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Tuesday, June 19. 2018

Corrupt FBI


Using their powers to effect an election? Gowdy rips into Horowitz.  This is deeply disturbing, at the top of the FBI.




Posted by The News Junkie in Hot News & Misc. Short Subjects at 17:28 | Comments (25) | Trackbacks (0)

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Now let's talk about how only the government should have guns.
#1 JK Brown on 2018-06-19 18:55 (Reply)
Or we can talk about some people's child-like faith that law enforcement abuses are just one or two bad apples, nothing systemic, as if we haven't known for thousands of years that power has a corrupting influence in the "the ends justify the means" and "if you want to make an omelet you have to break a few eggs" sort of way. Hey, they're catching the bad guys and if they have to cut a few corners to make sure they get the job done, who are we to question their decisions?

And I still find it funny that Trump has such faith in the law enforcement and intelligence communities to correctly identify threats to our national security when it seems obvious that at least some of those people identified Donald Trump as a threat to our national security. Does he know something we don't or is it just the usual comfortably-holding-two-opposing-viewpoints-at-once thing?
#1.1 Jerryskids on 2018-06-19 21:33 (Reply)
I'm not inclined to assume that law enforcement officers are biased against anyone in particular, or any race or ethnicity--unless they clearly reveal a bias in their behavior or, even more obviously, in their private and unguarded words. For instance, if the police in Ferguson were in the habit of texting each other about a firm intention of shooting the next black guy they saw on the street and then framing him for holding up a convenience store within the previous hour, I'd take seriously allegations that racial bias was the best explanation of a particular shooting of a black guy in the street. If someone did an "investigation" of the event and concluded that, yes, the police violated norms in their texts, but there nevertheless is no evidence of bias in the shooting, I'd smell a rat.
#1.1.1 Texan99 on 2018-06-19 23:47 (Reply)
How about a cop murdering an unarmed man by using a gun that has "You're Fucked" etched on the barrel:
https://boingboing.net/2016/03/30/unarmed-man-begged-for-his-lif.html

and then walking free because the shooting was "justified"?

THERE ARE NO "GOOD COPS".
#1.1.1.1 Mark Matis on 2018-06-20 08:04 (Reply)
You must not know any cops personally. Or if you do, you must have met them at the intersection of crime and punishment.
#1.1.1.1.1 Louie Miller on 2018-06-20 08:27 (Reply)
Not even REMOTELY correct. But then I suppose you're not able to pull your lips away from that filtered coffee and donuts long enough to be able to look that up.

If there were truly "only a few bad apples", why are they not gone as soon as they show themselves? That barrel is rotten to its very core.
#1.1.1.1.1.1 Mark Matis on 2018-06-20 09:41 (Reply)
Soooo, my friend, what is your solution?

Anarchy ???
#1.1.1.1.1.1.1 drowningpuppies on 2018-06-20 10:07 (Reply)
My solution is the one that was used before we got the sewage of omnipresent "Law Enforcement" in this country. Starting with actually HONORING the Constitution. But then that's too much to ask from you hive dwellers.
#1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1 Mark Matis on 2018-06-20 10:14 (Reply)
Soooo dodging the question is your solution then?

How convenient.
#1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1 drowningpuppies on 2018-06-20 10:31 (Reply)
My solution is to get rid of every "Law Enforcement" officer who dishonors their very oath of office to the Constitution. And then replace them with a far smaller number who will actually "protect and serve". But that won't fly for you hive dwellers, will it?
#1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1 Mark Matis on 2018-06-20 11:58 (Reply)
Mark Matis: If there were truly "only a few bad apples", why are they not gone as soon as they show themselves?

Most police try very hard to be fair and apply the law justly. However, it's the same problem as with child abuse in the Catholic Church. There's no accountability. Instead of removing the bad apples, at most they are shifted around, allowing them to continue to prey on the public. This undermines trust in all police, and makes the job of law enforcement even more difficult. The lack of accountability is a systemic problem that needs to be addressed.
#1.1.1.1.1.1.2 Zachriel on 2018-06-20 10:22 (Reply)
Most cops do their best impression of Sergeant Schultz when their Brothers in Blue rob, rape, or murder:

I SEE NOTHINK!!!

That is because they are largely Rove Republicans, with all the character traits of same:
No morals.
No principles.
No scruples.
No honor.
They will do WHATEVER they are told, as long as that paycheck keeps comin' in. As shown once again by this FBI treason and sedition. Or do you REALLY think that the rest of the agents didn't know what was going on?

If there were any significant number of "good cops" in agencies across this country, the sewage would be LONG gone.

And I hope that you realize how Your Betters choose their "Law Enforcement" officers. They are not about to give pig toys to ANYONE who might conceivably use same against them. Which is why they're fine with the Rove Republicans. On the other hand, they're not about to give said toys to any of Barry Sotero's gun-hugging, Bible-thumping veterans who believe in the Constitution, because Your Betters would not stay in power very long. Furthermore, they won't give those toys to your Black Panthers nor your MS-13 for the same reason. And after that, you're left with the Social Justice Whores who ship their pants at the sight of anything that might remotely look like a gun. THAT exhausts the available pool of workers.
#1.1.1.1.1.1.2.1 Mark Matis on 2018-06-20 10:34 (Reply)
Delirium is not a solution, my friend.
#1.1.1.1.1.1.2.1.1 drowningpuppies on 2018-06-20 10:40 (Reply)
You are correct. Dead pigs is the solution. For their corruption and treason. Every one of them.
#1.1.1.1.1.1.2.1.1.1 Mark Matis on 2018-06-20 11:56 (Reply)
Mark Matis: Dead pigs is the solution.

