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re: Asia Argento's Time Is Up - A tale of fame, fallacy, and the perils of good intentions
I read the whole thing, but couldn't find the part about 'good intentions' anywhere. Re: YDSA urges socialists to infiltrate public education
They haven't already? That's hilarious...they have taken over the social sciences preaching SJW narratives for a few decades already.
Defense Against Bears with Pistols. Try to grab the pistol and turn it on the bear. Bears are notoriously clumsy and can't get a good grip on a pistol.
They should have included the review of the JetFire .22 caliber.
http://smith-wessonforum.com/lounge/229484-smallest-caliber-you-trust-bear-country.html I'm sure the Gang of Z does, but they won't buy guns for them.
The cities keep spending more money on the homeless and the numbers of homeless keep going up. Hmmmmm! Who could have seen this coming?
Actually this story and the story about legalizing drugs and how drugs are no worse than alcohol should go hand in hand. Most homeless are addicts. Their lifestyle is more or less self limiting unless they are propped up by good intentions and billions in other people's money. Every time someone hands a buck or 5 bucks out the window to the homeless guy on the street corner they become part of the problem. This is how they feed their habit. If it wasn't for the handouts and the homeless kitchens and the places for them to sleep the reality of their situation would dawn on them and they just might get out of this self-imposed trap they are in. But NOOOO! You gotta give them some money because it makes you feel good and the mayor is going to put them up in a motel because humanity and stuff. Can't let them suffer the consequences of their choices. Nope! Gotta catch them and feed them and house them and turn a blind eye to the crime and filth they create. Imagine if YOU a law abiding tax paying citizen did what they do everyday. The police would come to your house and it would cost you thousands just to keep from going to jail. Imagine that, you don't do those things because "consequences"... RE: E U Meeting Ends With No Deal On Migrant Redistribution
Why are these discussions even taking place? The countries scoring all the immigrants should be happy. Diversity is strength. Powerline: We are in the midst of the longest bull market ever. Employment is at a record high, unemployment–especially among minorities, young people and women–at or near record lows... Wages are rising.
All accurate. These are trends that began during the Obama Administration. Powerline: GDP is growing at a 4% clip, which liberal economists deemed impossible in the last administration. Well, that's obviously false. The economy grew over 4% YoY in several quarters during the last administration. The question is whether 4% growth is sustainable over the long term. Powerline: We are at peace, "The U.S. military is officially fighting wars in seven countries, according to the White House’s latest war report." Powerline: but at the same time our government is finally taking steps to deal with long-festering problems in Iran, Russia, China and North Korea. Most analysts believe the U.S. has not taken steps towards resolving any of those outstanding international problems, and in many cases, has made the situation worse. Powerline: If you listen to most journalists and pundits, none of that is important. All of which has been reported on extensively in the media. Trump's campaign manager, personal attorney, and National Security advisor, have all been found guilty of crimes, his personal attorney implicating Trump in a felony. The Trump Organization may have been used to illegally payoff women, with the CFO being given immunity in order to compel testimony. Trump apparently violates the Emoluments Clause daily, and there is evidence he is in hawk to Russian oligarchs of a hostile foreign power, and may have been involved in money laundering. The Trump campaign at least attempted to collude with Russian government efforts to interfere with the U.S. election. These are all also important. Zzzz: These are all also important.
We'll see. The is no evidence that the President has committed any crimes. 😂😂😂 QUOTE: All accurate. These are trends that began during the Obama Administration. In your dreams. You better inform the top Obama economic gurus. There is even a nice real GDP graph for you. I know how you people love graphs. Notice real GDP was in decline in 2016 from 2015. If we accept your analysis, of current economic growth coming from Obama policies, then Bush gets all the credit for 2010. B. Hammer: There is even a nice real GDP graph for you.
