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Tuesday, September 18. 2018

‘No evidence’ high levels of ‘bad’ cholesterol cause heart disease, doctors claim

That is not new news

EATING CHEESE AND BUTTER EVERY DAY LINKED TO LIVING LONGER

Then I will live forever

No Effect of Aspirin on Disability-free Survival in the Healthy Elderly

Viewing aging as a disease

The Real Reason You Should Never Drink Champagne From a Plastic Cup

In a news release issued Sunday, Cape Cod National Seashore confirmed that Wellfleet’s beaches – including the Newcomb Hollow Beach, where Medici was attacked – were “closed to swimming,” but surfers and paddleboarders were spotted in the water the same day.

With too much caution there is no living

EU approves controversial Copyright Directive, including internet ‘link tax’ and ‘upload filter’

NY Times: Nature Is Roaring And Washington Is Ignoring Or Something

Bernie Sanders Bashes America “We Just Starve Little Children, We Go Bomb Houses”

If there are two types of lawyers who can't tell the truth, it's immigration attorneys and lawyers for terrorists.

Lisa Page bombshell: FBI couldn’t prove Trump-Russia collusion before Mueller appointment

China is inventing a whole new way to oppress a people

Building an empire

Mexico trailer storing corpses angers residents

Selfish NIMBYs

London Mayor Calls For Second EU Referendum: “The People Must Get A Final Say”

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Nah, the best way to drink champagne is out of a sweaty racing boot: http://media.gettyimages.com/photos/red-bull-racings-australian-driver-daniel-ricciardo-drinks-champagne-picture-id584822300?s=612x612

It's the celebration, not the drink that counts.

#1 Another guy named Dan on 2018-09-18 07:49 (Reply)

I like the way your mind works, Dan.

#1.1 jma on 2018-09-18 14:46 (Reply)

So China is "oppressing" muslims,

But South Africa is not killing whites.

Um, right.

England needs a new Oliver Cromwell.

Bernie Sanders is a liar. Why doesn't anyone just say that?

#2 DrTorch on 2018-09-18 08:36 (Reply)

QUOTE:

Lisa Page bombshell: FBI couldn’t prove Trump-Russia collusion before Mueller appointment

If they already had proof, they wouldn't need an investigation. There was probable cause concerning some individuals associated with the campaign, and when they started to ask questions, people lied about their contacts with Russian agents.

QUOTE:

Which raises the question: If there was no concrete evidence of collusion, why did we need a special counsel?

Putting the cart before the horse.

QUOTE:

Strzok said he wasn’t certain there was a “broad, coordinated effort” to hijack the election and that the evidence of Trump campaign aides talking about getting dirt on Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton from Russians might have been just a “bunch of opportunists” talking to heighten their importance.

Quite possibly true, at least at that time. However, it wouldn't be the first time braggarts have brought about an investigation. Someone evading taxes certainly wouldn't wear a $15k ostrich skin jacket. No way!

QUOTE:

There was no fault to the FBI checking whether Trump {campaign} was compromised by Russia; that is a classic counterintelligence responsibility.

So there you are.

Mueller was charged to investigate "any links and/or coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump" and "is authorized to prosecute federal crimes arising from the investigation of these matters."

#2.1 Zachriel on 2018-09-18 10:50 (Reply)

So tell us once again, kiddiez, what supposed crimes were committed by the President or by his son, Trump, Jr.?

I know you won't tell us but the question had to be asked.

😂😂😂

#2.1.1 Zzzzatemypuppies on 2018-09-18 12:56 (Reply)

There was no evidence only a narrative in an attempt to escape nooses, nooses, nooses.

#2.1.1.1 indyjonesouthere on 2018-09-18 13:35 (Reply)

But, but the kiddiez already admitted that there was probable cause for possible links to a hostile foreign power . ..

*Just trying to get all of their qualifiers in there in case they respond.

