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Wednesday, October 24. 2018
Vigorous debates about it in DC: "Shouting Match" Breaks Out Over Migrant Caravan As Trump Admin Debates Response
If you were Trump, what would you do about these two massive and growing immigration caravans headed to the Mexican border?
My inclination would be to threaten the heck out of Mexico for enabling this mess.
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My inclination would be to threaten the heck out of Mexico for enabling this mess.
Yes, indeed. I don't believe it would be difficult to stop it. A little tear gas would make for a quick retreat, I suspect.
Who is paying for their room and board on the way to the US?
Hard to believe that there is no Soro's money involved.
At this stage Soros has a lot more cash available than Venezuela.
Make a quick agreement ( cough cough ) with Mexico to set a boundary 100 miles south into Mexico. Deploy active Army units to intercept, with the Mexican Army, this and the subsequent caravans. Deploy just as we do all around the world.... but this time, we're actually defending CONUS.
It will be a year or so deployment because the deterrent must be resolute to everyone to the south, no more treks. Build the wall and get Congress to pass new immigration law removing the foot in the door crap. Then remove the Army units.
100~ miles south, Mexico is fairly easy to bottle up on roads / rail due to terrain. Just have to make the deal with Mexico. Trouble is, they are in a transition between Presidents, so tricky time. Cartels a issue also.
Tear gas and rubber bullets. Put our military and boarder patrols in black masks so they cannot be identified or vilified by our liberal press. There is only one way to stop this now and that is by some friendly force. Use rubber bullets to take out the leaders with their little neon green vests. Eisenhower used to put all the illegals in old troop ships and sail them down to somewhere south of Brazil and hold them off the coast in the ships hold for six weeks then off load them. Anyone that comes through the fence first should spend some time in the hold of an hold ship off the coast of somewhere else! This world must come to understand something: there is LIMITED CAPACITY. You don't want to have that conversation then stop gnashing your teeth and open the gates. What we have to do is stop sending money to these countries. We can do what the Dutch do: take the money, materiel, and professionals into those countries and boots on the ground help those people build a country they would not want to leave. Each of those countries has plenty of water, great soil, and wonderful growing climate. We have to be bold enough to send in our own militia to protect the hospitals, and schools we build down there. We have to put those people to work to successfully build a country. We also need to offer a reward for limiting your family size to two children. In cattle country we have a saying: "you breed em--you feed em." Sorry to sound so crude, but it is time to deal with the realities instead of all those media, DC/Hollywood stunt demonstrations worrying about elections. It is not about elections it is about the ability to finally admit when something has not been working and move on to a new idea.
Increase E-Verify enforment 10 fold, with real penalties for employers. May not stop this horde, but they’ll eventually have to trek back home.
Unclemax’s idea to temporarily move border sounds good.
Impose limits on wire transfers to Mexico to limit the money that can be sent there until Mexico begins doing something. Put a weekly cap on the amount.
We're talking about $22 billion a year.
This should have been done weeks ago, in fact the contingency should have been established after the first caravan, and it should have been made clear to Mexico and the other countries that their failure to stop caravans would result in such measures.
Now it's too late. We need to reduce remisas by 25% to 50%. The people of Mexico will be in the streets in days if we do that. The government will be forced to deal with the caravan, or face civil unrest.
"Impose limits on wire transfers to Mexico to limit the money that can be sent there until Mexico begins doing something. Put a weekly cap on the amount.
We're talking about $22 billion a year."
No need to set limits. Tax all of it with a special tax levy on personal foreign cash transfers to certain countries for transfers under $10,000. The Democrats will absolutely love it!
Impose a special graduated assessment on all taxpayers with incomes over $85,000 to pay for all expenses associated with the invading migrants. The assessment will be permanent and will be recalculated annually to pay for any additional invaders who make it here.
This will engage the creative processes of higher income earners, and a solution to the problem will be found, and acted upon in the Congress, in short order.
Clarify the 14th Amendment to exclude "anchor babies". Do it, Kavenaugh!
We could let this people into the U.S. But only U.S. citizens are allowed government (social welfare) benefits. I believe this change can be made by executive order.
(1) Start with the assertion that this war, an extralegal military action by Honduras.
(2) Use every available means to leverage cooperation from Mexico to turn these people back. Threaten to close the border to all trade and restrict bank transactions.
(3) Build a two-layer fence with a mine field in between. (Because solders will probably not fire on civilians.)
(4) Anyone that manages to get through will be arrested as an enemy combatant out of uniform. No asylum: relocation to Gitmo.