Have no idea what point you are trying to make. You seem to be talking about rate of real GDP growth. Last quarter, YoY growth was 4.1%. It was 5.1% and 4.9% in consecutive quarters in 2014, and 4.7% in the last quarter of 2011. However, one or even two quarters does not represent sustained growth. B. Hammer: Notice real GDP was in decline in 2016 from 2015. That is incorrect. The economy grew in both 2015 and 2016, albeit slower in 2016. B. Hammer: If we accept your analysis, of current economic growth coming from Obama policies, then Bush gets all the credit for 2010. The trend left from the Bush Administration was a collapsing economy, shedding hundreds of thousands of jobs each month. Of course you have no idea. The title of the LA Times article says it all, “If Trump thinks he can get more than 3% economic growth, he's dreaming.” May 19, 2017. Yet, here we are, 4% growth. It must be the magic wand goodness.
From the link: QUOTE: The U.S. hasn't had sustained real annual growth (that is, over inflation) of better than 3% since the 1990s, with a brief spurt in 2004 and 2005. Making up the difference from 2% to more than 3% looks like a pipe dream. B. Hammer: The U.S. hasn't had sustained real annual growth (that is, over inflation) of better than 3% since the 1990s
And still hasn't. Anything else?
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Zachriel
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2018-08-26 10:53
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The GDPNow model estimate for real GDP growth (seasonally adjusted annual rate) in the third quarter of 2018 is 4.6 percent on August 24, up from 4.3 percent on August 16.
https://www.frbatlanta.org/cqer/research/gdpnow.aspx 😂😂😂
#8.2.1.1.1.1
drowningpuppies
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2018-08-26 12:46
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Nice narrative you have there but after 2 years of Russia, Russia, Russia, we still have no Russia connection except to Hillary, the FBI, the CIA, and the DNC.
indyjonesouthere: Nice narrative you have there but after 2 years of Russia, Russia, Russia, we still have no Russia connection
Sure there is. For instance, Trump Jr. attempted to collude with the Russian government in the Russian government's effort to interfere with the U.S. election. That is DNC and media narrative and it is only wishful thinking that keeps that trash talking alive.
indyjonesouthere: That is DNC and media narrative
Actually, we quoted the actual emails, not a narrative. Here it is again: Trump Jr., son and political advisor to the Trump campaign, received an email that purported to have information that “would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia and would be very useful to your father. This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government’s support for Mr. Trump.” Instead of turning the email over to the FBI, Trump Jr. replied, “If it’s what you say I love it especially later in the summer.” {emphasis added}
#8.3.1.1.1
Zachriel
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2018-08-26 12:55
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Still no crime.
😂😂😂
#8.3.1.1.1.1
drowningpuppies
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2018-08-26 15:13
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If Obama had ever done anything positive for the economy it was purely on accident. I admire your attempts at revisionism, or at least giving Obama some credit, but there's absolutely none due. All Trump did was undo the damage Obama did and let the market do it's thing.
I listened to Alan Dershowitz give a 20-minute lecture the other night on how Trump has done nothing illegal, but I'm sure of the two you're the greater legal scholar. Hoss: All Trump did was undo the damage Obama did and let the market do it's thing.
So far the major economic trend lines haven't changed from those of the Obama Administration. Hoss: I listened to Alan Dershowitz give a 20-minute lecture the other night on how Trump has done nothing illegal Perhaps not, but many of those close to him have committed felonies, and there is more than probable cause for investigating related corruption. QUOTE: "Every day it becomes clearer that the true object of the investigation taken over by Robert Mueller is the removal of President Trump from office." Every day it becomes clearer that the true object of the investigation taken over by Robert Mueller is to determine the facts about criminal wrongdoing among Trump associates, many of whom have already been found guilty, and others given immunity in order to compel testimony. QUOTE: It's called flipping and it almost ought to be illegal." — Donald Trump Turning state's evidence ("turn Queen's approver") is deeply embedded in common law. The idea is that someone at the top of a criminal conspiracy has more responsibility, and is more of a continuing problem for society, than those lower in the criminal enterprise; therefore, it makes sense to offer some clemency to those who are willing to cooperate with the investigators to root out a conspiracy. Defendants can question the reliability of the witness, who may have also committed crimes, but when supported by other forms of evidence, criminal enterprises have been dismantled by flipping conspirators, and working up to the top. Zzzz: Turning state's evidence... blah, blah, blah...
Yep, actually a plea deal which requires one to tell prosecutors all the "Truth" they tell him to tell. Silly little kiddiez. 😂😂😂 "The Trump campaign at least attempted to collude with Russian government efforts to interfere with the U.S. election."
