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Tuesday, July 24. 2018

Tuesday morning links

The Vindication of Cheese, Butter, and Full-Fat Milk - A new study exonerates dairy fats as a cause of early death, even as low-fat products continue to be misperceived as healthier.


 Most in US think cannabis has health benefits, despite lack of data 


Portrait of an Artist as an Old Man: Mel Brooks in His 90s. The comic has stormed though 75 years of show business; he remains prodigal in expression, memory, and imagination.


 The Rise And Rise Of The UK’s Student Sugar Babies


Prof Boudreaux hates economic nationalism 


The problem, Prof, is that all countries practice it 


 Despite getting no respect, US manufacturing is alive and well with record output at falling prices



What liberals (still) get wrong about Trump's support - After each outrage, progressives believe supporters will drain away. On the contrary: he is giving them what they want


 It's been nearly two years since Hillary lost. Let's look on Twitter to see how her supporters are handling the loss.


VDH:  Just How Far Will the Left Go?


Sanctuary for felons:  WHAT DO VOTERS CARE ABOUT? ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION, FOR ONE THING


 Trump Didn’t Betray America. He Wants To Restore The Old U.S.-Russia Alliance.


ALL THE PRESIDENT’S HACKS: MEDIA FAKE NEWS FUELED OBAMA’S WATERGATE FISA application shows how the media allowed Obama to eavesdrop on Republicans.


 Yes, There Could Be Serious Legal Problems if Obama Admin Involved in Illegal Surveillance


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Mr Hamblin, of The Atlantic, grudgingly acknowledges that full-fat dairy products are perfectly healthy, but his real agenda is revealed as an incoherent one of enforced veganism, with unsupported claims of the nutritional value of high-fibre plant foods (healthy-looking vegans are uncommon, in my limited experience of them). He also seems to think that deforestation and climate change are parallel phenomena. On the contrary, a rise in global temperatures, combined with increased atmospheric CO2, would logically lead to an increased rate of plant growth, consequently reducing the demand for land area, and thus permitting more land availability for aforestation and wildlife. So-called environmentalism is less about the environment and much more about social control.
#1 DeGaulle on 2018-07-24 08:18 (Reply)
everything is better with butter.

It was designed as part of the pre-paleo-diet for "early" humans.
#1.1 jaybird on 2018-07-24 13:05 (Reply)
Short version: Farming predated homo sapiens. Science!
#1.1.1 Meh on 2018-07-24 16:40 (Reply)
QUOTE:
Analysis of more than 2,440 men found that those with a high protein intake faced a 33 per cent increased risk of developing heart failure, where the organ is unable to pump sufficient blood and oxygen around the body.

[...]

In fact the results of the study showed that the only proteins not associated with heart failure were those derived from fish and eggs.

[...]

Meanwhile the increased risk for people consuming a high amount of dairy protein was 49 per cent and 17 per cent for those consuming a lot of plant protein

[...]

For the new research, scientists examined 2,441 men, age 42 to 60, at the study's start and followed them for an average 22 years.

Overall, they found 334 cases of heart failure were diagnosed during the study and 70 percent of the protein consumed was from animal sources and 27.7 percent from plant sources.


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2018/05/29/atkins-diet-may-cause-heart-failure-major-new-protein-study/

Let the excuses begin...

Those who ate the most protein from animal sources had a 43 per cent higher risk of heart failure compare to those in the study who ate the least.
#2 Meh on 2018-07-24 09:32 (Reply)
Fake statistics, fake studies. The percentages impress people who have no idea how the study is done or who do not understand statistics. The world is full of "effects" with unknown "causes". Most heart disease is genetic. If you are genetically predisposed to have heart disease eating a vegan diet won't save you. Conversely if you are not genetically predisposed to have heart disease eating all the meat and dairy you want won't cause one.
#2.1 Anon on 2018-07-24 11:10 (Reply)
I realize this is where your biases arbitrarily accuse reality of being biased, and I also realize that shrieking them is part of your reality, but you're so discredited here it's amusing.

There are hundreds - hundreds - of scientific studies showing that the plant diet is, not surprisingly for frugivore species and their derivatives, not only original but healthiest. By contrast the Paleo-bacon-triple-fat-burger is a modern creation. I peg it at 50 years, plus or minus.