We're, as usual, going after the wrong people. File RICO charges against the organizations that organized and are funding the "Caravan". Take away their charitable tax status and freeze their funds for 90 days. Enforce E-Verify to limit those who hope to profit from low priced off-the-books labor. Don't just fine violators of E-Verify, as it's often cheaper to pay fines than to pay competitive wages, jail corporate managers and officers that look the other way. Freeze wire transfers to the countries involved for 90 days. Announce a permanent ban on green cards or citizenship for anyone caught entering the country for the next 6 months. Don't say we have no options.
Tear gas, rubber bullets, razor wire, attack dogs, rattle snakes, fire, land mines, men with bullwhips, harsh language, and anything else I could muster.
This is an all out invasion. Drastic times call for drastic measures.
Logistics, boy, logistics.
1. Target the trucks & buses they're using. (No one really thinks a crowd like this can move 25 miles a day, right?)
2. Target the logistics supply train (food and such).
...just take 'em out. Disable the bloody damn vehicles.
This can be done with spec-ops, black-ops, bribes, what the eff ever.
Then disable the funding sources for the recipients. Strike back.
This is an act of war. An invasion. Period.
Make the hapless bastards walk the entire distance on foot ...while living off the land in Mexico.
I guaran-damn-tee you the Mexican authorities will militarize their response at that point.
Support them via back channels.
Disable their transport- excellent.
Funding sources- harder to do, but should be pursued.
Call congress back into session. The goal:
1 To pass a law making it a felony to be in the U.S. illegally. The punishment is for the first offense immediate deportation with no legal recourse and to be forever banned from entering the country for any reason with no appeal. For second and subsequent offenses 1 year in jail and immediate deportation on release.
2. Pass a law making it a misdemeanor to employ, rent to or aid and abet the act of being in this country illegally. Penalty; a $1000. fine for each event.
3. A $1000 reward for information leading to the arrest and deportation of anyone in this country illegally.
4. Withdraw from any and all agreements and treaties to accept any refugees for any reason.
5. Make it illegal to provide any money, food, support, housing or any aid to abet the act of being in this country illegally to include any form of welfare or government aid.
Close the Southern border. Lock it up tight. Only Americans crossing into this country and foriegners crossing into Mexico can pass. Keep it closed until this problem is fixed.
Line the border with the 50,000 TSA agents who don't seem to be doing anything useful in the airports. Give them paint guns with tear gas projectiles, half a dozen sets of handcuffs and a radio to call for help when they arrest anyone crossing the border.
Here's what I expect to happen.
1 - they'll put children, then pregnant women in the front, then they'll mix the single women in with the rest.
2. A bunch of leftists will try to get in front of the armed troops and create chaos.
If we attempt to use non-lethal means, the press will be there to make it look as bad as possible.
What I'd do - assuming it's constitutional (and I'm not sure if it all is)
If Mexico lets them get within 150 miles of the border I'd cut off all aid, and expedite deportations. At 50 miles I'd start freezing accounts.
Assuming we have the stocks, I'd saturate the border with a constant barrage of cs gas when they're about a 1/2 mile away (maybe less - close enough to see it, far enough to not choke on it) Advantage - the kids will not walk into it, they'll have to be pushed or dragged - film that. The reporters won't stand there in the middle of the cloud - you really only have to worry about drones - and I'd just shoot them down.
You might have to evacuate some border towns, and I'm not sure how long you'd need to keep dropping cs gas but I suspect it would do the job. Any clear shot on a male - take it.
Too bad joint border control couldn't have been part of the new NAFTA.
If the Mexican government has lost control, I'd informed them that the US plans to establish a 50 mile deep security exclusion zone...on their side of the international border. I suspect they'd figure out a way to solve the problem.
I liked the idea put forward by some fellow who was, I think, from Alaska.
Set up a jobs fair at the border. Let all the businesses that claim they can't get workers come and set up a booth to interview the new arrivals.
If the migrant can qualify for employment then they get to apply for entry. The employer becomes responsible for them while they are waiting for entry approval. If they migrant quits or is fired, back they go, no appeals.
If no one picks you up for a job, no entry to the USA.
Let me add to that. Any employer hiring a non-citizen should have to pay the costs of that hire. They should pay the unemployment benefits of one person, the cost of health care for their foreign employee and their family, school costs, welfare, etc. And if the non citizen employee commits a crime the employer should pay the damages for that act.
If every poor person from a country with a bad government on this side of the world wants to be American, then we'll just have to make all their homelands into territories of America. Otherwise they're all moving here and we can't stop them.
Why don't we just unitlaterally declare that the whole world is America, and all countries now have to follow our laws and award benefits as required by them?
Anyone who shows up at the border and wants asylum or whatever gets turned away. "You're already IN America dumbass. Just go to city hall and tell them you want your gibs. This particular province of America is full. We no longer accept new applicants here."