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I watched,for a short time, Fox news and fox business. They did nothing but bash potus and called him stupid to start a trade war the us a could not possibly win....right after that potus and the head of the eu made there announcement.

#1 Judith Miley on 2018-07-26 08:50 (Reply)

QUOTE:

Trump Secures Concessions From Europeans To Avoid Trade War

Well, mostly they just agreed to talk, and not to impose more sanctions while talks are ongoing.

#1.1 Zachriel on 2018-07-26 09:15 (Reply)

Wrong again, robot(s): https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1022265839104483329

#1.1.1 Meh on 2018-07-26 10:04 (Reply)

Meh,
The Zakbot reminds me of the famous Monty Python Dead Parrot Sketch. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vuW6tQ0218
The original sketch was based on an actual experience with a used car salesman defending a car that was literally falling apart .
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_Parrot_sketch
The Zak trolls, like the unscrupulous salesmen in these sketches, persists ("the Dem resistance""?) to such a bizarre and continuing extent that the trolling has as little credibility as the Python salesmen. To our humorous amusement.

#1.1.1.1 jaybird on 2018-07-26 14:40 (Reply)

Yup. Like the dead parrot thing, we call that gaslighting in plain sight. Gaslighting as performance art. Gaslighting with a megaphone.

#1.1.1.1.1 Meh on 2018-07-26 16:06 (Reply)

QUOTE:

Boot: Without The Russians, Trump Wouldn’t Have Won

Bird Dog: No doubt. The Russians got me to vote for Trump

It only took a small number of votes to change the electoral results. There are large numbers of Catholics in Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. The fake story that the Pope endorsed Trump may have induced more than a few more people to show up to vote for Trump, and may have depressed votes for Clinton. Also, fake news that inflamed racial tensions, such as Blacktivist, helped depress the black vote while increasing the white nationalist vote.

#2 Zachriel on 2018-07-26 08:55 (Reply)

Keep whining, kiddiez.

Sooo, how does losing feel?

😂😂😂

#2.1 drowningpuppies on 2018-07-26 09:13 (Reply)

Also of significant political impact was the illegal hacking of the DNC, then the timing of the release of the stolen information for maximum political impact. Included in the hack was political strategies, and millions of dollars worth of voter research, which then became available to their political opponents.

#2.2 Zachriel on 2018-07-26 09:18 (Reply)

A hint of desperation, huh kiddiez?
The "scenario" is falling apart daily.

😂😂😂

#2.2.1 drowningpuppies on 2018-07-26 09:29 (Reply)

There is no actual evidence the fake news story about the Pope had even the slightest effect. It might have even scared non-catholic and ex-catholic votes off.

Releasing information for maximum political impact. Yeah, the Clintons would never do that.

There are always many "ifs" in the past. Had Comey not been made to water down his assessment, Hillary would have been under indictment. If the actions of the DNC had been revealed earlier, Bernie might have won.

#2.2.2 Assistant Village Idiot (Link) on 2018-07-26 09:49 (Reply)

Assistant Village Idiot: There is no actual evidence the fake news story about the Pope had even the slightest effect.

There can be no hard statistical evidence because the numbers are too small to measure reliably. We're talking a few thousand voters in key precincts. That's the wonder of social media. You can gear your advertising directly to those most amenable to persuasion.

Assistant Village Idiot: It might have even scared non-catholic and ex-catholic votes off.

That's right. Catholics who were weak supporters of Clinton may have just decided to stay home.

Assistant Village Idiot: There are always many "ifs" in the past.

Of course. But in this case, we know the Russians directly interfered in the U.S. election, by hacking and through the dissemination of fake news. This wouldn't have been nearly the problem that it was if Republicans had united with Democrats to push back against it. Instead, because they benefited, even now, the President keeps saying it's fake news. The U.S. president lies even when the truth would do.

Assistant Village Idiot: Had Comey not been made to water down his assessment, Hillary would have been under indictment.

Uh, no. The investigators unanimously agreed that charges were not warranted.

#2.2.2.1 Zachriel on 2018-07-26 10:10 (Reply)

Zzzzz: The investigators unanimously agreed that charges were not warranted.

Yep, that's what Comey said and we all know he would never lie.