Given the spontaneous self-evidence of the utterly impossibility of you formulating fake anything, I look forward to your exhaustive analysis of man's leap from primate to wild cat in the space of a few tens of thousands of years while never showing the slightest evidence of it whatsoever.
#2.1.1 Meh on 2018-07-24 11:42 (Reply)
STUDY: Women Don’t Want to Date Vegetarian Men

https://pjmedia.com/trending/study-women-dont-want-to-date-vegetarian-men/
#2.1.1.1 feeblemind on 2018-07-24 11:59 (Reply)
STUDY: But Women LOVE Fallacious Lifestyle-Obsessionists.

https://pmjedia.com/trending/study-gawd-but-I-look-effing-fabulous-nekkid-you-commies!/
#2.1.1.1.1 Meh on 2018-07-24 12:29 (Reply)
Everything in moderation. Even meat, veggies, dairy, etc. can have a negative effect if you eat too much of it. My sister's skin turned yellow when she was 2 or 3 because she ate so many carrots!

Personally, I cannot cram my stomach full of protein all day long. I have a fill point where I just don't want to eat anymore of it.

Cheese, same thing.

Who can eat 12 eggs at a time without wanting to stop eating eggs?

People need to pay attention to signals from their own bodies. I have also noticed that every single meal comes with way to many carbs...a bun, a roll on the side, rice, potatoes, etc.

Eat a variety and you will be fine.
#2.2 MissT on 2018-07-24 12:47 (Reply)
I absolutely agree that eating a variety of foods is good advice. But unless you have some illness that requires a specific diet I simply don't see how too much carbs OR protein is bad for you. I didn't say ONLY carbs or protein but simply eating too much. My favorite lunch is a loaf of French bread with real butter. Second favorite is the super size theater popcorn. The local theater actually knows me now when I come in at noon and want popcorn they know what I want. I can also eat about a dozen of Safeway's chocolate chip cookies and milk for lunch. And then there is my standby of a large (14 oz) bag of potato chips. Usually my dinner meals are more traditional but lunch is typically junk food. Again I fail to see how that hurts me.
#2.2.1 Anon on 2018-07-24 18:11 (Reply)
Sample size too small to be statistically significant. It is contradicted by a ten-year study of over 134,000 people in 20 different developing countries (generally avoiding the dissonance that is caused in developed countries by over-eating) and published in The Lancet last November, the gist of which was that the consumption of animal protein, and more particularly fats, led to longer life outcomes than carbohydrate-based diets.
#2.3 DeGaulle on 2018-07-24 17:47 (Reply)
Bull. The largest study in human history exactly correlated diet and health outcomes. Hundreds of others show the same clear, unmistakable trend.

The paleo myth is the biggest and most unnatural food fad there is. Like I said, show me when man became a cat after evolving from apes and never showed one feline characteristic.
#2.3.1 Meh on 2018-07-24 17:51 (Reply)
Most studies are done with the bias already built in and sure enough the study proves their bias. The typical "large" study predictably produces results all over the map and anyone can draw almost any conclusion from by leaving things out and only showing what supports their conclusions. Mostly the studies simply prove that an adequate diet is necessary and none of the fad diets (vegan.vegetarian, etc.) are of any value. If you get all your MDR's and sufficient calories that is all that is necessary. Exceptions are that those people with genetic diseases that are affected by diet must follow that diet. Other than that it is all pure BS.
#2.3.1.1 Anon on 2018-07-24 18:17 (Reply)
Your fundamental assertion is that science does not exist but your anecdotal assumptions are real.

Also as asked and left predictably unanswered, show your proof that man somehow evolved into a cat after evolving from an ape. Obviously, frugivores are hardly "faddish" in the sense that they are frugivores. Faddism, on the other hand, is homo sapiens magically bio-hacking his way to hot dogs.

As I said before, you discredit yourself.
#2.3.1.1.1 Meh on 2018-07-24 18:52 (Reply)
My fundamental assertion is that statistics can be manipulated to prove or disprove almost anything. AND that 99% of people have no interest in these studies and the ONLY people who do have a bias and manipulate the data to "prove" their biases. It isn't "science" is is pure BS. It is a perversion of science.

Almost all of these "revelations" are the result of data dredging by dishonest people.

