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Wednesday, September 26. 2018Wednesday morning linksBali Wants a Better Class of Tourist Americans Spent More on Taxes Than on Food, Clothing Combined in 2017 EU Justice Commissioner Says Media Must Be Regulated to Prevent 'Hate' Euroland heads towards the dark side again Big Labor Drops Big Dollars on Dems - 12 of the 25 highest outside spenders on midterms are labor groups How An Anonymous Accusation Derailed My Life VDH: We Are Living Nineteen Eighty-Four 10 Red Flags About Sexual Assault Claims, From An Employment Lawyer To this day, not one Democrat has spoken out against this monstrous plan to destroy a fine man who has led an impeccable life. Not one. Grassley Sends Scathing Letter to Feinstein – Refuses to Postpone Thursday’s Hearing – Warns About False Statements Made to Congress This is bullshit. Stop fooling around and take the vote. The assault on Kavanaugh is proving Trump voters right Ruth Bader Ginsburg Calls Kavanaugh Hearings a ‘Highly Partisan Show’ What South Korea Had to Give Up to Secure a Trade Deal With Trump Trackbacks
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QUOTE: "Euroland heads towards the dark side again" Really? With the dramas of social media arbitrary banishment and the Salem Confirmation Trials currently underway, we seem to be headed in a similar direction, except we're in the passing lane. 'The dark night of fascism is always descending in the United States and yet lands only in Europe.'
We'll see! Dr. Charles P. McDowell, Supervisory Special Agent, Air Force Office of Special investigations, investigated 556 cases of alleged rape, and 27 percent of the women eventually admitted they had lied. Other cases which were questionable were reviewed by three independent investigators. They concluded that 60 percent of the original rape allegations were false.
From the link: "Someone I know tweeted that it was ironic that supposedly liberal guys keep saying they believe women, but they don’t believe the women who accused them." There's a deranged attitude out there right now about what it believes to "believe" someone. Should a guy "believe" what someone else says he did, if he didn't do it? Does the word even mean anything about reality any more, or is it a mere genuflection to the aggrieved group du jour?
QUOTE: To this day, not one Democrat has spoken out against this monstrous plan to destroy a fine man who has led an impeccable life. Not one. It's doubtful a single accusation, lacking substantial supporting evidence, would destroy someone's reputation. But when a pattern emerges, then it may lead to a stronger conclusion. Speaking of repeating themes, don't you wish we had an Electoral College for confirming candidates to the Supreme Court? Kind of looks like Mob Rule is a strong preference for governing styles on Planet Z.
Aggie: Speaking of repeating themes, don't you wish we had an Electoral College for confirming candidates to the Supreme Court?
Not sure that would be a better option. The traditional method of consensus candidates seemed to work best. The president would send a list to the Senate, who would work together across party lines and with the White House to weed out those candidates who were extreme or extremely partisan, while giving the President due deference. When it came time to nominate and vote, there was nearly always universal agreement. It's boring, though, and might not garner the high ratings expected in the modern media environment. It's not supposed to work like that. It's advice and consent. The President gets to appoint. Up until Ted Kennedy and Judge Bork's hearing... the Senate did just that. Barring anything crazy, they'd consent to the wishes of the elected President. Hell, the GOP still does this! It's the Democrats who have politicized this process to the extreme... to a clown show.
They have come up with this notion that they get to play politics with GOP nominees but all of their nominees are given passes. It's pathetic. The system, as set up works fine. It's been allowed to be perverted. Normally the press would be a arbiter and a critic of such crap, but they are full-on saboteurs right along with the Democrats, providing cover and withholding any criticism. UncleMax: It's advice and consent.
Advice, recommendation regarding a decision or course of conduct : counsel. UncleMax: Up until Ted Kennedy and Judge Bork's hearing... the Senate did just that. Bork had views that were roundly rejected by most Americans, including defending Jim Crow-era poll taxes, arguing the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was unconstitutional, and saying people had no right to privacy. Furthermore, Bork acted as a partisan during Watergate. UncleMax: They have come up with this notion that they get to play politics with GOP nominees but all of their nominees are given passes. What? Obama's nominee, Merrick Garland, wasn't even given a hearing.