How do you know? Mueller hasn't found any evidence in a year. James Comey said that if you can't find any evidence in a year you are incompetent. Zachriel: The Trump campaign at least attempted to collude with Russian government efforts to interfere with the U.S. election.
Ray: How do you know? Mueller hasn't found any evidence in a year. The evidence is in the public domain. Trump Jr., son and political advisor to the Trump campaign, received an email that purported to have information that “would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia and would be very useful to your father. This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government’s support for Mr. Trump.” Instead of turning the email over to the FBI, Trump Jr. replied, “If it’s what you say I love it especially later in the summer.” {emphasis added} The kiddiez still haven't articulated what crime was committed.
😂😂😂 The only crimes, Mueller's team has convicted anyone of, are banking and tax crimes. The tax laws in this country are so convoluted and circular in nature, that there is not a one of us in the country that could withstand any scrutiny. We would all be convicted, if that is what the State wants. It is that way on purpose. It is the State's go to crime. Repeal the 16th amendment!
B. Hammer: The only crimes, Mueller's team has convicted anyone of, are banking and tax crimes.
Truth isn't truth. Crime isn't crime. B. Hammer: The tax laws in this country are so convoluted and circular in nature, that there is not a one of us in the country that could withstand any scrutiny. Sure. Manafort forgot millions of dollars in offshore accounts when it came time to declare income for tax purposes, but remembered it when it was time to spend the money. Keep in mind that the check on government power is an independent judiciary and the jury system. Manafort is a crook. There's nothing about what he did that is ambiguous.
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Zachriel
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2018-08-25 16:08
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Z--Trump Jr., son and political advisor to the Trump campaign, received an email that purported to have information that “would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia and would be very useful to your father. This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government’s support for Mr. Trump.” Instead of turning the email over to the FBI, Trump Jr. replied, “If it’s what you say I love it especially later in the summer.” {emphasis added}
Since you consider Jr's meeting to be collusion, quick question. The Clinton campaign used Perkins Coie to pay a foreign agent who paid Russian government spooks for dirt on Trump. Why don't you consider that collusion? And IIRC that payment was declared as a campaign expenditure.
SK: The Clinton campaign used Perkins Coie to pay a foreign agent who paid Russian government spooks for dirt on Trump.
As far as is known, the foreign agent did not pay for information; nor, as far as is known, was it provided as part of a Russian government effort to interfere in the U.S. election. The dossier was paid for, first by Republicans, then by the Clinton campaign. That is legal. Nor did the Clinton campaign use the dossier during the campaign. That's legal too. What Trump Jr. did was accept help from a hostile power intent on helping the Trump campaign. That is not only highly unethical, but may represent an illegal campaign contribution by the hostile power. Meanwhile, Trump wants the sources revealed, connected people inside Russia who have risked their lives to provide valuable information to Western intelligence services. Putin murders those who cross him. Zzzz: What Trump Jr. did was accept help from a hostile power intent on helping the Trump campaign.
Facts not in evidence. Kiddiez making up shit again. 😂😂😂
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drowningpuppies
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2018-08-25 16:28
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You still didn't answer the question. Why don't you consider what the Clintons did collusion? Collusion is not specifically illegal.
Z--As far as is known, the foreign agent did not pay for information; nor, as far as is known, was it provided as part of a Russian government effort to interfere in the U.S. election. I have to say that got a belly laugh. You really are a sheltered lad, aren't you. Z--The dossier was paid for, first by Republicans, then by the Clinton campaign. That is legal. Nor did the Clinton campaign use the dossier during the campaign. That's legal too. It was purportedly started by a Republican, not the the campaign or the party. The Free Beacon also engaged Fusion for a short time. Both disengaged and then the Clinton campaign took it to another level. Washing the money thru a law firm of course. Z--What Trump Jr. did was accept help from a hostile power intent on helping the Trump campaign. That is not only highly unethical, but may represent an illegal campaign contribution by the hostile power. The Clintons actively sought out help from the foreign govt--and got it. Why are you OK with this but not OK with the passive actions of Jr, which yielded nothing? And as you say, what he did was not illegal. SK--Meanwhile, Trump wants the sources revealed, connected people inside Russia who have risked their lives to provide valuable information to Western intelligence services. Putin murders those who cross him. Huh? Trump wants to get to the bottom of the Russia thing? It's got to be exhausting having to justify the sort of malfeasance going on. Again, why are the passive actions of Jr collusion but not the overt actions initiated by the Clintons? Are you going to answer that question?
