investigations. This is a scare tactic not just aimed at Stone but at anyone else who dares challenge Mueller's honesty and integrity. I am absolutely opposed to lying under oath. If he did it (in the legal sense and not some trumped up sense) I say try him, convict him and punish him. However apply the laws equally or not at all. Everyone in Obama's cabinet did the same thing and worse. Lock them up!! GoneWithTheWind: Maybe! What is the context? Is it something in writing that we can look at or is it someone's claim.
We linked to the indictment, which shows the probable cause. GoneWithTheWind: EVEN if he said that is it illegal??? Yes, it's illegal to lie to investigators about matters under investigation. It's illegal to try to convince to a witness to not testify, or not testify truthfully. GoneWithTheWind: Until we actually see the evidence and actually judge the believability of the witness we simply don't know what is true. The indictment reviews the evidence, and includes transcripts of his text messages that contradict his sworn statements. GoneWithTheWind: There was no collusion. And you know this how? You can be certain that Mueller has a lot more evidence than is contained in the indictment. For instance, the indictment says that an unnamed "senior Trump Campaign official was directed to contact STONE about any additional releases." What senior Trump Campaign official? Who issued the direction? This was after the Trump campaign was briefed that the Russians were attempting to infiltrate the campaign. GoneWithTheWind: Roger Stone broke no laws. That has yet to be finally determined, but the grand jury found probable cause for an indictment, and the evidence already provided is more than sufficient to show Stone lied about matters under investigation. More contrived outrage from outright lies, hey kiddiez?
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Zzzatemypuppy
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2019-01-26 13:09
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Gasbot flings itself from pillar to post where the problem of proving negatives goes. Of course, this rampant partisanship and truck full of fallacies it(s) refers to as "the point", and like the very arrow of time itself, that moral arrow* always moves one direction.
So don't you be doing no "handwaving", Zzzatemypuppy. Matters of utmost importance always walk on the left side of the street because otherwise how would we know they were of utmost importance? Uh huh; ironclad. *permanently undefined, unaddressed, and as loose as the Gasbots' mom(s).
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Meh
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2019-01-26 15:37
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"it's illegal to lie to investigators about matters under investigation."
Not true! Surprise. In order to be guilty of perjury you must be intending to lie about a significant fact. "There was no collusion. And you know this how?" Because the DOJ and FBI and Dems in congress has been so dishonest/unprofessional throughout this entire fiasco that IF there had been any evidence or hint of collusion between Trump and the Russians it would have been leaked to co-conspirator media long ago. They got nothing! Now it is simply a matter of keeping this charade up until they can steal the next presidential election while simultaneously covering up the crimes of the last administration.
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GoneWithTheWind
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2019-01-26 16:43
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Funny you should bring that up, GWTW. It's all part of the plan.
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2019/01/26/speaker-pelosi-sets-impeachment-stage-with-tweet-what-does-putin-have-on-trump/
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Zzzatemypuppy
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2019-01-26 17:00
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GoneWithTheWind: In order to be guilty of perjury you must be intending to lie about a significant fact.
That's correct. We qualified our statement as lying about something under investigation. You could add the adjective relevant, but it was implicit. Lying about your age, for instance, may not be relevant in a murder trial. Lying about whether you wear eyeglasses when you are testifying as an eyewitness would probably be relevant. GoneWithTheWind: Because the DOJ and FBI and Dems in congress has been so dishonest/unprofessional throughout this entire fiasco that IF there had been any evidence or hint of collusion between Trump and the Russians it would have been leaked to co-conspirator media long ago. We learn something new whenever the Special Counsel makes a court filing. That shows that they have more information than is publicly known. GoneWithTheWind: Now it is simply a matter of keeping this charade up until they can steal the next presidential election while simultaneously covering up the crimes of the last administration. You do realize that top advisors to Trump are guilty of crimes, including lying about their contacts with the Russians?
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Zachriel
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2019-01-27 10:15
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Took you kiddiez this long to reply with that nonsense.
Weak arguments for a political witch hunt. Try harder.
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Zzzatemypuppy
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2019-01-27 11:14
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Have you even read the indictment?