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Zachriel
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2018-09-26 12:25
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QUOTE: Zzzz: What? Obama's nominee, Merrick Garland, wasn't even given a hearing. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/joe-biden-in-1992-no-nominations-to-the-supreme-court-in-an-election-year/2016/02/22/ea8cde5a-d9b1-11e5-925f-1d10062cc82d_story.html?utm_term=.994811ee841a QUOTE: Embedded in the roughly 20,000 words he delivered on the Senate floor that day were rebuttals to virtually every point Democrats have brought forth in the past week to argue for the consideration of Obama’s nominee. Once again, kiddiez, the precedent was set by the dems as y'all already knew...
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Zzzzatemypuppies
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2018-09-26 16:19
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Zzzzatemypuppies: the precedent was set by the dems
Uh, no. 1. A single Senator's remarks about a hypothetical don't constitute a precedent. 2. Biden made his remarks in June. The vacancy during the Obama Administration occurred in February. 3. Biden did not say he would not consider the President's selection, but said "if the president consults and cooperates with the Senate or moderates his selections, then his nominees may enjoy my support". 4. No vacancies occurred in the year Biden made his remarks, so again, no precedent was set. "Deciding in advance simply to turn your back before the president even names a nominee is not an option the Constitution leaves open. It's a plain abdication from the Senate's duty. ... [It's] never occurred before in our history." — Senator Joe Biden
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Zachriel
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2018-09-26 16:38
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Biden was the Chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee not just a "single" Senator and his speech has become known as the Biden Rule.
All the rest is some backtracking horseshit Biden threw in there to cover his ass while VP under Obama. QUOTE: Embedded in the roughly 20,000 words he delivered on the Senate floor that day were rebuttals to virtually every point Democrats have brought forth in the past week to argue for the consideration of Obama’s nominee. .
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Zzzzatemypuppies
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2018-09-26 17:20
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Zzzzatemypuppies: his speech has become known as the Biden Rule.
We understand that you think if you repeated something over and over again, it comes true.
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Zachriel
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2018-09-27 09:07
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No democrat has had anything positive to say about Judge Kavanaugh. Well that is not surprising. Without the courts, and voter fraud, where would they be? The Republicans, are treating this as just another skirmish, a minor battle in the war for the soul of America. This is more like Gettysburg, Little Round Top. We’re running low on ammunition, let’s charge down the hill at the sumsofbitches! Hold the line. Where’s our modern day Chamberlain?
B. Hammer: No democrat has had anything positive to say about Judge Kavanaugh.
Well, his history is one of partisan hypocrisy. Let's face it. Kavanaugh has screwed up.
Hypothetically, had he driven off the road at, say (off the top of my head), somewhere like Chappaquiddick, and wandered off leaving Ford to drown in the car, why, I'm sure he'd be guaranteed to gain the sympathy, support and understanding of Democrats for all his pains and tribulations! Or, even better, had Ford been an intern at his law office, and he'd engaged in a little heavy petting with her while she was wearing, say, a sexy blue dress, just by stating "It depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is", he would have got all the feminists onside! JJM: Hypothetically ...
Those were elective offices with limited terms. That's quite different than a lifetime appointment to the judiciary. So the Democrats who are so supportive of women don't care about the women who were killed, brutalized, raped so much because the term of the Democrat politician who abused those women wasn't a life term. Democrats don't care a bit about women (or blacks, gays, etc.) any more than how they can be used politically. If they were serious about it, they would not allow people who abused women to associate with them much less lionize them and name them the deputy chair of the DNC.
This sort of thing doesn't seem to be limited to Democrat politicians but to Democrats in general. A recent poll showed a tiny minority of Democrats in Minnesota believed Ellison's accuser even though she produced medical evidence of his abuse. So while Democrats are willing to believe a woman who claims a Republican abused her with no evidence, there don't seem to be any Democrats who believe or care about the women who are abused by Democrats. mudbug: So the Democrats who are so supportive of women don't care about the women who were killed, brutalized, raped so much because the term of the Democrat politician who abused those women wasn't a life term.
