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Wednesday, January 16. 2019
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BY ROBERT FROST
Something there is that doesn't love a wall,
That sends the frozen-ground-swell under it,
And spills the upper boulders in the sun;
And makes gaps even two can pass abreast.
The work of hunters is another thing:
I have come after them and made repair
Where they have left not one stone on a stone,
But they would have the rabbit out of hiding,
To please the yelping dogs. The gaps I mean,
No one has seen them made or heard them made,
But at spring mending-time we find them there.
I let my neighbour know beyond the hill;
And on a day we meet to walk the line
And set the wall between us once again.
We keep the wall between us as we go.
To each the boulders that have fallen to each.
And some are loaves and some so nearly balls
We have to use a spell to make them balance:
"Stay where you are until our backs are turned!"
We wear our fingers rough with handling them.
Oh, just another kind of out-door game,
One on a side. It comes to little more:
There where it is we do not need the wall:
He is all pine and I am apple orchard.
My apple trees will never get across
And eat the cones under his pines, I tell him.
He only says, "Good fences make good neighbours."
Spring is the mischief in me, and I wonder
If I could put a notion in his head:
"Why do they make good neighbours? Isn't it
Where there are cows? But here there are no cows.
Before I built a wall I'd ask to know
What I was walling in or walling out,
And to whom I was like to give offence.
Something there is that doesn't love a wall,
That wants it down." I could say "Elves" to him,
But it's not elves exactly, and I'd rather
He said it for himself. I see him there
Bringing a stone grasped firmly by the top
In each hand, like an old-stone savage armed.
He moves in darkness as it seems to me,
Not of woods only and the shade of trees.
He will not go behind his father's saying,
And he likes having thought of it so well
He says again, "Good fences make good neighbours."
Yes, he believes the neighbor is repeating an idea mindlessly that doesn't really make sense. Cows were the point, so when there are no cows, the fence does not improve anything, except perhaps the looks of the place, in some eyes.
For example, the Canadians are good neighbors. It's a shame to have to need a wall on the other border, but we do. If the Mexican government was not so corrupt we might not.
Assistant Village Idiot: For example, the Canadians are good neighbors. It's a shame to have to need a wall on the other border, but we do. If the Mexican government was not so corrupt we might not.
Only six immigrants in terrorism database stopped by CBP at southern border from October to March ...
Overall, 41 people on the Terrorist Screening Database were encountered at the southern border from Oct 1, 2017 to March 31, 2018, but 35 of them were U.S. citizens or lawful permanent residents. Six were classified as non-U.S. persons. On the northern border, CBP stopped 91 people listed in the database, including 41 who were not American citizens or residents.
We simply do not know how many terrorist or potential terrorists sneak over our borders. It is quite intentional that we do not know because the Democrats benefit from loose borders and they prefer to possibly gain voters than they do to protect our country. There could well be 100 potential terrorists a day coming over our Southern border, we don't know because we don't make enough effort to stop it or monitor it.
Don't quite understand your comment"Frost meant that facetiously, not seriously." Please elaborate!
Frost meant that facetiously, not seriously.
I believe that Frost was dead serious. I was born and raised in New England, but my parents were from flyover country. Back in flyover country, both parents told me, neighbors were more likely to drop in on each other than New Englanders. This concurred with what I observed at my grandparents' houses. This would mean that New Englanders were more standoffish compared to the people they grew up with. IOW, New Englanders created bigger psychic fences between neighbors compared to those in flyover country.
Along with greater distancing in New England comes a greater tolerance for eccentricities, as you aren't exposed to them as much.
I am comparing rural New England to rural flyover country.
While New Englanders may be more standoffish, that doesn't mean they don't come together in an hour of need. My family was in a bad auto accident- a drunk collided with our car. My parents were in the hospital for a month. Before the accident, my father had commenced painting the house. Neighbors pitched in and finished painting the house. We had been in town less than three years. Good neighbors don't always remain behind fences in New England.
Old geology joke:
New England father and son are rebuilding a wall, with plenty of loose stone pried from the ground.
Son: "Dad, where did all these rocks come from?"
Father: "From the glaciers."
Son: "I don't see any glaciers. Where did they go?"
Father: "Back for more rocks."
It would be far easier to step over it. Those walls were taller when built; tall enough to discourage cattle from crossing. They are now sunken in the ground after a few centuries.
I don't have any cows so I have not had to rebuild a wall, but I have had to move/try to move rocks/boulders like the ones in the picture so I have lots of appreciation for our ancestors who built many a New England wall so the King could have his masts. On one mile long stretch to get to my cottage my father said that along the way he had to move poles in six gates/openings in stone walls and put them back in place. the pastures are gone but the remains of the wall remain.
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Fort Mountain State Park, GA.
Nobody knows who built the wall which stretches around the mountain.
If they had neighbors like we do that always try to encroach on their property they had to do it. Some people just can't understand that what is yours is not mine.
"RE-BUILD THE WALL"
"RE-BUILD THE WALL"
"RE-BUILD THE WALL"
I've pondered such walls as I've seen them many places in New England, Old England, Wales, Scotland, and Scandinavia.
To be honest, most seem to me to have been built to keep anything in, or anything out. Perhaps to slow the traverse of something other. Perhaps.
I suspect many are just a place to put the rocks that forever grow in fields when the tender of the field does not want the rocks. Put them over there, in a neat row, 'bout so high, this wide, and from there to yonder. As the years pass walls are build.
I do not think all walls were built as barriers. Some are just for semi-perminent storage of objects that a man can only move so far given the tools at hand.
My take is that the main purpose of stone walls is to provide a place to put rocks that farmers had cleared from the fields. As there seems to be an annual crop of rocks arising after each spring thaw, it is a never-ending process.
correction: "...seem to me to NOT have been built to..."
Of course the walls were built to mark property lines and to contain cattle. But the primary reason was simply to get the damned rocks out of the fields. The reason why these New England walls were carefully and beautifully built instead of simply being a pile of stones (as is often seen in the West) is because the early settlers were fastidious and hard working and it would have gone against their grain to build anything but a "thing of beauty".