Well someone has but he probably doesn't know what he's talking about, hey kiddiez? The fake news source now has fake instinct...all this from a single source. This is all political theatre from the Mueller team in order to deflect the breaking news of an FBI agent who used the Ohr constructed dossier to take to the FISA court and state that the information was from a source other than the Clinton campaign. The dems, dnc, and Clinton are better at laundering fake information than the cartels are at laundering money. Anything to keep the narrative going and keep the cover on dnc and Hillary corruption. Mueller is the useful idiot trying to keep the FBI and DOJ leadership out of the clink and keep the agencies intact.
indyjonesouthere: This is all political theatre from the Mueller team in order to deflect the breaking news of an FBI agent who used the Ohr constructed dossier to take to the FISA court and state that the information was from a source other than the Clinton campaign.
The FISA application clearly indicated that the dossier was an opposition political product, saying it was "likely looking for information that could be used to discredit {Trump’s} campaign.” Wonder why no one else got a look at that actual FISA application the kiddiez are quoting.
Also wondering why the judge who signed off on the warrant later recused himself from further applications. Wrong...the dossier created by Ohrs wife was trafficked to Ohr and Ohr then sent it to the FBI agent. They were represented as two different sources for the same info...two sources helps the fake narrative along to get the FISA warrant. The OTHER investigators can likely show that the FBI notes on the two sources do not match. Someone goes to jail for creating the fake FISA sources. Mueller had to kick up some dust to cover the lying liars.
The story broke yesterday and is covered by the blog "Gateway Pundit". Title....Update:Mueller and FBI arrest Stone because major FBI scandal out today. CNN didn't have an active instinct about the scandal.
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indyjonesouthere
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2019-01-26 15:33
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Zachriel
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2019-01-26 15:56
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Interesting how the kiddies can read the full application with all of those very interesting redactions and then interpret their meanings and imply guilt..
Quite a feat kiddiez.
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Zzzatemypuppy
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2019-01-26 16:04
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That's because the moral arrow always points one way, Zzzatemypuppy. Ask the Gasbot. See?
There's a reason more AR-15's showed up pre-dawn in Florida to apprehend a 66 year old citizen then did in Banghazi. See, even more proof!
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Meh
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2019-01-26 16:16
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You assume they told the truth...bad assumption. We will sure know when the "notes" are compared.
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indyjonesouthere
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2019-01-26 19:40
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indyjonesouthere: You assume they told the truth...bad assumption.
That's irrelevant to the question of whether they disclosed that the source of the dossier was politically biased. That the dossier is a political product is explicitly made in the FISA application.
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Zachriel
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2019-01-27 10:17
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QUOTE: “It is disturbing that the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance courts rubber-stamped the Carter Page spy warrants and held not one hearing on these extraordinary requests to spy on the Trump team,” said Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton. “Perhaps the court can now hold hearings on how justice was corrupted by material omissions that Hillary Clinton’s campaign, the DNC, a conflicted Bruce Ohr, a compromised Christopher Steele, and anti-Trumper Peter Strzok were all behind the ‘intelligence’ used to persuade the courts to approve the FISA warrants that targeted the Trump team" Go away kiddiez and lie no more
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Zzzatemypuppy
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2019-01-27 11:58
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To build all its Utopias Gasbot needs only misrepresent basically everything - somehow it can't find in its vast Google stores the simple exposition of plea bargaining and process crime. Or perpetual political persecution.
How odd that the ostensible ethics of the liberal 60 Minutes generation has been reversed like this, and all its reveals of various high level shenanigans like these forgotten. Now Gasbot is The Man.
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Meh
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2019-01-27 14:12
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Translated Gasbot: The evilnonprocesscrime of "collusion" - apart from inducing a corrupt imbibing Democrat to not campaign in Wisconsin, so great were its powers of evilnonprocesscrime - all comes down to where it comes from and which of the list of approved countries it involved. And of course, apart from having Stone digging around on Drumph's behest in 2016 for intel Putin had already personally tattooed on him back when he flipped for Russia what, a decade ago? Because that was all the rage for New York real estate tycoons, flipping for Putin was while taking snaps with the Clintons and whatnot.