What is means is that the politicians have to face the voters on a regular basis. There is political accountability along with legal accountability. mudbug: Democrats don't care a bit about women (or blacks, gays, etc.) That makes little sense as women and minorities comprise much of the Democratic Party. mudbug: If they were serious about it, they would not allow people who abused women to associate with them much less lionize them and name them the deputy chair of the DNC. If you mean Keith Ellison, he was named deputy before any allegations about his conduct were made. There is only one incident alleged, so there is no apparent pattern. The investigation is ongoing. mudbug: A recent poll showed a tiny minority of Democrats in Minnesota believed Ellison's accuser even though she produced medical evidence of his abuse. The medical record showed no signs of physical abuse. mudbug: So while Democrats are willing to believe a woman who claims a Republican abused her with no evidence ... While a single allegation may warrant investigation, it's far more concerning when a pattern of behavior can be shown.
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Zachriel
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2018-09-26 14:58
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"If you mean Keith Ellison, ....There is only one incident alleged"
Wrong. "Monahan’s August allegations were the second time Ellison had been publicly accused of domestic violence. Another woman, Amy Louise Alexander, said in 2006 that Ellison verbally abused her while they were having an affair. She also said he grabbed and pushed her during an argument."
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Hank_M
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2018-09-26 15:33
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Pattern of behavior shown.
Oh my, kiddiez. Let the tap dancing begin...
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Zzzzatemypuppies
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2018-09-26 15:57
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Hank_M: Another woman, Amy Louise Alexander, said in 2006 that Ellison verbally abused her while they were having an affair. She also said he grabbed and pushed her during an argument.
That incident went to court where Ellison got a restraining order.
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Zachriel
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2018-09-26 16:41
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Z: What is means is that the politicians have to face the voters on a regular basis. There is political accountability along with legal accountability.
Z: That makes little sense as women and minorities comprise much of the Democratic Party. This means nothing. Blacks in inner cities overwhelmingly vote for Democrats regardless of their promises to improve their lives yet their lives continue to get worse (e.g. Detroit, Chicago, Baltimore). Hillary Clinton and other Democrat operatives trashed women as trailer park trash and crazy and they knew the truth. When the truth became known, neither Hillary nor any of those operatives (e.g. Stephanopoulos) paid any political price from fellow Democrats. Political accountability is a nice idea but it doesn't really work as well as we all would like. Z: If you mean Keith Ellison, he was named deputy before any allegations about his conduct were made. There is only one incident alleged, so there is no apparent pattern. The investigation is ongoing. I'm going to go out on a limb and say that we're unlikely to hear the results of any DNC investigation. Z: The medical record showed no signs of physical abuse. She told someone about her abuse around the time of the abuse as opposed to the current Democrat accusers who kept quiet for thirty years. So Democrats believe them in spite of evidence to the contrary but they don't believe Karen Monahan. She has also stated that the Democrats have isolated and threatened her. Z: While a single allegation may warrant investigation, it's far more concerning when a pattern of behavior can be shown. Yeah, like the pattern of sexual abuse from Clinton, Dodd, several Kennedys, Inouye, et al. Democrats still love them all. The political landscape is littered with women who are victims of sexual or other abuse by Democrats who are still revered, or still in office. For some reason, they never seem to get primaried out.
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mudbug
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2018-09-26 16:36
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mudbug: This means nothing. Blacks in inner cities overwhelmingly vote for Democrats regardless of their promises to improve their lives yet their lives continue to get worse
This means nothing. Whites in rural and rust belt areas often vote for Republicans regardless of whether their situation improves as a consequence. You are saying that "blacks" make poor political decisions, unlike, say, you and your ilk. It's a poor form of argument to claim that everyone who disagrees with you is duped. mudbug: I'm going to go out on a limb and say that we're unlikely to hear the results of any DNC investigation. In fact, they hired an outside investigator, and the report is due in a few days. mudbug: So Democrats believe them in spite of evidence to the contrary but they don't believe Karen Monahan. She deserves to be heard. She is supposed to have video of the incident, but it's never been made public.
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Zachriel
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2018-09-26 16:50
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"Those were elective offices with limited terms. That's quite different than a lifetime appointment to the judiciary."
So a Democrat senator can leave a young woman to drown in his car and a Democrat president can philander with a White House intern but that's fine, because these are just elective offices with limited terms. I see. Well, of course! A Senator is a 6 year term, so they are allowed 1 negligent homicide. A President is a 4 year term, so that's only good for 1 philander. The Representatives, poor saps, have it rough. They only get a 2 year term, so they are only allowed 2/3 of a philander. Don't you know the rules??
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Aggie
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2018-09-26 18:32
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JJM: So a Democrat senator can leave a young woman to drown in his car and a Democrat president can philander with a White House intern but that's fine, because these are just elective offices with limited terms.
