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Thursday, July 5. 2018

Thursday morning links





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The Time covers are self explanatory. What is incredible is the press keeps insisting that they are not manufacturing fake news. The press in this country has always manufactured fake news. They have always leaned left. They have always told "white" lies and not told us significant facts that were inconvenient for their agenda. They were complicit in scuttling the Vietnam war. Sure! I'm with you if you think we never should have gone to Vietnam but while we were there it would have been nice if our press was honest. I have often wondered that since the media made the entire war worse and encouraged the NV how many of our soldiers did they kill with their resistance and propaganda. Now they seem to want to continue killing Americans. The illegal aliens kill about 3000 people in America each year and our press is all in to open our borders and make this a shithole country. Why? Cu bono?
#1 GoneWithTheWind on 2018-07-05 09:46 (Reply)
Who benefits? Good question indeed.

I think there are those who looked at the USSR and thought "You know, that's the wave of the future - as long as me, my family and my friends are in the top ranks." They didn't get that the culture they already in were in was advancing to a point where the nomenklatura's privileges and retail access were outshined by what everyone could get - that just made things worse because EVERYONE could get what the 'Elite' had with some effort. And what good is being 'Elite' if everyone could get the same things?

So you've got to create an underclass so you can be 'Elite'. You've got to crash the economy so there'll be a 'have-not' class. Make things bad and the folks with money and connections will be SPECIAL. You've got to educate the underclass badly so the 'Elite' schools will have prestige, because THAT was important in their eyes. Make the elite schools hideously expensive, both to keep out the riff-raff and be another signifier of how upper-crust you are by being able to send your offspring to a school that cost $250k+ for a degree. And so what if they get a degree in 'Gender Studies'? It's not like they'll HAVE to work for a living, after all. A degree is a degree - whether it's in Chemistry, Math, Engineering, or Gender Studies.

People will pay a LOT and do a a massive amount of counterproductive things to increase their 'status' among their acquaintances. The benefit is that they can believe they're 'better - which is all that counts as far as they're concerned.
#1.1 JLawson on 2018-07-05 10:23 (Reply)
GoneWithTheWind: The Time covers are self explanatory. What is incredible is the press keeps insisting that they are not manufacturing fake news.

Time may be arguably biased (though it can be argued that they depict Trump's presidency so far), that doesn't make it fake news, "deliberate misinformation or hoaxes".

JLawson: I think there are those who looked at the USSR and thought "You know, that's the wave of the future

Yes, Trump does seem to be awfully cozy with Putin and other autocrats, while distancing himself from long-time democratic allies. For instance, he wants to invite Russia back into the G-7, says North Korea's dictator is honorable, and that Canada's democratic leader is dishonest. Trump may even recognize the forced annexation of Crimea.
#1.2 Zachriel on 2018-07-05 11:42 (Reply)
^ Pedantry Module 2000, engage!
#1.2.1 Meh on 2018-07-05 13:02 (Reply)
Believe the new Obtuse Module 2018 along with the Abstruse Module 2018 will begin to kick in shortly.
Hope they don't blow a circuit.
#1.2.1.1 drowningpuppies on 2018-07-05 13:12 (Reply)
They say power is cheap on a China Sea island, dp, although the wires strung through the windows would concern a normal human people person back in civilization.
#1.2.1.1.1 Meh on 2018-07-05 15:42 (Reply)
Yet during Obama's feckless reign of error, coziness with the Iranian mullahs and the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt and Libya was hailed by the Zzzz and media as a new era in diplomacy.

Back to your sandbox, kiddiez.
Y'all are losing another argument.
#1.2.2 drowningpuppies on 2018-07-05 13:06 (Reply)
Yeah, Trump cozies up to Putin by killing his soldiers, approves lethal arms sales to Ukraine, building up the military, closed Russian consulates and annexes in the US, and targeted Putin allies under the Magnitsky Act.

Compared to that anti-Russian Obama who scrapped Bush's missile defense plan in Poland; cozied up to Russia's ally, Iran; sent blankets to Ukraine when they asked for military support we promised them; he knew the Russians were trying to interfere with the '16 election and did nothing; and famously told Putin that if he was reelected, he could be much more flexible with Russia.

As for what Trump has said about tyrants, words are rather cheap. The actions of Obama with the largest state sponsor of terrorism such as allowing Hezbollah to smuggle cocaine into the US was detrimental to US citizens.
#1.2.3 mudbug on 2018-07-05 13:09 (Reply)
And the Obama administration didn't attempt to block the hacking of the political system as was recently exposed and they were really cozy with the Uranium 1 deal and look at all the "donations" made to the Clinton connection by the Russians. And why did they make special arrangements to allow know Russian spies into the US? For the Russia, Russia, Russia narrative? The Obama, Clinton and DNC apparatus have known and unknown close connections to the totalitarian Marxist and Islamic states. You would think they were trying to keep up with the Roosevelt and Harry Hopkins clique.
#1.2.3.1 indyjonesouthere on 2018-07-05 14:32 (Reply)
Butwhataboutism!
#1.2.3.2 Zachriel on 2018-07-05 17:55 (Reply)
^ Roboticism!
#1.2.3.2.1 Meh on 2018-07-05 19:04 (Reply)
"Canada's democratic leader is dishonest"

He has gone back on his word. But politicians do those kinds of things. I don't think Canada is being dishonest in their dealings with us but they have taken advantage of us and would like to continue doing it. Trump is having none of it and this makes the Canadian politicians a little crazy. They will get past it and agree to a fair trade deal.