😂😂😂

#2.1.1.1.1 Zzzzatemypuppies on 2018-09-18 13:48 (Reply)

Zzzzatemypuppies: what supposed crimes were committed by the President or by his son, Trump, Jr.?

We didn't say they committed a crime. Rather, we pointed out that the courts found probable cause that individuals with the Trump campaign worked clandestinely with the Russian government. We also know that individuals within the Trump campaign lied about their contacts with Russian agents. We also know that Trump Jr. said he would love to accept help for the campaign from the Russian government. That is more than sufficient to justify an investigation.

#2.1.1.2 Zachriel on 2018-09-18 17:48 (Reply)

Looking past your tap dancing bullshit, everyone can see what y'all have written in the past, sooo once again what crimes were committed by Trump and/or Trump, Jr.? As y'all stated before that Jr. said he would love to accept "help" from some Russian and that was "illegal on its face". WELL?
Another time y'all stated Trump was colluding with Putin because of some joke about releasing the 30,000 emails Hillary illegally destroyed. WELL?
There's many more examples that everyone has read here but you kiddiez have become more and more disingenuous with all y'alls backtracking claiming "evidence" and "facts" that were anything but "serious" enough to investigate.. WELL?
And now with Trump finally declassifying relevant FBI and DOJ docs, that part about a "court finding" probable cause because some official made it up, the more irrelevant to your pitiful arguments become. WELL, WELL, WELL?

Y'all lost, kiddiez, how does that feel? 😂😂😂

#2.1.1.2.1 Zzzzatemypuppies on 2018-09-18 20:03 (Reply)

Zzzzatemypuppies: As y'all stated before that Jr. said he would love to accept "help" from some Russian and that was "illegal on its face".

That is correct. "On its face", or prima facie, literally "first look", means the evidence generally constitutes probable cause, but may still be contradicted by other evidence.

Zzzzatemypuppies: Another time y'all stated Trump was colluding with Putin because of some joke about releasing the 30,000 emails Hillary illegally destroyed. WELL?

It's prima facie evidence of collusion.

#2.1.1.2.1.1 Zachriel on 2018-09-19 08:51 (Reply)

More bullshit.
Thanks for the confirmation, kiddiez.
😂😂😂

#2.1.1.2.1.1.1 Zzzzatemypuppies on 2018-09-19 09:59 (Reply)

Prima facie (/ˈpraɪmə ˈfeɪʃii, -ʃə, -ʃiː/; from Latin prīmā faciē) is a Latin expression meaning on its first encounter or at first sight. The literal translation would be "at first face" or "at first appearance", from the feminine forms of primus ("first") and facies ("face"), both in the ablative case. In modern, colloquial and conversational English, a common translation would be "on the face of it".

#2.1.1.2.1.1.1.1 Zachriel on 2018-09-19 10:32 (Reply)

Prima Facie. Literally means "at first sight" or "on the face of it." "Prima facie evidence" is evidence that is good and sufficient on its face. A plaintiff makes out a "prima facie case" when he or she presents "prima facie evidence," which means that the plaintiff is permitted to prevail on that evidence alone, unless the defendant can put forth sufficient evidence to overcome it.

#2.1.1.2.1.1.1.2 Zachriel on 2018-09-19 10:34 (Reply)

Trollbot will now deflect by doubling down on the definition instead of grasping the obvious and being held to account for abusing it.

#2.1.1.2.1.1.1.3 It's just a postmodernist arguetrollbot on 2018-09-19 10:55 (Reply)

It's just a postmodernist arguetrollbot: doubling down on the definition

Not sure how to help you, Trollbot, if you refuse to understand basic terminology, even after the definition was provided.

Trump Jr. said he would "love" for help with the campaign from the Russian government. This is illegal on its face. While [i]prima facie[/b] evidence constitutes probable cause, an investigation is warranted to determine whether a crime was committed beyond reasonable doubt.