No one said it was "fine". Rather, the alleged perpetrators are subject to legal as well as political accountability.
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Zachriel
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2018-09-27 08:50
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The trick, besides having a "D" by your name, is that you can do just about anything as long as you are properly empathetic afterwards. Denying accusations, however, demonstrates a failure of empathy. How do you think she FEELS, having you contradict her version of the truth? Aren't her feelz more important than your silly job or reputation?
How I hope this dumpster fire will get people to polls for the midterms. Midterms are traditionally brutal to the party in power, but it would be nice if 2018 went down in history as a turning point, just as 2016 did. The squishy middle needs to get fired up. B. Hammer: No democrat has had anything positive to say about Judge Kavanaugh.
Speaking of patterns. Yep, patterns of uncorroborated and salacious accusations.
Kinda like what the Dems always do when they have nothing else to lose. N.B. "Steele Dossier", Anita Hill. So I am supposed to believe that this babe went to multiple drunken rape parties? Not one party mind you, but five or more. She didn't stop going after the first time, she went multiple times. And she was nineteen at the time. Going to 15 years old parties? How come no one else in this High School can remember anything about these wild parties, where all these girls are getting raped. How come the FBI, after investigating Kavanaugh multiple time, never heard anything about the wild parties? I know for sure in my High School this would have been know the very next day, after the very first one. Was she the one supplying the booze and the drugs? How long will it be before we find out her deep connections to the radical insane 3rd way feminists? Once her story is completely destroyed, like the other two have been, when will the democrats trot out another victim. How come it is, that Kavanaugh only rapes insane lefty feminists?
B. Hammer: How come no one else in this High School can remember anything about these wild parties ...
And you know this how? Are you really this dense? Read the very next sentence, after the one you quoted, and answer that question. Maybe you don’t understand how FBI background investigations work?
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B. Hammer
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2018-09-26 15:47
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That none of the five investigations had even a hint of stuff like this (and if there'd been a hint of it, they'd have chased after it like hounds on the hunt) adds even more to my thinking there's not a damn thing to these accusations.
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JLawson
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2018-09-26 16:03
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B. Hammer: How come the FBI, after investigating Kavanaugh multiple time, never heard anything about the wild parties?
Uh, because no one came forward before now. Women who have been abused often keep the abuse secret, even from their families.
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Zachriel
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2018-09-26 16:54
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Uh no, because their accusations are not credible and have not been corroborated by a single person.
Not one, nada, zilch. You're reaching, kiddiez.
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Zzzzatemypuppies
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2018-09-26 17:35
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Zzzzatemypuppies: because their accusations are not credible and have not been corroborated by a single person.
A single uncorroborated allegation may not be sufficient, but when a pattern of behavior can be established, then the guilt can become more evident.
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Zachriel
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2018-09-27 08:58
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Believe we were discussing Kavanaugh not Bill Cosby.
But that just reveals your basic dishonesty and doesn't disprove the fact that incredulous accusations without any corroboration against Kavanaugh lack merit.
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Zzzzatemypuppies
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2018-09-27 10:35
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Zzzzatemypuppies: Believe we were discussing Kavanaugh not Bill Cosby.
It's an example. Cosby's original trial resulted in a hung jury, because the jury apparently wouldn't convict based on a single allegation without substantial corroborative evidence. In the second trail, the courts allowed other alleged victims to testify. This painted a pattern of behavior that lent support to the criminal allegation, led to conviction, and a determination by the court that Cosby was a "sexually violent predator". Zzzzatemypuppies: doesn't disprove the fact that incredulous accusations without any corroboration Indeed. As we said, a single uncorroborated allegation is generally not sufficient to constitute proof beyond reasonable doubt, though it may reach the reasonable suspicion standard warranting an investigation.
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Zachriel
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2018-09-27 11:15
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Deflecting to Cosby proves you kiddiez have lost the debate concerning Kavanaugh.
The rest is just nonsense y'all made up..
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Zzzzatemypuppies
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2018-09-27 15:58
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Ignoring the argument doesn't make it go away. Ignoring even when we agree with you does nothing to advance the discussion.
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Zachriel
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2018-09-28 10:16
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"Ignoring the argument doesn't make it go away. Ignoring even when we agree with you does nothing to advance the discussion."