A data dredge: is the misuse of data analysis to find patterns in data that can be presented as statistically significant when in fact there is no real underlying effect. This is done by performing many statistical tests on the data and only paying attention to those that come back with significant results, instead of stating a single hypothesis about an underlying effect before the analysis and then conducting a single test for it.
#2.3.1.1.1.1 Anon on 2018-07-24 19:14 (Reply)
-Your "fundamental assertion" is evidently whatever confirms your bias, and cannot in any sense be that this or any other science is inherently faulty. You can claim that the studies you don't like are biased but to do so ad hoc and universally only denies science, which is obviously a faulty position. Meanwhile you eat junk food and expect that to be a standard - with your bias real finding is out and personal anecdote, if it even rises to that, is in.

-You can't fundamentally assert that "statistics can be manipulated" by "dishonest people" any more than you can impute motive.

-The same holds true for the baldfaced claim that there is no underlying effect when science like this is done.

Three obvious fallacies don't help whatever confirmation bias you're on about. That kind of desperate baselessness only discredits you.
#2.3.1.1.1.1.1 Meh on 2018-07-24 20:12 (Reply)
You seem ignorant of what science is and what fallacies are. But the good news is that you are intimately aware of what bias is.

If you really are unaware/ignorant of data dredges and how they pervert science I suggest you look it up and enlighten yourself. You have been taken in and simply don't know it. I am embarrassed for you. What a shame when you discover that all these years of eating broccoli and kale thinking it was healthful and only to finally realize you could have eaten bacon and steak and be healthier.
#2.3.1.1.1.1.1.1 Anon on 2018-07-24 21:42 (Reply)
Right. You've concluded that you alone define a whole new degree of special insight and brilliant new ways of categorizing intellect. The world shall doubtless now pivot to you about many things. You should monetize that.

Fruitcake.
#2.3.1.1.1.1.1.1.1 Meh on 2018-07-24 23:39 (Reply)
From Victor Davis Hanson's Just How Far Will the Left Go? piece:

QUOTE:
Democrats privately acknowledge that Obama wrecked the Democratic Party—losing Congress, the presidency, state and local offices, and now the Supreme Court. But they must praise the forces of that wreckage and seek to trump them by becoming the party of hyper-identity politics. In other words, the Democrats know what sort of agenda might bring them back into power as it did in 1992. But they feel that Clintonesque cure is worse than the disease of being in the purer political wilderness without power.

Yes, indeed, the leftists (most of them Democrats) have no choice but celebrate/double down on said wrecking, as to do otherwise would be uhh ... impure. They're going to have to hit bottom before they get better, though I just hope they don't %$#@ the dog too badly on their way down.

It's always this way with leftists and their confounding secular religion: Common-sense (i.e., survival-based!) rejection of leftism calls for, you guessed it, ever more, ever purer leftism. A "nuanced", "reality-based" community that rages - unsuccessfully - against reality every single &%^$ing day.
#3 Bill Carson on 2018-07-24 10:31 (Reply)
Bill Carson: A "nuanced", "reality-based" community that rages - unsuccessfully - against reality every single &%^$ing day.

You do realize the origins of the term "reality-based community"? It comes from a previous Republican administration. They were bragging they weren't beholden to reality because they were "creating their own reality". Trump, of course, is an extreme example of people who eschew "judicious study of discernible reality" and prefer to make it up as he goes along.
#3.1 Zachriel on 2018-07-24 10:48 (Reply)
Zzzz: ...and prefer to make it up as he goes along.

Kinda like you kiddiez?
#3.1.1 drowningpuppies on 2018-07-24 11:05 (Reply)
On cue, with some raging!
#3.1.2 Bill Carson on 2018-07-24 11:10 (Reply)
And you do realize that Obama wrecked the Democratic Party? A sense of scale would lead one to see that as a more important point than, say, that regarding the origin of the term "reality-based community". But to do so would require a greater willingness to embrace reality than your average lefty can muster.
#3.1.3 Bill Carson on 2018-07-24 11:16 (Reply)
Sane Person: Trump and his side are packing the Supreme Court with conservatives.

Zachriel: So what? The stupid &^%$ers don't know the origin of "the reality-based community"!

Sane Person: Uhhh, yeah.
#3.1.4 Bill Carson on 2018-07-24 11:27 (Reply)
Bill, good format.
Sane Person" "Trump is appointing sane people the Supreme Court."

Zack: GLOBAL WARMING will FLOOD the Supreme Court. HILLARY DESERVED $140 Million bribe to sell uranium to the Russians as part of her "reset".
There is NO PROOF Obama sent $billions in unmarked bills in the dark of night in unregistered planes so his government friends in Iran could continue to sponsor terrorism.