#2.1.1.2.1.1.1.3.1 Zachriel on 2018-09-19 11:18 (Reply)

You keep repeating this. "Trump Jr. said he would "love" for help with the campaign from the Russian government."

Trump Jr was offered "some official documents and information that would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia..."

Trump Jr's reply was "if it's what you say I love it.."

To phrase this as Jr wanting help with the campaign is disingenuous at best, and dishonest at worst.
I'm sure you'll reply with a pithy reply or another stupid link.

Repeat it all you want. Repeat it every day, Won't change a thing. it's simply not true and there remains no evidence to support it.

#2.1.1.2.1.1.1.3.1.1 Hank_M (Link) on 2018-09-19 11:43 (Reply)

Hank_M: Trump Jr was offered "some official documents and information that would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia..."

Keep reading. "This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government's support for Mr. Trump."

So Trump Jr. was told it was support from a foreign government hostile to the U.S.

#2.1.1.2.1.1.1.3.1.1.1 Zachriel on 2018-09-19 17:45 (Reply)

"So Trump Jr. was told it was support from a foreign government hostile to the U.S"

Wrong. Hillary's reset button reset relations with the Soviet Union.

Regardless, it also doesn't change the fact that your
statement .... "Trump Jr. said he would "love" for help with the campaign from the Russian government." is also wrong.

#2.1.1.2.1.1.1.3.1.1.1.1 Hank_M (Link) on 2018-09-20 07:23 (Reply)

Hank_M: Wrong. Hillary's reset button reset relations with the Soviet Union.

Clinton tried to draw Russian as a lawful member of the community of nations, but it didn't work, and it was clear at the time, it hadn't work.

Russia had annexed Crimea against international law, and then invaded eastern Ukraine. They continued to imprison and murder dissidents, including people in other countries. They had already been identified as engaging in cyberwarfare against open democratic societies, including the hacking attack on the DNC.

Russia was a known power hostile to the U.S., and Trump Jr. said he would "love" to have help with the campaign from the Russian government, which was known to have hacked his political opponent's email system. We know this because he said so.

#2.1.1.2.1.1.1.3.1.1.1.1.1 Zachriel on 2018-09-20 08:24 (Reply)

QUOTE:

As the Russians gradually assumed control of Uranium One in three separate transactions from 2009 to 2013, Canadian records show, a flow of cash made its way to the Clinton Foundation. Uranium One’s chairman used his family foundation to make four donations totaling $2.35 million. Those contributions were not publicly disclosed by the Clintons, despite an agreement Mrs. Clinton had struck with the Obama White House to publicly identify all donors. Other people with ties to the company made donations as well.

And shortly after the Russians announced their intention to acquire a majority stake in Uranium One, Mr. Clinton received $500,000 for a Moscow speech from a Russian investment bank with links to the Kremlin that was promoting Uranium One stock.

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/us/cash-flowed-to-clinton-foundation-as-russians-pressed-for-control-of-uranium-company.html

#2.1.1.2.1.1.1.3.1.2 "Probably cause" 24/7 memoryholebot on 2018-09-19 11:49 (Reply)

Prima facie evidence that should be fully investigated according to the kiddiez.
Where's the special counsel?
😂😂😂

#2.1.1.2.1.1.1.3.1.2.1 Neener neener on 2018-09-19 15:38 (Reply)

Prima Louie probably cause. We need to get these terms straight, brother.

Meuller is now furiously consulting with Constitutional expert and scholar Baraq O'Berry. Ruling imminent, eminent, and I'm sure to learned legalbots, sure to be imanent.

#2.1.1.2.1.1.1.3.1.2.1.1 Legalbots 'R Us on 2018-09-19 15:52 (Reply)

Neener neener: Where's the special counsel?

Department of Justice
Special Counsel’s Office
950 Pennsylvania Avenue NW
Room B-103
Washington, D.C. 20530

#2.1.1.2.1.1.1.3.1.2.1.2 Zachriel on 2018-09-19 17:46 (Reply)

Glad you kiddiez agree that a special counsel should be appointed to investigate Hillary and the money she took from the Russians in order to facilitate the sale of Uranium One to a hostile foreign power and any others that may have been involved (Mueller) due to the prima facie evidence of a bribe.