😂😂😂

#2.2.2.1.1 drowningpuppies on 2018-07-26 11:10 (Reply)

quote: "Uh, no. The investigators unanimously agreed that charges were not warranted."

Uh no. James Comey decided not to prosecute Clinton before the investigation was even concluded. Peter Strzok rewrote Comey's initial report to change Comey's description of Clinton's conduct from "grossly negligent" — which was a violation of the applicable federal statute — to "extremely careless."

#2.2.2.1.2 Hank_M on 2018-07-26 11:11 (Reply)

Hank_M: Uh no.

Uh, yes. It was the unanimous opinion of the investigators not to file charges.

Hank_M: James Comey decided not to prosecute Clinton before the investigation was even concluded.

It's typical for tentative conclusions to be reached, and there was no evidence of criminality.

#2.2.2.1.2.1 Zachriel on 2018-07-26 14:31 (Reply)

Yep, it's kinda hard to file charges when you give immunity to all the criminal participants.

Again y'all are full of shit, kiddiez.

😂😂😂

#2.2.2.1.2.1.1 drowningpuppies on 2018-07-26 14:57 (Reply)

There's a reason the investigators are being investigated... and it's not for a lack of evidence.

#2.2.2.1.2.2 indyjonesouthere on 2018-07-26 18:35 (Reply)

indyjonesouthere: There's a reason the investigators are being investigated... and it's not for a lack of evidence.

Comey was investigated, and the Inspector General found he had mishandled the email investigation, but in a manner that hurt Clinton, not helped her. The Inspector General found no issues with the determination of the FBI not to charge Clinton, but having done so, Comey failed to follow established procedure. Comey should not have issued a statement, but referred the matter to the Department of Justice.

The Inspector General also found no evidence that Strzok skewed his decision-making for political reasons, but did criticize him for creating the appearance of bias.

#2.2.2.1.2.2.1 Zachriel on 2018-07-27 10:13 (Reply)

No evidence means "no evidence," not "there must be some under the seat cushions because we want it."

Did someone do targeted advertising of Roman Catholics that no one else heard about, and did it have any effect? Seat cushions again.

The Russian "fake news" had no effect that anyone has measured. If you could show some you could dine out on it for life in Cambridge. The speculated effect of announcements of BLM protests could just as likely have the opposite effect on voters. All countries try to influence each other's elections all the time. You are straining at gnats and swallowing camels.

Unanimously agreed after the final report came out with changed wording. Sorta had to at that point.

#2.2.2.1.3 Assistant Village Idiot (Link) on 2018-07-26 13:05 (Reply)

Assistant Village Idiot: No evidence means "no evidence,"

There's anecdotal evidence, and there are tentative studies which show that some voters changed their voting behavior due to fake news. Gunther et al., Fake News May Have Contributed to Trump's 2016 Victory, Ohio State University 2018.

Assistant Village Idiot: Did someone do targeted advertising of Roman Catholics that no one else heard about, and did it have any effect?

Yes. The story of the Pope endorsing Trump had garnered nearly a million Facebook engagements by election day. The Russian front Blacktivist had more followers than the official Black Lives Matter. None of this cost advertising dollars, of course, just an army of trolls.

Assistant Village Idiot: Unanimously agreed after the final report came out with changed wording.

That's right. There was unanimous agreement by the investigators on the final report which recommended against filing charges in the case.

#2.2.2.1.3.1 Zachriel on 2018-07-26 14:33 (Reply)

[i]The story of the Pope endorsing Trump had garnered nearly a million Facebook engagements by election day[/]

The total Facebook audience in the United States amounted to 214 million users. With more than 1.8 billion monthly active users, Facebook is the most popular social network worldwide.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/398136/us-facebook-user-age-groups/

so it was seen by about 0.4% percent of the US FaceBook users, assuming each engagement is a unique person and none came from outside the US.

#2.2.2.1.3.1.1 Christopher B on 2018-07-26 15:16 (Reply)

Christopher B: so it was seen by about 0.4% percent of the US FaceBook users

Engagements, not views, in targeted precincts crucial to the electoral college. And that's just the fake Pope story, which was targeted at Catholics.