Sane Person: "Tell George Soros you need a raise for your creativity"
#3.1.4.1 jaybird on 2018-07-24 12:44 (Reply)
Thanks, jaybird, but I've found a glaring (uhhhh ... unrealistic) flaw in my format: I have a sane person - even if only hypothetically - engaged in a back-and-forth with Zachriel Ariel.

P.S. My daughters used to be crazy about 'The Little Mermaid'.
#3.1.4.1.1 Bill Carson on 2018-07-24 14:18 (Reply)
Bill Carson: Sane Person: Trump and his side are packing the Supreme Court with conservatives.

Sane Person: The people who led the U.S. into one disaster after another bragged about being non-reality-based, and eschewed "judicious study of discernible reality".

Insane Person: Let's do that again!
#3.1.4.2 Zachriel on 2018-07-24 15:53 (Reply)
Sane Person: Hillary Clinton was a terrible candidate.

Zachriel: Hold my beer.
#3.1.4.2.1 Bill Carson on 2018-07-24 16:01 (Reply)
The refreshing taste of genuine Manchurian brand beer.
#3.1.4.2.1.1 Meh on 2018-07-24 16:30 (Reply)
Manchurian ... If you've got the time other people's money, we've got the beer ...
#3.1.4.2.1.1.1 Bill Carson on 2018-07-24 16:40 (Reply)
Unknowns were maaade for Man-chur-i-an.
#3.1.4.2.1.1.1.1 Meh on 2018-07-24 16:43 (Reply)
Zachriel: There's no evidence to contradict our assertion that Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez has lived in the Bronx since prior to the Devonian Period, nor our assertion that she is the female reincarnation of the linear superposition of Adam Smith, Milton Friedman, and John Maynard Keynes

Sane Person: Can I buy some pot from you, Zachriel?
#3.1.4.2.1.2 Bill Carson on 2018-07-24 16:36 (Reply)
Sane Person: It's been a good several hours, and Zachriel hasn't yet returned serve in canonical full retard fashion ...

Zachriel: People ... Disaster ... led ... non-reality-based ... eschewed ... Huff, puff ... This is the big one! I'm coming, Elizabeth!

Other Sane Person: By gum, that Zachriel chap waves his hands to beat hell!
#3.1.4.2.2 Bill Carson on 2018-07-24 16:13 (Reply)
Yes, that was the origin of the phrase. The meaning changed rapidly and no longer describes the same phenomenon. Words do that, especially when phrases are new. See "privilege" and "politically correct" as other examples.
#3.1.5 Assistant Village Idiot (Link) on 2018-07-24 11:46 (Reply)
Heh. I'm so old I remember the virtuous "celebrate diversity" slogan before it became socially-illegal to notice diversity.
#3.1.5.1 Meh on 2018-07-24 12:44 (Reply)
Assistant Village Idiot: The meaning changed rapidly and no longer describes the same phenomenon.

Well, there is a jargon found within the right-wing echochamber, if that is what you mean. Sorta like how the Nazis were leftists, and all leftists are authoritarians and all authoritarians are leftists.

Keep in mind that Trump insisted that Obama may not have been a real American, and Trump's was bigliest inaugural crowd ever.
#3.1.5.2 Zachriel on 2018-07-24 16:02 (Reply)
Keep in mind that Trump insisted that Obama was not a real competent.
#3.1.5.2.1 Bill Carson on 2018-07-24 16:27 (Reply)
Nazis are socialists just like the communists...the only difference is Nazis and Fascists micromanaged business while the communists just took over the businesses. They were both government planned economies. Communists were international socialist and Fascist/Nazis were national socialists. And right there you see the only difference between Bernie (national socialist) and Hillary. (international socialist)
#3.1.5.2.2 indyjonesouthere on 2018-07-24 16:34 (Reply)
How dare you imply bad things about Bernie!

Contrary to what the right-wing echo chamber would have you believe, evidence contradicting our assertion - that Mr. Sanders did 37 minutes of actual work (assembling hash brownies) back in 1968 - simply does not exist.
#3.1.5.2.2.1 Bill Carson on 2018-07-24 16:51 (Reply)
It sure helps explain why Hillary and Bernie supporters didn't care for each other too much and why Hillary always got the answers to the "test" ahead of time.
#3.1.5.2.2.1.1 indyjonesouthere on 2018-07-24 16:55 (Reply)
indyjonesouthere: Nazis are socialists just like the communists.