#2.1.1.2.1.1.1.3.1.2.1.2.1 Neener neener on 2018-09-19 18:26 (Reply)

Neener neener: a special counsel should be appointed to investigate Hillary and the money she took from the Russians

A special counsel would only be authorized under the law if there was reason to believe an FBI investigation would present a conflict of interest. The FBI is currently overseen by Trump appointees.

The FBI has already investigated the Uranium One deal, under Rod Rosenstein, who was later nominated by Trump as deputy attorney general.

#2.1.1.2.1.1.1.3.1.2.1.2.1.1 Zachriel on 2018-09-20 06:48 (Reply)

By the way, for the past year, the DOJ has been reexamining the Uranium One investigation.

#2.1.1.2.1.1.1.3.1.2.1.2.1.2 Zachriel on 2018-09-20 06:58 (Reply)

Glad that y'all agree that she's prima facie guilty and the FBI, once again, did not thoroughly investigate her criminal actions.
Thanks, kiddiez.
😂😂😂

#2.1.1.2.1.1.1.3.1.2.1.2.1.2.1 Neener neener on 2018-09-20 09:37 (Reply)

Neener needer: Glad that y'all agree that she's prima facie guilty

Not sure where you see prima facie guilt, as there is a lack of evidence of a quid pro quo.

#2.1.1.2.1.1.1.3.1.2.1.2.1.2.1.1 Zachriel on 2018-09-20 11:54 (Reply)

Having calculated it, arguetrollbot, you should know that prima louie guilt is a subset of probably cause, it being a tributary of the emanation of the penumbra adjacent to the proximity of the possible conspiracy, which you also confabulated in a strict legal sense.

The underlying structural foundation, not unlike the Living Constitution and Guam flipping over, is the neener neener. This is the evident, fundamental aspect of arguetrollbotting (aside from any sense of real human perspective whatsoever, that is).

And evidence matters, so there we have it.

#2.1.1.2.1.1.1.3.1.2.1.2.1.2.1.1.1 And Guam spins and spins on 2018-09-20 12:40 (Reply)

And Guam spins and spins: {snip gobbledygook} evidence matters

Yes it does.

#2.1.1.2.1.1.1.3.1.2.1.2.1.2.1.1.1.1 Zachriel on 2018-09-20 12:43 (Reply)

Thanks for agreeing with a real human concerning the wooden machinery of perpetual troll motion, arguebot, although that and fifty cents won't buy me coffee or you fuses. Evidence matters and your ticker tape isn't evidence.

You're a narrative peddler that doesn't recognize even so much as satire.

#2.1.1.2.1.1.1.3.1.2.1.2.1.2.1.1.1.1.1 The new, irony-free arguetrollbot on 2018-09-20 14:47 (Reply)

Oh, that's good.
😂😂😂

#2.1.1.2.1.1.1.3.1.2.1.2.1.2.1.1.1.1.1.1 Neener neener on 2018-09-20 16:55 (Reply)

So there you go.

No, not at all. You can't even defend your positions, so you try to assume them true. That's just a typical zachriel fallacy. Same as always.

#2.1.2 DrTorch on 2018-09-18 14:38 (Reply)

DrTorch: You can't even defend your positions, so you try to assume them true.

Actually, we pointed to facts, such as a finding of probable cause, and that there is a distinction between evidence of probable cause and legal proof. We did agree with the author that a counterintelligence investigation was warranted, and cited Mueller's authorization on the subject.

But you're just waving your hands, not actually making an argument.

#2.1.2.1 Zachriel on 2018-09-18 17:53 (Reply)

Yeah, bull. You've variously demanded negative proofs while turning probable cause on its head with possible cause. And you utterly ignore the tsunami of Democrat and Obarky administration illegalities while painting the Trump side as the sole perps when in fact he's the only guy from the Oval even slightly interested in swamp-draining.