"he wants to invite Russia back into the G-7"

Keep your friends close and your enemies closer. We would be wise to continue to talk to Russia. Kicking them out of the G-8 was a silly tantrum fit by a silly politician. We can ignore Russia but we cannot ignore the consequences of ignoring Russia.


"it can be argued that they depict Trump's presidency so far"

No one with any intelligence would argue that. But even more to the point it can be argued that they totally failed to depict Obama's criminal enterprise disguised as a presidency.
#1.2.4 GoneWithTheWind on 2018-07-05 16:30 (Reply)
GoneWithTheWind: He has gone back on his word.

What word is that?

GoneWithTheWind: We can ignore Russia but we cannot ignore the consequences of ignoring Russia.

The U.S. and its allies should engage with Russia, but they can't treat Russia as working within the international system. Russia has been systematically attacking democratic institutions in the West, as well as breaking fundamental principles of sovereignty established after WWII and agreements made when the Soviet Union dissolved.

GoneWithTheWind: No one with any intelligence would argue that.

You've apparently never read Trump's twitter feed.
#1.2.4.1 Zachriel on 2018-07-05 18:00 (Reply)
Zachie-Baby, why do you come here? Go to bed.
#1.2.4.1.1 jma on 2018-07-05 21:59 (Reply)
jma: why do you come here?

For the Dylan.
#1.2.4.1.1.1 Zachriel on 2018-07-06 10:22 (Reply)
re the picture

Bias at time Magazine?

You be the judge.
#2 feeblemind on 2018-07-05 11:07 (Reply)
There's a reason Time is doing as well as it is.

Darn shame the management can't figure it out... Heh™.
#2.1 JLawson on 2018-07-05 11:29 (Reply)
As a budding politician, Ocasio-Cortez certainly has the prerequisite character, greed and hypocrisy traits to be a politician. For example:

But one waitress has a bad memory of working with Ocasio-Cortez, 28, as Ocasio-Cortez tended bar during the very busy Cinco de Mayo celebration in 2017.

At the end of the night, when it came time to split the $560 in tips she had gotten at the bar, Ocasio-Cortez gave the waitress only $50. After the waitress complained to her manager, her take was doubled to $100, a source said.

https://pagesix.com/2018/07/01/ex-co-worker-no-fan-of-democrat-darling-alexandria-ocasio-cortez/
#3 feeblemind on 2018-07-05 11:16 (Reply)
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But one waitress has a bad memory of working with Ocasio-Cortez

Yes, according to the report, most people who worked with her liked her, but not everyone. Meanwhile, did you hear that she grew up in a house, a small house, but still a house?
#3.1 Zachriel on 2018-07-05 11:37 (Reply)
Zach, where she lived is not at issue here.

She had her grubby little fingers in the till and didn't share equally with her co-workers. You, of all the commenters here at MF, should not be happy with that.
#3.1.1 feeblemind on 2018-07-05 11:55 (Reply)
feeblemind: She had her grubby little fingers in the till and didn't share equally with her co-workers

According to an anonymous co-worker. Nor do we know the usual split between the bartender and waitresses, which depend on the operation of the restaurant, such as how many customers ordered at the bar. According to the co-worker's own story, the situation was adjudicated by the manager.
#3.1.1.1 Zachriel on 2018-07-05 11:59 (Reply)
But she did "recognize" inequity at an early age.
As an adult, not so much.
The manager forced her to do the "equitable" thing.
#3.1.1.1.1 drowningpuppies on 2018-07-05 12:07 (Reply)
According to an anonymous co-worker.

Anonymous information sources are now problematic?!? Got it!
#3.1.1.1.2 Bill Carson on 2018-07-05 15:42 (Reply)
Saw that one too and wondered how in the world would any of the MSM have anything to report if it wasn't for an "anonymous" source. I guess it's different subjects, different rules.
#3.1.1.1.2.1 indyjonesouthere on 2018-07-05 15:57 (Reply)
Bill Carson: Anonymous information sources are now problematic?!?

Single sources are less reliable than multiple sources. There's no reason to doubt the person's perception of events, but as already noted, there is a lot of missing detail. Rather, it's the usual straw-grasping up with which one should not put.
#3.1.1.1.2.2 Zachriel on 2018-07-05 18:03 (Reply)
Not perception, kiddiez, fact.
Y'all admitted as much.