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SK
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2018-08-25 18:27
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SK: I have to say ...
We have to ask. Do you have evidence? Or do you just believe whatever your preconceptions tell you to believe? SK: The Clintons actively sought out help from the foreign govt--and got it. No. The firm gathered information from Russian sources that have provided valuable information to U.S. and British intelligence in the past. SK: And as you say, what he did was not illegal. Actually, Trump Jr's actions may have been a violation of campaign law. SK: Trump wants to get to the bottom of the Russia thing? Trump has suggested that the sources names be made public, which would burn the sources, and put them in danger. SK: why are the passive actions of Jr collusion but not the overt actions initiated by the Clintons? Are you going to answer that question? Accepting anything of value is a campaign contribution. It is not illegal to pay for background information on a political opponent. Accepting such help from a hostile power intent on interfering in the U.S. election may be considered a campaign contribution under the law. It is certainly probable cause for an investigation.
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Zachriel
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2018-08-26 11:07
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#10.2.2.2.2.1.1
drowningpuppies
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2018-08-26 12:39
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Thanks for more belly laughs.
As you say, the evidence is in the public domain. You STILL have not answered the question, which is not about campaign contributions, but about collusion, which you at least twice in these replies have accused Jr. of without presenting any evidence thereof.
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SK
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2018-08-26 14:36
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SK: You STILL have not answered the question, which is not about campaign contributions, but about collusion, which you at least twice in these replies have accused Jr. of without presenting any evidence thereof.
It's right in the emails. Don Jr said he would love to collude with the Russian government in their efforts to help the Trump campaign.
#10.2.2.2.2.1.2.1
Zachriel
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2018-08-26 15:24
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Still no crime.
Sorry kiddiez. 😂😂😂
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drowningpuppies
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2018-08-26 15:58
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It's right in the emails. Don Jr said he would love to collude with the Russian government in their efforts to help the Trump campaign.
He actually "said" that? Must be in an email I didn't see. Care to share a link where Jr. said he wanted to collude? Or is this just conjecture based on your preconceptions? What's it called--oh yeah, cognitive dissonance. I come near to despair when I see my beloved country being torn apart by people like you who put the rule of man above the rule of law. Shame on you.
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SK
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2018-08-26 20:59
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SK: Care to share a link where Jr. said he wanted to collude?
Sure. Trump Jr., son and political advisor to the Trump campaign, received an email that purported to have information that “would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia and would be very useful to your father. This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government’s support for Mr. Trump.” Instead of turning the email over to the FBI, Trump Jr. replied, “If it’s what you say I love it especially later in the summer.” {emphasis added}
#10.2.2.2.2.1.2.1.2.1
Zachriel
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2018-08-27 09:12
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You are confusing evidence with narrative. The DNC machine and the media machine simply keep repeating narratives without evidence. Russia, Russia, Russia, from 17 intelligence agencies right? The intelligence agencies had no evidence...the narrative came from outside those agencies and it becomes more obvious ever day.
indyjonesouthere: You are confusing evidence with narrative.
Actually, we quoted the actual emails, not a narrative. You interpret the emails just like the media and DNC but your interpretation of their meaning accounts for nothing...in the end you have been unable to advance squat against Trump for two years. Your real intent it to block Trump because you are election losers.
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indyjonesouthere
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2018-08-26 11:46
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... because you are election losers
And they can't stand it. 😂😂😂
#10.2.3.1.1.1
drowningpuppies
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2018-08-26 16:03
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indyjonesouthere: You interpret the emails just like the media and DNC
We didn't provide a summation or interpretation, but direct quotes. Here it is again: Trump Jr., son and political advisor to the Trump campaign, received an email that purported to have information that “would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia and would be very useful to your father. This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government’s support for Mr. Trump.” Instead of turning the email over to the FBI, Trump Jr. replied, “If it’s what you say I love it especially later in the summer.”