So yeah: BULL. Why are you even here?

Nobody believes a word you say, crapbot. There's a reason for that. At best you're a troll.

#2.1.2.1.1 Turdbots lie and frame reality on 2018-09-18 19:57 (Reply)

Turdbots lie and frame reality: You've variously demanded negative proofs ...

Turdbot, what negative proof is that?

Turdbots lie and frame reality: while turning probable cause on its head with possible cause.

No, Turdbot, we use the standard definition of probable cause, "a reasonable amount of suspicion, supported by circumstances sufficiently strong to justify a prudent and cautious person's belief that certain facts are probably true," as adjudicated by the courts under relevant precedents.

#2.1.2.1.1.1 Zachriel on 2018-09-19 08:56 (Reply)

If opinion magically rises to the level of fact - a word you regularly abuse in your transparent appeals to circular reasoning and begged questions - then by extension I'd be arguing with racing goalposts and subjective framing, which for obvious reasons I'm kinda trying not to do.

You're a purveyor of opinion gussied up in the rhetorical disguise of "fact". Therefore it's already beneath any reasonable person to waste time on your obvious trolling. Consider these remarks a favor.

Anyway, you expected someone to prove that Meuller didn't have damning evidence on X or Y. In other words, that having determined that X or Y were guilty all on your own, now a third party should prove that another third party could not, in some perversion of logic, corroborate your fictions.

As far as possible cause you used possible in the same context - that given X was capable of Y as you imagined it, cause was established. Obviously a bunch of us remember it and nobody is buying your regurgitating the definition of probable cause as if you've ever used the term either consistently or truthfully.

You're a troll. And you still owe your many victims an answer to the question how much you get paid to post all this racket.

#2.1.2.1.1.1.1 It's just a postmodernist arguetrollbot on 2018-09-19 09:48 (Reply)

It's just a postmodernist arguetrollbot,

Arguetrollbot, Your first two paragraphs and last paragraphi are devoid of content.

It's just a postmodernist arguetrollbot: Anyway, you expected someone to prove that Meuller didn't have damning evidence on X or Y. In other words, that having determined that X or Y were guilty all on your own, now a third party should prove that another third party could not, in some perversion of logic, corroborate your fictions.

Surprised the next two paragraphs made it through the spam filter, Arguetrollbot. They almost have content, but for some reason you left out the specifics, substituting X and Y for actual content. Adjust your settings, and try again.

#2.1.2.1.1.1.1.1 Zachriel on 2018-09-19 10:23 (Reply)

^ The troll's Achilles Heel is being confronted by thought instead of dimensionless, back and forth neener neeners. The troll cannot exist on the level of thought so, as you see, back to neener neener it flies.

It's so simple, really. For postmodernist subjectivity to be held to abstract logic and reason is to collapse it.

#2.1.2.1.1.1.1.1.1 It's just a postmodernist arguetrollbot on 2018-09-19 11:02 (Reply)

Your comment is devoid of content. Just thought you'd want to know.

#2.1.2.1.1.1.1.1.1.1 Zachriel on 2018-09-19 11:19 (Reply)

^ As mindlessly flippant and glib as the thing is while reframing reality, you'd think it could at least compose something intellectual.

Nope. "Neener neener".

#2.1.2.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1 Proving it's a arguetrollbot 24/7 on 2018-09-19 11:45 (Reply)

Bernie Sanders = Hypocritical Marxist-Socialist with 3 homes, one he suddenly obtained after agreeing not to oppose Hillary. And palling around with Sarah Silverman, one of the most obnoxious, repulsive, crude and lewd people in the United States.

#2.2 Jim on 2018-09-18 13:43 (Reply)

Bernie, you forgot to mention the puppies and kitties.