#2.2.2.1.3.1.1.1 Zachriel on 2018-07-26 16:55 (Reply)

Assistant Village Idiot: It might have even scared non-catholic and ex-catholic votes off.

Sorry, misread that. Social media allows targeted advertising. Catholics are easy to identify through social media. Religion is even a question on Facebook.

#2.2.2.2 Zachriel on 2018-07-26 10:16 (Reply)

Fake jibber jabber bzzzbzzzz: As Rob Goldman, Facebook's VP of Ad Product, had tweeted, "The majority of the Russian ad spend happened AFTER the election. We shared that fact, but very few outlets have covered it because it doesn’t align with the main media narrative of Tump and the election."

#2.2.2.2.1 B. Hammer on 2018-07-26 11:13 (Reply)

B. Hammer: The majority of the Russian ad spend happened AFTER the election.

Most activity on social media doesn't require buying ads, just an army of trolls setting up accounts, then reposting and retweeting.

B. Hammer: We shared that fact, but very few outlets have covered it because it doesn’t align with the main media narrative of Trump and the election.

Because, as anyone familiar with social media knows, you don't have to spend much on ads if you have an army of trolls, and patsies willing to play along.

#2.2.2.2.1.1 Zachriel on 2018-07-26 14:36 (Reply)

The kiddiez have just described themselves. LOL.

😂😂😂

#2.2.2.2.1.1.1 drowningpuppies on 2018-07-26 14:50 (Reply)

Not sure why you did that snarky strike through unless you didn't understand that B. Hammer was directly quoting Rob Goldman. I expect a Facebook VP is probably familiar with social media but that's just me.

For reference, from that noted alt-right newspaper, the NY Times.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/19/technology/russia-facebook-trump.html

#2.2.2.2.1.1.2 Christopher B on 2018-07-26 15:06 (Reply)

Christopher B: I expect a Facebook VP is probably familiar with social media but that's just me.

He's familiar with social media all right, and like Facebook generally, he's trying to avoid responsibility. So, because you apparently missed it, we'll repeat the point: You don't have to spend much on ads if you have an army of trolls, and patsies willing to play along. Russian ads were viewed roughly 11 million times, while posts by Russian trolls were viewed 150 million times. Not to mention that the ads the Russians did buy were targeted towards crucial precincts.

From your own link: "In real-world terms, a part of Facebook still sees itself as the bank that got robbed, rather than the architect who designed a bank with no safes, and no alarms or locks on the doors, and then acted surprised when burglars struck."

#2.2.2.2.1.1.2.1 Zachriel on 2018-07-26 16:52 (Reply)

As the Zachborg has proven, countless times on this blog, Trolling doesn’t always work - probably very rarely prusades anyone. Certainly not persuasive enough to carry a stumbling security risk, and terrible canidate across the finish line. I guess we aren’t the right kind of patsies. Take a bow Maggie’s Farmers.

How many trolls are in your farm Zach? Why can’t you lefties just except the election results? A couple of you at the zachborg troll farm, seem reasonably intelligent, don’t be afraid to #walkaway. Freedom of thought is very liberating! You’ll loose some friends, perhaps, but gain self respect.

#2.2.2.2.1.1.2.1.1 B. Hammer on 2018-07-26 17:41 (Reply)

OFF-TOPIC

B. Hammer: Trolling doesn’t always work - probably very rarely prusades anyone.

Trolling doesn't attempt to persuade, but to divert a discussion. That's why we always try to stay on topic, and rely on demonstrable facts to support our position. (Note the statistics provided in our previous comment, along with a quote from the cited article.)

Responses to our comments are often of two varieties: handwaving away pesky facts or ad hominem diversions, as you do here.

#2.2.2.2.1.1.2.1.1.1 Zachriel on 2018-07-27 10:01 (Reply)

And the CS-SR(s)'s Gaslighting Module 2500 starts smoking it's running so hot. Careful CS-SR(s), it might take weeks for the little service person to row over and replace that thing.

Although if he does, have him update your library of bullshit. Have him run the seek-obvious call and try and give you some more convincing material. Because, dude.

#2.2.2.2.1.1.2.1.1.1.1 Meh on 2018-07-27 11:43 (Reply)

Boris Pasternak hated trolls.