You'd think a Gasbot would have been programmed in rudimentary logic first instead of not at all. I do see lots of systemic reverse-racism
Reverse-racism is a silly thing to call racism against white people. It's plain old racism. Yep should be sufficient to reply to you but site won't allow it. So as I say yep.
Re: 'Expose Christian Schools' Report. How about exposing Mosque madrasas? Oops, no backbone journalism.
The Kulaks Must Be Liquidated as a Class. Elizabeth Warren is not proposing a tax; she’s proposing asset forfeiture.
D'OH! In what alternate reality does TAX not equal asset forfeiture? Well... Most people think that a reasonable and fair tax is a necessary part of having a viable government. The problem occurs when the government gets too big and takes too much and/or applies the tax burden unfairly. Our federal tax system intentionally exempts about half the population from having to pay any tax. It is intentional because it is a lot easier to raise taxes on the upper middle class and rich if half of the voters don't pay any taxes AND if the government agrees to give them free stuff in return for their votes. It is simply a slow motion version of what Venezuela is doing faster.
Asset forfeiture is really something different. It is (as used in this example) taxing a person not on their income but on their wealth and thus making them cash out/sell some of their wealth just to meet the tax burden. It is far more nefarious than even a confiscatory income tax (90%) is. Anon: Our federal tax system intentionally exempts about half the population from having to pay any tax.
That is incorrect. About half the population is exempt from federal income taxes, but incur federal payroll taxes, federal excise taxes, and various state and local taxes. Anon didn't say remit, Gasbot. Anon said pay. Recalibrate your babbler.
Regarding Netherlands' hypocrisy, one need only look to peaceful Belgium's conduct in the then-Belgian Congo to see another refusal to recognize facts in history.
Immigration and Jihad. One follows the other. We made a terrible mistake in the 60's and opened up the flood gates. I'm sure a lot of good/decent people came here but a lot of very questionable people came as well. Islam doesn't simply preach jihad it demands it. Sure, a lot of Muslims aren't interested in Jihad but their religion is extremely tribal and when push comes to shove they will back jihad. They really have no other choice. Watch Sweden and a handful of other European countries as they deal with Muslim immigrants. Pay attention to the fact that the media won't/isn't allowed to report on the immigrant crimes/attacks AND the government will actively try to cover up the problems and even punish anyone who speaks about it. Eventually the numbers of Muslims and the degree of violence will precipitate some form of open warfare. It may be no-go zones, burned churches, throwing acid in the face of the Kafir, bombings, shootings, etc. Eventually it will be kill or be killed. That is in fact what every country in the world is facing today. Some have almost no Jihad problem, some have a small but growing problem, some countries have been taken over and the killing of Christians is going on right now (even though you will rarely read or hear about it. It is coming right here. This is no accident. The Democrats engineered this in the 60's. Oh, it wasn't intended then to bring in Jihadis it was more about bringing in people from countries they favored or even outright "selling" of citizenship. But it morphed over time because the Democrat party has morphed into a anti-constitutional, and anti-American party. Now they openly prefer immigrants over citizens and Muslims over Christians. This is war; the West is at war. The problem is that for the most part only the Muslims understand this. We in the West are still thinking that surely if we concede enough we can all get along. We can't. This won't end well.
Re: Unmarked Graves: When I was into genealogy, I never could find where my great-grandparents were buried. They both died before I was born so I don't know why I cared. Anyway, I visited several cemeteries in the area where he lived and the curator (is that the right word?) of the main cemetery in town looked up their names in a large book and found them. They were buried there but had no stones to mark their graves. I've always wondered about that, but there's nobody left alive to tell me the story. All I can think was that none of their four children had any money for markers when their parents died during the depression. It was a totally pointless gesture on my part since their branch of the family tree is dying off, but I had grave markers made up and placed for them.
I don't think it was pointless. They're your great grandparents. They're not really that distant.
snopercod: It was a totally pointless gesture on my part since their branch of the family tree is dying off, but I had grave markers made up and placed for them.
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