#3 Assistant Village Idiot (Link) on 2018-09-18 09:38 (Reply)

Champagne in plastic is just gauche!

Nature roars: "The elements offer a rebuke as President Trump rolls back policies designed to address global warming."
Address: Talking about something...as opposed to doing something about the climate, globally, which has been changing ever since the earth was formed.

Brexit: In the old song's words, "getting so much resistance from behind" Ms. May (and others whose names I know not).

#4 Sam L. on 2018-09-18 10:51 (Reply)

re China is inventing a whole new way to oppress a people

I imagine the American Left and Deep State is watching these developments closely.

#5 feeblemind on 2018-09-18 10:52 (Reply)

In 1980, I worked in San Francisco for a trial lawyer. That experience taught me that "justice" begins with the first client/attorney meeting and the amount of any award is decided by phone during the next week or two, before anyone gets in the courtroom. HOWEVER, our office was in the same building as many of the immigration attorneys were located. There was a basement cafeteria where many of us gals ate lunch. It was nothing to hear one legal assistant tell another what the "day's price" at the local US Dept. of Immigration was and with which employee.

#6 Another One on 2018-09-18 10:54 (Reply)

EATING CHEESE AND BUTTER EVERY DAY LINKED TO LIVING LONGER. Just drink milk and cut out the middle man (and as much of the butter fat as you want).

#7 BillH on 2018-09-18 11:03 (Reply)

From the beaches of Puerto Vallarta, it is hard to tell that Mexico is one of the most violent places on earth. Over two hundred thousand dead, since 2006 when the government declared war on organized crime. Don’t they know that the answer to all the killings is one simple law? Just outlaw gun ownership.

#8 B. Hammer on 2018-09-18 11:38 (Reply)

Here is video of hundreds of armed camouflaged Mexicans crossing the border into the U.S. Mexican troops? Gang convoys carrying drugs? Who knows at this point.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ESuy3snZes

We need to Build the Wall. Now. We are under attack, Literally.

#8.1 Jim on 2018-09-18 15:00 (Reply)

That London mayor must think he's got the votes.

#9 steve walsh on 2018-09-18 12:33 (Reply)

Bernie Sanders Bashes America “We Just Starve Little Children, We Go Bomb Houses”

Mayor Bernie just loved Sandinista Nicaragua in the 1980s.Bernie Sanders Praising Bread Lines and Food Rationing.

QUOTE:

"It’s funny, sometimes American journalists talk about how bad a country is, that people are lining up for food. That is a good thing! In other countries people don’t line up for food: the rich get the food and the poor starve to death."

Price controls leading to declining production and then to food lines. Great policies, Bernie.

In the 1980s, in his capacity as Mayor of Burlington, Bernie Sanders was a vehement supporter of the Sandinistas.The Sandinistas were, in turn, vehement supporters of Soviet Imperialism. In March 1980, within three months of the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, 5 Sandinista Comandates made a trip to Moscow and signed a Joint FSLN-CPSU party-to-party agreement. An excerpt follow:

QUOTE:

“The Soviet Union and Nicaragua resolutely condemn the campaign that the imperialist and reactionary forces have launched of building up international tension in connection with the events of Afghanistan, a campaign aimed at subverting the inalienable right of the people of the Democratic Republic of Afghanistan and other peoples of the world to follow the path of progressive transformation.”

Mayor Bernie never objected to this Sandinista support of Soviet imperialism.

Not to mention Bernie's bashing the United States and praising Chavista Venezuela. Close The Gaps: Disparities That Threaten America. .

QUOTE:

These days, the American dream is more apt to be realized in South America, in places such as Ecuador, Venezuela and Argentina, where incomes are actually more equal today than they are in the land of Horatio Alger. Who's the banana republic now?

The American dream is more likely to be realized in Venezuela than in the United States, Bernie Sanders tells us. As we all want to realize the American dream, we should emulate Venezuela, Bernie Sanders tells us. Just as he said that Sandinista Nicaragua should be a model for Vermont.