#2.2.2.2.1.1.2.1.1.1.2 Bill Carson on 2018-07-27 13:12 (Reply)

Funny..... how no one but Zach-Borg knew of these FAKE news items. Never heard a peep about the Red Pope declaring for the Donald, when he has been opposed to TRUMP all along..

That's okay Zach-Borg, continue to make up sh*t! You just expose yourself even more!

Is your boss, David Brock still diddling little boys???? Must cost him a lot. Keeps your checks lower, ya know.

#2.3 b48 on 2018-07-26 10:36 (Reply)

b48: Never heard a peep about the Red Pope declaring for the Donald, ...

The story of the Pope endorsing Trump had garnered nearly a million Facebook engagements by election day. The top 20 fake news stories outperformed real news at the end of the 2016 campaign.

b48: when he has been opposed to TRUMP all along.

The Pope did not endorse either candidate.

#2.3.1 Zachriel on 2018-07-26 14:41 (Reply)

Vox!

LOL

😂😂😂

#2.3.1.1 drowningpuppies on 2018-07-26 18:52 (Reply)

Regarding the idea that the left and right have switched places on the issue of personal morality: Only partly true. During the many Clinton scandals, the Right focused on the lying, not the sex. What happened is that the general public got interested because of the sex, so Billy Blythe got a lot of critical attention from the mainstream media. I followed conservative media pretty closely in those days, and NRO and Rush Limbaugh in particular tried to move attention off the sex news to the less titillating but more important character issues. They covered the sexual issues mostly to point out the hypocrisy of the left, especially around the power imbalance.

The spin machine went to work that the conservatives were obsessed with sex, and it was very effective, as even many conservatives believe it to this day. It has become one of those things that "everyone knows." Always beware things that "everyone knows." The opposite is often more true. The general public was, and is, obsessed with sex, so it was tied to Clinton in the general discussion. It was not hit pieces from the right. (Even if it had been, the news was, after all, true.)

It was the left which was obsessed with sex - obsessed with defending as mere nothings behaviors which most people, not just conservatives, regarded as improper. They minimised the aspects such as power difference, deceptiveness, private versus public versus on-the-job times and spaces to tell us "It's just about sex," because they were obsessed with defending their own values about sex.

All that said, it is true that conservatives have dropped their sexual standards for Trump, because they considered the alternative worse. Still, even if all the current accusations against Trump are true they do not come up to the Bill Clinton history and significantly, are not while he is in office. If those things do happen, and Trump wags his finger and lies to us on TV - which he might be capable of - the accusation that the right is switching its views will have more teeth.

#3 Assistant Village Idiot (Link) on 2018-07-26 10:18 (Reply)

There is literally no one in the world who could withstand a full assault on their life and past deeds. Once the left wing dirt diggers decide you must go they will do and say anything to accomplish that. Trump is simply in line for this attack. He is certainly no worse than ANY politician but the left wants us to believe that conservatives have changed our minds about morals and they want this because they desperately need to separate Trump from his supporters. By comparison with anyone in Hollywood, anyone in politics and 95% of the rest of America Trump is far more honest and moral. Did he have sex? Oh my god yes! Doesn't everyone else???

This entire argument is illogical. I hope Trump's supporters continue to see through this fake news and back Trump 100%. He is the only president in the last 240 years who has accomplished so much in so little time. More importantly the left had brought us to the brink of disaster and Trump has pulled us back from the brink. Make no mistake the risk/problems are still there a lot of work remains to be done. But Trump bought us some time. If we abandon him because of fake news we will all pay a terrible price for that mistake.

#4 GoneWithTheWind on 2018-07-26 10:56 (Reply)

Trump supporters don't care. We didn't elect him pope, we didn't elect him Jesus. We elected him to scrub the toilet, and God willing, it will be cleaned.
I'm almost certain I'm not the only Joe out here, sick of watching the Glitzeratti walk around in the clouds urinating on the "smelly masses" and bathing in their superiority while remaining, in nearly all cases, so far above the law that the law doesn't exist for them.
You go, Mr. President. You go.

#4.1 rich whiteman on 2018-07-26 11:54 (Reply)

Rich
My thought exactly - we elected Trump to scrub the festering plugged-up DC toilet which has polluted the country.