How does losing feel?
#3.1.1.1.2.2.1 drowningpuppies on 2018-07-05 18:30 (Reply)
She's got that 'Socialism' thing down pat. Most of the resources go to the ones at the top, and the rest are grudgingly doled out to workers to keep 'em happy.
#3.2 JLawson on 2018-07-05 11:48 (Reply)
I want to be fair to Ocasio-Cortez. She is a socialist. She shared with a co-worker and gave her $50. That is $50 more than any other socialist has ever given anyone. It would be more true to form if she beat up her co-worker and took every penny she had. After all... she is a socialist.
#3.3 GoneWithTheWind on 2018-07-05 16:33 (Reply)
NYT Against Free Speech: One more reason to despise the NYT.
#4 Sam L. on 2018-07-05 11:52 (Reply)
The magazine cover and headline angle of slanting the news was true for decades at Time and Newsweek, just for openers. A slideshow from the 1960's on would be unambiguous. Conservatives were usually presented as ominous, stupid, confused, or in trouble. Liberals were presented as happy, approachable, and accomplished. The headlines were similarly question-begging: "Bush On The Ropes" vs "Clinton Fights Back." Shameful.

@Zachriel - one individual example of a biased cover is not fake news. But taken in aggregate over decades, it qualifies. If you think there is anything arguable about the bias of Time magazine, then you share the bias. As for Ocasio-Cortez, you changed the subject again. The point was not whether people "liked" her.
#5 Assistant Village Idiot (Link) on 2018-07-05 12:10 (Reply)
Assistant Village Idiot: one individual example of a biased cover is not fake news. But taken in aggregate over decades, it qualifies.

Uh, no it doesn't, not for any reasonable definition of "fake news".

Assistant Village Idiot: If you think there is anything arguable about the bias of Time magazine, then you share the bias.

Trump's hair on fire is not an unreasonable depiction of his administration so far, and would generally be considered an editorial view, not a factual claim, though if we suppose that the Trump presidency had been exceptionally smooth and uneventful, then you might argue it was misleading. But that's not the case.

Assistant Village Idiot: As for Ocasio-Cortez, you changed the subject again. The point was not whether people "liked" her.

The exact quote is "Most of the staff at Flats Fix, the East 16th Street taco and tequila bar, say nice things about Sandy, as they knew her for the four years she worked there". No one else apparently had a problem with her tip-sharing.

Nor did we change the subject, but directly addressed the claim, saying, "Nor do we know the usual split between the bartender and waitresses, which depend on the operation of the restaurant, such as how many customers ordered at the bar. According to the co-worker's own story, the situation was adjudicated by the manager."
#5.1 Zachriel on 2018-07-05 12:47 (Reply)
QUOTE:
No one else apparently had a problem with her tip-sharing.


At least no one now who would speak up.

At least you kiddiez admit there was a problem that had to be resolved by the manager.

One would think someone that claimed to have recognized inequity at an early age shouldn't have to be forced to fairly distribute tips to her fellow workers.
#5.1.1 drowningpuppies on 2018-07-05 14:50 (Reply)
Editorial view? Except that they have billed themselves as a news magazine for decades. Journalists, I think they call themselves. That's the answer for the first objection as well. Decades of slanted coverage, of describing people, groups, and situations inaccurately, is fake news.

"... most people who worked with her liked her, but not everyone." I think that's a pretty clear illustration that you were trying to change the topic to "liking" rather than "stealing."
#5.1.2 Assistant Village Idiot (Link) on 2018-07-05 22:23 (Reply)
Assistant Village Idiot: Editorial view? Except that they have billed themselves as a news magazine for decades.

News magazines can have editorial views. The Trump covers are clearly editorials in nature.

Assistant Village Idiot: Decades of slanted coverage, of describing people, groups, and situations inaccurately, is fake news.

You have introduced no evidence that the coverage has been deliberately inaccurate. We are discussing what is essentially an editorial cartoon of Trump with his hair on fire.

Assistant Village Idiot: I think that's a pretty clear illustration that you were trying to change the topic to "liking" rather than "stealing."

Once again, we answered the issue directly. "Nor do we know the usual split between the bartender and waitresses, which depend on the operation of the restaurant, such as how many customers ordered at the bar. According to the co-worker's own story, the situation was adjudicated by the manager." Your conclusion the money was stolen is not supported.
#5.1.2.1 Zachriel on 2018-07-06 10:28 (Reply)
Assistant Village Idiot: Assistant Village Idiot: Decades of slanted coverage, of describing people, groups, and situations inaccurately, is fake news.

Everyone has a responsibility to the truth. That includes comedians such as Jon Stewart, partisan outlets such as Fox News, and most especially the President. That doesn't mean they can't have a point of view. Contrary to Trump, not liking a story doesn't make it fake news. Having a point of view doesn't make it fake news. Fake news entails deliberate deception. Russia has become an expert on selling fake news.
#5.1.2.2 Zachriel on 2018-07-06 11:02 (Reply)

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