Violence begets violence. Injustice begets injustice. Your comment is beyond the Pale.
#1.1.1.1.1.1.2.1.1.1.1 Zachriel on 2018-06-20 12:35 (Reply)
Mark Matis: If there were any significant number of "good cops" in agencies across this country, the sewage would be LONG gone.

That's not how systemic problems work. Problems can persist even when most people recognize that the problems exist.

Mark Matis: That is because they are largely Rove Republicans, with all the character traits of same:
No morals.
No principles.
No scruples.
No honor.

Loyalty to what is thought to be a greater cause allows people to overlook transgressions that can sometimes, over time, undermine pursuit of that greater cause. Contradictions inherent in an organization will eventually lead to reform or rupture.

Minorities have long said they were subject to mistreatment by police. Now that video has become ubiquitous, it is clear that this mistreatment has been occurring for generations. However, the solution isn't to burn the police house down, but to implement systems to remove the bad apples.

Change is hard. Progress is accompanied with many stumbles.
#1.1.1.1.1.1.2.1.2 Zachriel on 2018-06-20 11:15 (Reply)
IMHO, Mr Matis has clearly volunteered for several prophylactic visits from mental health professionals. Will there be any follow-up here?
#2 Claritas on 2018-06-20 12:56 (Reply)
That's pretty much your standard for anyone who suggests that "Law Enforcement" ought to, you know, actually HONOR their very oath of office, isn't it, darlin'? Bless your little heart. It's truly special to see someone who loves her coffee and donuts filtered that much.
#2.1 Mark Matis on 2018-06-21 08:32 (Reply)
Mark Matis: That's pretty much your standard for anyone who suggests that "Law Enforcement" ought to, you know, actually HONOR their very oath of office

Police should honor their oath of office, and should be held accountable to that. However, you had advocated "Dead pigs is the solution. For their corruption and treason. Every one of them." In other words, death for anyone and everyone who wears blue regardless of their individual culpability.

Violence begets violence. Injustice begets injustice.
#2.1.1 Zachriel on 2018-06-21 10:18 (Reply)
And when their Brothers and Sisters in Blue look the other way and do NOTHING, to you they're not equally culpable?

I see you also have an overpowering appetite for filtered coffee and donuts.
#2.1.1.1 Mark Matis on 2018-06-21 11:29 (Reply)
Mark Matis: And when their Brothers and Sisters in Blue look the other way and do NOTHING, to you they're not equally culpable?

Loyalty to what is thought to be a greater cause (rule of law) allows people to overlook transgressions that can sometimes, over time, undermine pursuit of that greater cause. Some are convinced that the organization enforcing the law must be protected, even with its flaws. Those who speak out are often ineffective and shunted aside, weakening the organization's commitment to the greater cause. People are often faced with imperfect choices. Do you quit in protest or try to work within the system for change? Reform comes only once enough political mass is formed to enact change. In any case, the death penalty outside the rule of law is not a rational solution to finding a just and lawful solution. You are an extremist, someone who believes the imagined ends justifies the means. In fact, the means define the ends.

An historical example comes to mind. Do you try to preserve the Union, even if it means compromise with slave states? Lincoln's view was that by preserving the union, democratic forces would best ensure the survival of the republic, and so too the eventual freedom of the slave. Southern politicians agreed with Lincoln's assessment, and seceded.
#2.1.1.1.1 Zachriel on 2018-06-21 12:00 (Reply)
So by your Doublespeak definition, someone who things that a person who dishonors their very oath of office should be held accountable is an "extremist"? Well then you've got me pegged.

But then why should we expect anything more from "Law Enforcement', when the best estimate is that between 25% and 50% of the evidence and testimony they present in court is "testilying"?
#3 Mark Matis on 2018-06-21 12:25 (Reply)
Mark Matis: So by your Doublespeak definition, someone who things that a person who dishonors their very oath of office should be held accountable is an "extremist"?

We think that someone who says "Dead pigs is the solution. For their corruption and treason. Every one of them," is an extremist.
#3.1 Zachriel on 2018-06-21 12:32 (Reply)
And we think that someone who spouts "rule of law" when the original post was about abject lack of "rule of law" by the allegedly premier "Law Enforcement" agency in this country, as well as by the Department of "Justice", must especially enjoy their filtered coffee and donuts.

But then as the old saying goes:

Never try to teach a pig to sing.
It wastes your time.
And it annoys the pig.

I've wasted enough time on the pigs herein.
#3.1.1 Mark Matis on 2018-06-21 12:56 (Reply)
Mark Matis: I've wasted enough time on the pigs herein.

That's probably best, as you are advocating mass-murder. There are about one million people in the U.S. employed in law enforcement.
#3.1.1.1 Zachriel on 2018-06-21 16:07 (Reply)

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