Almost all the news is about TRUMP!!!, not much else. All the hatred makes him effectively dominating and bigger than life – perhaps even legendary. In brand advertising, even bad coverage can be good. Trump was inducted into the celebrity wing of the “WWE wrestling” hall of fame, known for its audience-engagement identity branding.

I think the the trump-haters are willing to settle for Mutually Assured Destruction. Big-haired Samson at first avoided being caught with his pants down with a prostitute in Gaza. But the doomed philistines persisted and brought him down by another woman, Delilah, they bribed to betray him and his hair. The subdued Sampson then killed himself and all the philistine tormenters and rulers by tearing down their temple with them in it.

Trump offered peace with Hillary ("nice people"), who declined. The doctrine of Mutually Assured Destruction only works to restrain rational people and governments. Trump exposes institutional corruption and the hypocritical irrationality of destruction-seekers and their media talking heads. If Democrats and corrupt Republicans get an impeachment opportunity in the congressional temple, Trump should retain enough core voting strength (35-40% plus) and have enough dirt on all of them roto-root out a significant amount of the crooked congresscritters/bureaucracies/lobby-bribers and other entrenched corruption. Perhaps even unplug the festering DC Toilet. The FBI's organized-crime-loving and dress-wearing J Edgar Hoover famously had enough dirt on congress and high-level bureaucrats to control them. He set the standard. Like the Obama, Mueller, Comey, Strozk et al abuse, Trump’s team is now growing in surveillance power, likely enough for mutually assured destruction of many of the corrupt philistines. And he can sway enough votes to dislodge those crooked "republicans" who would collaborate to remove him.

Fantasy Defense presented about, and to, each crooked congresscritter during impeachment hearings:
“you would vote to impeach me, while you took bribes, got million$ in secret partnerships, became rich on a congressional/government salary, leaked classified information and cheated on your spouse?

It would be good for the Republic to clean out all the dishonest weasel-crooks, and start over.

#4.1.1 jaybird on 2018-07-26 13:51 (Reply)

Trump has played a much rougher game in the NY real estate market than our political class has in their DC game.

And they keep thinking he's stupid, while they're being outmaneuvered by him.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if he's got nice little packages on everyone in the House and Senate, ready to go. "This is what we've got. Man, I look like a choirboy compared to you. Really want this to get to media that isn't controlled?"

#4.1.1.1 JLawson on 2018-07-26 14:23 (Reply)

Very true. A millionaire/billionaire in NYC in the '80s, '90s, and '00s isn't going have a virginal past.

I'm MUCH more interested in what he's actually done in the real world, and what he's doing now.

I believe what the left (and a majority of the political establishment) hates is that he's NOT just making promises, he's keeping them - and by extension showing our political class as ineffective clowns.

#4.2 JLawson on 2018-07-26 12:09 (Reply)

As someone said on Twitter, if it turns out to be true that Trump slept with a Playboy model, his approval rating will go up 5 points.

LOL. I tend to agree.

I really don't give a damn what Trump did in his personal life. The media is trying to destroy his marriage...sick people. This is NOT news. It is gossip. Thought that was only for the likes of the National Enquirer...

#4.2.1 MissT on 2018-07-26 12:25 (Reply)

MissT
News Flash!!! Trump, Eisenhower, JFK, RFK, Teddy Kennedy, Gary Hart, Slick Willie “can’t keep the big dog on the porch” Clinton, Hillary Clinton, Antony Weiner, Jeffery Epstein, and Harvey Weinstein all seem to be biologically attracted to females. Some only with consent, others by force, some together, some sepatately. On the other hand, Truman, Nixon and Obama, not so much.

I don't know if Trump's approval would go up 5 points, but it certainly didn't hurt the Kennedy clan or slick willie.

#4.2.1.1 jaybird on 2018-07-26 14:11 (Reply)

AssistantVillageIdiot pretty much wrote what I was thinking as I read that specious piece on " swapping sides ". It reads to me as written by someone that " learned " of that era in school and wasn't either alive in the 90's or an adult. The argument doesn't pass, as you'd have a hard time with me pinning who was conservatives voice in the 90s except for Newt... and he blew that by '98 Clinton was accused of rape and coercion prior to becoming POTUS, not just affairs. Then he had his affair, while in office, in the freaking oval office and laughed it off... still, it was the lying about Paula Jones, that was on top of all the others.. and the Democrats couldn't have been more supportive.