Bernie Sanders is an ignorant scold.

#10 Gringo on 2018-09-18 15:57 (Reply)

The irony is that even as bad as he was, was he was a more legitimate candidate than Hillary. But the corrupt DNC and Hillary rigged the process so he didn't have a chance. And then bought him off.

#10.1 Jim on 2018-09-18 16:31 (Reply)

QUOTE:

'Resist Everything, Every Level. F*ck Sh*t Up!'

Meet Stuart Karaffa.
He's your garden-variety lefty troll who is a member of "the Resistance" and a card-carrying member of the Metro DC Democratic Socialists of America (Metro DC DSA). He also works for the State Department, where he regularly engages in socialist political activity on the taxpayers' dime, while advocating against the Trump administration.
----
Maybe someday I’ll go to board of elections jail, probably not,” he declared. “I have nothing to lose. It’s impossible to fire federal employees.”

https://pjmedia.com/video/project-veritas-unmasks-the-deep-state-resist-everything-every-level-fck-sht-up/

#11 Zzzzatemypuppies on 2018-09-18 17:41 (Reply)

Personally, I just drink my champagne straight out of the box. With a straw.

#12 Jerryskids on 2018-09-18 18:26 (Reply)

Straws are illegal now. I recommend you disguise this by using a paper bag.

#12.1 Assistant Village Idiot (Link) on 2018-09-19 09:13 (Reply)

"Trump Jr. said he would "love" to have help with the campaign from the Russian government"

No he didn't. He never said that. You should stop repeating the lie.

#13 Hank_M on 2018-09-20 08:52 (Reply)

Hank_M: No he didn't. He never said that.

Let's look at the emails.

So the purportedly incriminating information is being provided as "part of Russia and its government's support for Mr. Trump". Trump Jr. says "if it's what you say I love it especially later in the summer."

#13.1 Zachriel on 2018-09-20 11:52 (Reply)

The emails do not show that "Trump Jr. said he would "love" to have help with the campaign from the Russian government".

Show us exactly where "Trump Jr. said he would "love" to have help with the campaign from the Russian government".

He didn't

You can't.

#13.1.1 Harold Modica on 2018-09-20 12:09 (Reply)

Harold Modica: Show us exactly where "Trump Jr. said he would "love" to have help with the campaign from the Russian government".

Right here.

#13.1.1.1 Zachriel on 2018-09-20 12:41 (Reply)

"Show us exactly where "Trump Jr. said he would "love" to have help with the campaign from the Russian government".

Right here."

Link doesn't work. And if it's a link to CNN, that also doesn't show Trump Jr saying he'd love help with the campaign from the Russians.

#14 Hank_M on 2018-09-20 13:01 (Reply)

Hank_M: And if it's a link to CNN, that also doesn't show Trump Jr saying he'd love help with the campaign from the Russians.

Of course it does. Goldstone says there is incriminating information on Clinton, and that it is being provided as part of the Russian government efforts to help Trump. Trump Jr. says he'd love it, clearly referring to the information being provided by the Russian government to support Trump.

The conversation is of the form:

Person: Psst. I can get you some pocket watches real cheap. Your dad would probably like one. Vlad stole them, though.
Junior: If it's what you say I love it. I'll take delivery in the summer.

#14.1 Zachriel on 2018-09-20 13:57 (Reply)

Trump Jr. says he'd love it, clearly referring to the information"

Exactly. He was hoping to see some dirt about Hillary.

Which is quite different from saying that Trump Jr would love help with the campaign.

#15 Hank_M on 2018-09-20 14:33 (Reply)

Hank_M: Exactly. He was hoping to see some dirt about Hillary.

Now you got it. He wanted the pocket watch, even though he knew it was stolen. He wanted the dirt, which would help the campaign, even though he knew it was being provided as "part of Russia and its government's support for Mr. Trump".

#15.1 Zachriel on 2018-09-20 14:36 (Reply)

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