Case in point.
#3.1.5.2.2.2 Zachriel on 2018-07-24 17:09 (Reply)
And another point...they are authoritarians and have the body count to prove it along with the Islamic authoritarians.
#3.1.5.2.2.2.1 indyjonesouthere on 2018-07-24 18:20 (Reply)
Well, there is a jargon found within the right-wing echochamber, if that is what you mean. Sorta like how the Nazis were leftists..

As NAZI is an acronym for National Socialist Workers' Party, it would appear there is some bit of concrete fact behind what you call an "echochamber." Consider what Dr. Joseph Goebbels, Hitler's chief propagandist had to say. Wikiquiote:Joseph Goebbels
QUOTE:
Lenin is the greatest man, second only to Hitler, and that the difference between Communism and the Hitler faith is very slight.

As quoted in The New York Times, “Hitlerite Riot in Berlin: Beer Glasses Fly When Speaker Compares Hitler to Lenin,” November 28, 1925 (Goebbels' speech Nov. 27, 1925)
Or these:
QUOTE:
…we can see the commencement of our own national and socialist survival in an alliance with a truly national and socialist Russia.
National Socialist Letters (NS-Briefe), Nov 15, 1925

Capitalism is the immoral distribution of capital… Germany will become free at that moment when the thirty millions on the left and the thirty millions on the right make common cause. Only one movement is capable of doing this: National Socialism, embodied in one Führer – Adolf Hitler.
Goebbels’ “Lenin or Hitler” speech first delivered on September 17, 1925

The money pigs of capitalist democracy… Money has made slaves of us… Money is the curse of mankind. It smothers the seed of everything great and good. Every penny is sticky with sweat and blood.
Quoted in The Nazi Party: A Complete History 1919-1945, Dietrich Orlow, New York: NY, Enigma Books, 2012, p 61. Goebbels’ article, “Nationalsozialisten aus Berlin und aus dem Reich”, Voelkischer Beobachter, Feb. 4, 1927

One class has fulfilled its historical mission and is about to yield to another. The bourgeoisie has to yield to the working class ... Whatever is about to fall should be pushed. We are all soldiers of the revolution. We want the workers' victory over filthy lucre. That is socialism.
Quoted in Doctor Goebbels: His Life and Death, Roger Manvell, Heinrich Fraenkel, New York, NY, Skyhorse Publishing, 2010 p. 25, conversation with Hertha Holk

The social is a stopgap. Socialism is the ideology of the future.
Open Letter to Ernst Graf zu Reventlow in the Völkische Freiheit, 1925, as quoted in Goebbels: A Biography, Peter Longerich, Random House, 2015, p. 55
echochambers???
#3.1.5.2.3 Gringo on 2018-07-25 13:03 (Reply)
Gringo: As NAZI is an acronym for National Socialist Workers' Party, it would appear there is some bit of concrete fact behind what you call an "echochamber."

You are conflating socialist with leftist.

There is no reasonable doubt that fascists called for a strictly hierarchical society, with some races above others, other nations deserving of being conquered and enslaved, and a single authoritarian leader with all political power. That puts them on the extreme right.
#3.1.5.2.3.1 Zachriel on 2018-07-25 15:12 (Reply)
There is no reasonable doubt that fascists Nazis...
#3.1.5.2.3.1.1 Zachriel on 2018-07-25 15:27 (Reply)
"The phrase was quickly reappropriated to criticize the Administration for "faith-based" wishful thinking.[1] This meaning of reality-based community eclipsed the phrase's original intention and is used this way by both the political left, which uses it in a positive sense, and right, which uses it ironically."

I remember when it was VERY popular on CommonDreams and the like. However, their 'reality' seemed to be based on agreement, and had little to do with actual Reality as it bites you in the ass.
#3.1.6 JLawson on 2018-07-24 11:55 (Reply)
As far as they can, and then, FARTHER.
#3.2 Sam L. on 2018-07-24 11:26 (Reply)
"They were bragging they weren't beholden to reality because they were "creating their own reality"."


Not remotely what Suskind was talking about in the letter referenced in the link you gave. If you're going to provide a link in support of your argument, you should at least provide one that actually supports it in context and to someone with comprehension skills beyond that of a middle schooler.