#10.2.3.1.1.2
Zachriel
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2018-08-27 09:14
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Zach, it is good to see that you received your Top Secret clearance so you can read all of Hillary and Obama's classified e-mail. Now you can tell us peons what really happened.
Be sure to read the part where about 40 of Clinton's associated were tried and convicted for various crimes. Would you mind copying and pasting that list for those of us who forgot all their names? Cute link. Nice attempt to deflect. Well, what about it? Why is is OK for the Clintons but not for trump? You've evaded the question I've asked about collusion, can you answer this one?
At least you're consistent in your inconsistency. When it involves the Clintons it's just a part of the business of politics. When it involves someone with an R behind their name it's probable cause for an investigation.
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SK
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2018-08-27 05:48
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SK: Nice attempt to deflect.
Deflection: The subject was whether there was evidence the Trump campaign attempted to collude with the Russian government's efforts to interfere in the U.S. election. Your response was Whatabout Clinton! But we answered already: Accepting anything of value is a campaign contribution. It is not illegal to pay for background information on a political opponent. Accepting such help from a hostile power intent on interfering in the U.S. election may be considered a campaign contribution under the law. It is certainly probable cause for an investigation.
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Zachriel
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2018-08-27 09:17
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Bird Dog- I have to ask you once again why you allow the Z bot to post here? It adds nothing to the blog or the comments section. I don't know if it's a bot or a 14 year old at a computer as its responses are so inane and stupid it could be either. I enjoy the comments until I get to a Z response then I move to another page. No progressive site would allow a conservation voice the exposure you allow to this leftist viewpoint.
Zach, like Beria, doesn't have to provide any evidence.
And don't you love the way he refers to Flynn, Cohen etc. as having been "found guilty"? They haven't been found guilty of anything. They were presented with a choice, one of which was the ruin of their family. FRP: It adds nothing to the blog or the comments section.
That Mueller has garnered guilty verdicts and guilty pleas for those close to Trump is certainly relevant to the credibility of the Special Counsel investigation. That Trump is arguing against turning state's evidence, a practice long embedded in common law, is also relevant. FRP: No progressive site would allow a conservation voice the exposure you allow to this leftist viewpoint. Maggie's Farm purports to be "inquiring, skeptical, politically centrist". Besides, we enjoy the Dylan posts. In any case, we try to work with threading, so you can usually scroll past discussions in which you have a lack of interest. I would like to see a thread devoted to the topic, just to gauge feedback from the Maggie's commentariat.
That doesn't mean the Bird Dog has to ban old Zach, but it would be in the spirit of the free exchange of opinions. One thing's for sure, Planet Z's funding has come through for the 2018 election campaign budget.
Aggie: One thing's for sure, Planet Z's funding has come through for the 2018 election campaign budget.
Our comments are our own, and freely given. You're welcome! " This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government’s support for Mr. Trump.”"
Of course you've seen it so you know that's true? Ray: Of course you've seen it so you know that's true?
Doesn't matter if it was true or not. Trump Jr. was willing to accept help from what he thought were Russian agents, who he was told were part of Russian government efforts to help the Trump campaign. That is highly unethical, and possibly a conspiracy to break campaign law. Zzzzz: Doesn't matter if it was true or not.
Awfully nice of the kiddiez to finally admit they don't care about the truth, only the shit they feel like making up. 😂😂😂 A 737 MAX approaches load of a far more comfortable 757. An A380 with max density can hold about 800. Even older 73s, which began life with about 120 chairs have been staffed with slimline seats bumping up by 30 or so. And designers are working on semi seated barstool configurations and stacked reclining positions to jam in more. What do you expect when pilots cost up to $300/he and stews are at $70 plus?
Tired Dog- Do you understand that the pilots and flight attendants pay doesn't start until the door closes and stops as soon as it's opened again? They work horrible hours, long days and spend little time at home. Pretty sucky job if you ask me.
"They work horrible hours, long days and spend little time at home."
Stop! Stop! Oh, the humanity! As Jerryskids might well point out, it's a shocking crime that people are forced to become pilots and flight attendants in this day and age! Why do we permit this to continue? |
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