I think the proper reflection should be on how the MSM is framing each narrative.. and in that, you see this Examiner piece playing it's part... equating 10 year old allegations as on par with what Clinton did. #neverTrumpers gonna #neverTrump.

#5 UncleMax on 2018-07-26 12:34 (Reply)

I've been to Seattle a number of times. The biggest parking lot in town is I-5.

#6 Sam L. on 2018-07-26 13:25 (Reply)

That is the truth. I go through Seattle from time to time and picking the right time and day is everything.

Regarding parking. It looked to me as though the author was advocating that cities stop building parking and reduce street parking. It appeared to simply be the classic left wing view of cars. Fine! If the city puts a lot of restrictions on parking the suburban malls will thank you. I live near a city that put restrictions on parking for exactly the left wing reason theorizing it would be better if everyone rode a bike or the bus. All the downtown stores are now boarded up. The city council is mystified in between banning bags and straws.

#6.1 Anon on 2018-07-26 15:01 (Reply)

It appeared to simply be the classic left wing view of cars.

Love the binary rightism.

Modern urbanism is a blight and a curse and the automobile culture is one of isolation and hostility. You'd think the neo-traditionalists on the ostensible right would realize how badly modern life maligns community and reject them outright.

https://twitter.com/wrathofgnon/status/1021593432911831040

#6.1.1 Meh on 2018-07-27 02:32 (Reply)

Poor Max Boot:
I'm taken back to my childhood when my Mom had to drive past Sid Row. We would see bearded men on corners carrying "The end is nigh!" signs.

So much drama; so little time.

As for the Catholic thing; it's been going on, both ways, since the 60s. I would think all the adults in the room are pretty much immune.

#7 Exasperated (Link) on 2018-07-26 13:26 (Reply)

Poor Max Boot:
I'm taken back to my childhood when my Mom had to drive past Sid Row. We would see bearded men on corners carrying "The end is nigh!" signs.
So much drama; so little time.
As for the Catholic thing; it's been going on, both ways, since the 60s. I would think all the adults in the room are pretty much immune.

#8 Exasperated on 2018-07-26 13:27 (Reply)

Sorry, Am I the only one that routinely gets "failed to post" messages from the spam filter.

#9 Exasperated on 2018-07-26 13:30 (Reply)

Richard Florida? Seriously?

That guy is wrong so often, he makes climate scientists look respectable.

What's w/ the dodgy articles this week?

#10 DrTorch on 2018-07-26 13:54 (Reply)

What the party hierarchies, the government class, the media, the donor class, and the hangers on just don't get is that it wasn't about liking Trump, but about rejecting them. Today's events in Granite City IL say it all. This day was never on the agenda of our betters, rather the opposite.

#11 Exasperated on 2018-07-26 16:53 (Reply)

Pam Gellers blog has a shortcut to a Daniel Greenfield piece in which he claims that it was far more likely that the Russians that were supposedly interfering would have far preferred giving support to Bernie. Bernie's national socialism better aligns with current Russia, Russia, Russia, scenario than trying to support Trump who is no where near supporting the socialist mandate. Maybe Hillary's globalist putsch appeared to stir up too much trouble in the world that the Russians didn't like. More Libya's, more Serbia's, more NATO and CIA in Ukraine, Georgia, and the Baltics.

#12 indyjonesouthere on 2018-07-26 18:51 (Reply)

indyjonesouthere: Pam Gellers blog has a shortcut to a Daniel Greenfield piece in which he claims that it was far more likely that the Russians that were supposedly interfering would have far preferred giving support to Bernie.

No. They supported Bernie to damage Clinton, who, when the so-called reset failed, came out strongly for Russian sanctions.

indyjonesouthere: Bernie's national socialism better aligns with current Russia, Russia, Russia, scenario than trying to support Trump who is no where near supporting the socialist mandate.

Bernie is not a "national socialist", a term you wield as a slur. Redefining terminology doesn't constitute an argument.

#12.1 Zachriel on 2018-07-27 10:05 (Reply)

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