Amazing how a community that claims to be "reality-based" can so consistently wring false meanings out of straightforward statements. But that's always been the left's playbook and they are very good at it.

You're having another off day. Of course when you share opinions with folks like old Zbigniew it's tough to have a good one.
#3.3 SK on 2018-07-24 11:44 (Reply)
QUOTE:
Amazing how a community that claims to be "reality-based" can so consistently wring false meanings out of straightforward statements. But that's always been the left's playbook and they are very good at it.

Game. Set. Match.
#3.3.1 Bill Carson on 2018-07-24 14:10 (Reply)
Game. Set. Match.

Truthiness.
#3.3.2 Zachriel on 2018-07-24 16:05 (Reply)
Truthiness^2
#3.3.2.1 Bill Carson on 2018-07-24 16:24 (Reply)
Never underestimate the power of truthiness.
#3.3.2.1.1 Zachriel on 2018-07-24 18:25 (Reply)
"A new study exonerates dairy fats as a cause of early death"
How do you determine if a death is early? You would have to know when a person was supposed to die. The doctors are always claiming something or other causes premature death.
#4 Ray on 2018-07-24 11:44 (Reply)
If you get hit by a bus while crossing the street eating a cheeseburger, I supposed they could claim you were an early death through both dairy and red meat...?
#4.1 JLawson on 2018-07-24 11:57 (Reply)
Hey, if you were hit by a beer truck, they could claim alcohol was a factor in your death too.
#4.1.1 JJM on 2018-07-24 12:35 (Reply)
If one were hit by a beer truck while eating a (medium rare) cheeseburger and frolicking with the Swedish bikini team.

And having already set the women's suffrage movement back several centuries, this probably can't do any further damage. Missing both the cheeseburger and the beer truck, but still something to shoot for.
#4.1.1.1 Bill Carson on 2018-07-24 14:02 (Reply)
If you are hit and killed by an illegal alien in NY the good news is governor Cuomo will pardon the driver.
#4.1.1.1.1 Anon on 2018-07-24 21:45 (Reply)
QUOTE:
Prof Boudreaux hates economic nationalism

Bird Dog:The problem, Prof, is that all countries practice it

And nearly all modern countries attempt to rise above short-sighted economic nationalism, to the greater prosperity of most everyone.

This is modeled in game theory as the prisoners dilemma, with various penalties and benefits for cooperation or defection. When played once, defection is most typical, but when iterated, people can build reputations and develop relationships based on trust. Relationships between people and nations are based on a history of cooperation or defection.

The U.S. has been the foundation of the international system since WWII. Because of the reservoir of trust built over generations, U.S. allies and trading partners act as a force multiplier. Trump is defecting, eroding this force multiplier.
#5 Zachriel on 2018-07-24 18:39 (Reply)
^ Looks like the CS-SR(s) new Gaslighting Plugin 2500 is up and running and augmenting the Reality Inversion v1 engine just fine.
#5.1 Meh on 2018-07-24 20:20 (Reply)
The US has been a patsy to foreign producers. It made sense immediately after WWII in order for Europe to get back on its feet but the current European tariff scheme is in place to protect their inability to compete. The Chinese, Japan, Korea, and Europe protect their industries with high tariffs and then whine if we reciprocate with tariffs to match theirs. Trump is the only president since WWII to call them on their tariff game. There is no reservoir of trust and the Europeans defected to utopian politics decades ago. You want NATO to protect you but more than 70 years after the war you still can't afford 2%. They are welfare queens who think that they can't possibly get cut off of Russian oil if it would suit the Russians in the future and to top it off they imported the most toxic religion in the world inside their borders. Europeans are suicidal.
#5.2 indyjonesouthere on 2018-07-24 20:28 (Reply)
Yup, at the least.

You'd think the CS-SR(s)'s amazing Google-fu would relate to some vestigial interest in observable facts. Guess not.

[i]President Trump is disrupting decades of multinational financial interests who use the U.S. as a host for their ideological endeavors. President Trump is confronting multinational corporations and the global constructs of economic systems that were put in place to the detriment of the host (USA) ie. YOU...[/quote]

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/07/24/president-trump-confronts-multinational-big-ag-proposes-bridge-subsidy-to-break-up-controlled-markets-and-exploitative-contract-farming/
#5.2.1 Meh on 2018-07-24 20:35 (Reply)

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