Writing things like "Obviously "your ilk" doesn't include urban blacks who, according to you, have no agency in their own political decisions." does nothing to advance the discussion either. How many of you are there? You seem to have more personalities than Sybil.
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Hank_M
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2018-09-28 10:45
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Hank_M: "Obviously "your ilk" doesn't include urban blacks who, according to you, have no agency in their own political decisions." does nothing to advance the discussion either.
Please read it again. A clarification was asked, so we narrowed the class down accordingly — and accurately.
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Zachriel
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2018-09-28 10:55
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I'll ask again, are you really this dense, or have you not been through High School yet? Absolutely no way, no how, do parties like what has been described happen with no one, but the party goers, talking about it. There is no way that The FBI can dig through Judge Kanaugh's history, six separate times, and not talk to people that knew about this kind of party animal, as described, while he was in High School.
Patti Davis! hahahahahaaaa You kids.
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B. Hammer
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2018-09-26 17:50
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"Bali Wants a Better Class of Tourist"
We want all your money but it has to be on our terms. Yeah, sure, that'll work. I flew all over the western hemisphere in the '50s-'60s, with bunches of layovers in places large and small in countries large and small. I always found that taking in the sights on my own while keeping my wallet firmly in my pocket, and smiling graciously and nodding approvingly at whatever the locals went on about, whether I understood them or not, served me well.
My oldest son and his family are doing a week in Bali this coming summer so I looked at it on Google Earth. After 20 minutes of looking, I'm puzzled how they get anyone to go there. It looks like an island slum to me.
I hope the South Koreans relaxed their 50% tariff on shoes.
When I lived there a couple of years ago I wanted to order a pair of Allen-Edmonds boots from Wisconsin. To my surprise, the cost included 50% for the South Korean government. I declined and bought a pair of custom Korean-made boots for the same pre-tax price. But it was like being forced to buy a low-end Kia for the same price as a new Lincoln-Continental. I think we should allow the leaders of the feminist movement to form a third political party. They could/should call it the "Women's Political Army". You know just like the "Red Army".
This way they could lodge phony assault charges against any white man and get a tax deduction for doing it! ;-) To this day, not one Democrat has spoken out against this monstrous plan to destroy a fine man who has led an impeccable life. Not one.
-------------------------------------- For some of us who were watching the 2012 Democrat National Convention, we know who controls the Democrat Party. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtKd005fxnM Jim: For some of us who were watching the 2012 Democrat National Convention, we know who controls the Democrat Party. {Cock Crows as Dems Deny God Three Times}
So in your analogy, the Democratic Party is the apostle Peter. QUOTE: And I also say to you that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build My church; and the gates of Hades shall not overpower it. — Matthew 16:18 Meanwhile, we have a good idea who controls the Republican Party. Z: This means nothing. Whites in rural and rust belt areas often vote for Republicans regardless of whether their situation improves as a consequence. You are saying that "blacks" make poor political decisions, unlike, say, you and your ilk. It's a poor form of argument to claim that everyone who disagrees with you is duped.
No Republican candidate makes a promise that he'll better the lives of whites unlike Democrat candidates who claim to benefit blacks. Yes, there are pockets of deep poverty like the Appalachia, but that's the entire area for several reasons such as the difficulty in hosting industries. Inner cities do not have that problem. I'm not sure what you mean by my "ilk." Z: In fact, they hired an outside investigator, and the report is due in a few days. We'll see but they don't have a good track record with "outside investigators" (see Code Strike). Z: She deserves to be heard. She is supposed to have video of the incident, but it's never been made public. Yes she does. I hope she releases that video if it exists. mudbug: No Republican candidate makes a promise that he'll better the lives of whites
Of course they do. The dog whistle isn't a new strategy. mudbug: Yes, there are pockets of deep poverty like the Appalachia, but that's the entire area for several reasons such as the difficulty in hosting industries. Sure, as well as regions where old industries have died. mudbug: We'll see but they don't have a good track record with "outside investigators" (see Code Strike). Code Strike? mudbug: I hope she releases that video if it exists. Why hasn't she? Normally, that would have been the first thing released. mudbug: I'm not sure what you mean by my "ilk."
Obviously "your ilk" doesn't include urban blacks who, according to you, have no agency in their own political decisions. Nope, just quoting the Wapo.
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