Wednesday morning links

Don’t forget Rachel Corrie, an Evergreen State student and Pro-Palestinian Marxist who killed herself by running in front of an Israeli bulldozer.
http://www.paxety.com/Archive/20030316RachelCorrie.html
The school has been in decline for a long time.

#1 Juan Paxety (Link) on 2018-05-23 07:55 (Reply)

Thanks to reading BD's posting about Evergreen State College, I have figured out that the Zachbots must be current students there. Now their goofiness finally makes sense!!! (I used to think they just worked for George Soros - maybe they have a soros-scholarship to Evergreen State College?)

#1.1 jaybird on 2018-05-23 14:05 (Reply)

Philip Roth fulfilled the stereotype of every anti-semite out there.

He was a disgusting human being, who worked hard assailing W. Civ.

#2 DrTorch on 2018-05-23 09:10 (Reply)

“A massive fraud, the evil sum of his deficiencies, devoid of everything but the hollow ideology of a megalomaniac.” — Philip Roth on Donald Trump

#2.1 Zachriel on 2018-05-23 10:50 (Reply)

^ Looks like it's programmers have imbued the Clattering Site Robot(s) with special Wednesday bottom-of-the-barrel material.

This is also why you technically can't say it's out of ideas.

#2.1.1 Meh on 2018-05-23 11:27 (Reply)

What's this Philip Roth fellow's take on whether or not Hillary Clinton is President of the United States?

#2.1.2 Bill Carson on 2018-05-23 11:39 (Reply)

I've erroneously granted Mr. Roth time on Earth that he didn't accumulate, so I need to change my question:

Was he ever spotted walking the woods of Connecticut with a drunken, not-President-of-the-United-States Hillary Clinton?

Thanks for your patience!

#2.1.3 Bill Carson on 2018-05-23 11:48 (Reply)

Another pointless remark by Zachriel. Proving again that she has no understanding of anything discussed here.

#2.1.4 DrTorch on 2018-05-23 11:52 (Reply)

DrTorch: Another pointless remark by Zachriel.

The topic was "Philip Roth RIP". Philip Roth is known for his literary style and his exploration of American identity. Quoting Roth is entirely to the point.

#2.1.4.1 Zachriel on 2018-05-23 13:34 (Reply)

Absolutely! Especially since Mr. Roth never referred to MS-13 as "animals"!

#2.1.4.1.1 Bill Carson on 2018-05-23 13:48 (Reply)

Real human people persons know that the Clattering Site Robot(s) has been monitoring real human people person thought from behind its giant monocular green monochromatic screen and chattering transparent diversions and rote irrelevancies out of its tiny 2" front bezel speaker at them for years like some mechanical parrot.

Let's explore this fascinating phenomenon.

Real Person: Freaking heck. Dude is one whale of an anti-semite, you dig?

Clattering Site Robot(s): "POTUS is a disgusting amoral without any of my impressive sanctified virtuous standing." -Dude

Real Person: Wha- ?

Clattering Site Robot(s): We(s) observe that we(s) observed that we(s) observe that [ransacks its(s) decaying 512k memory banks again, finds random quote, holds it aloft in the dingy light like a transistorized Gollum run without a functioning earth ground] "POTUS IS A DISGUSTING AMORAL SLUG WITHOUT ANY OF MY IMPRESSIVE SANCTIFIED VIRTUOUS STANDING." -Dude

Real Person:

Clattering Site Robot(s):

Real Person: Except for giving working people back some of their rights, you mean? Draining some of the corruption of the last thirty years, which is kinda exactly what a, uh, good POTUS should?

Clattering Site Robot(s): [Goes back to scraping its memory looking for the next irrelevant line in the heap.]

Real Person: And defunding the professional abortion mills. There's that part too. Babies and whatnot.

Clattering Site Robot(s): [Begins running an endless loop of nonsense, expecting that something will strike one of its subroutine's fancy, thus engaging output buffer-to-screen unit.]

Real Person: Hey, didn't POTUS force a negotiation over there on the Korean peninsula? I don't know; that strikes me as kinda good and right and so forth.

Clattering Site Robot(s): [Finally seizes on an old but reliable retort. Shoves floppy into slot.] Handwaving!

Real Person: Good 'ole POTUS seems like kind of a life-saver, now that you think about it. That Dude guy and his IMPRESSIVE SANCTIFIED VIRTUOUS STANDING, as I believe you put it? Maybe not.

Clattering Site Robot(s): TROLL!

Real Person: Funny, guys with the most to say have the least to back it up. What are you, a robot or something?

#2.1.5 Meh on 2018-05-23 11:53 (Reply)

Alexa, why am I so underpowered?
Zach

#2.1.5.1 jaybird on 2018-05-23 23:06 (Reply)

Zach, Trump kept crooked hillary from being elected. He has reduced taxes. He is trying to root crooks and liars out of the government. He wants to restore our military fron obama's devastation. He never would have given the Iranians secret billion$ in unmarked cash flown secretly so the Iranians could finance terrorists in the mideast and around the world. He is trying to keep bloodthirsty MS13 animals out of the country. He never would have lied that Bengazi was caused by a movie - the Bengazi debacle would not have happened. etcetera, etcetera...We would never have found out about the Obama corruption if he had not kept hillary from absolute power.
Trump didn't need to try to root out the corruption. It is a very hard job.

What have you or Philip Roth ever done for the country, other than complain and criticize?

#2.1.6 jaybird on 2018-05-23 13:55 (Reply)

jaybird: He has reduced taxes.

Primarily for corporations, funded with deficits, during an expansion.

jaybird: He is trying to root crooks and liars out of the government.

Just for a single example: The other day the Chinese agreed to fund a Trump project in Indonesia to the tune of half a billion dollars. Immediately after that, Trump said against a Chinese technology company, ZTE, should be eased, even though the company at issue had violated sanctions against the North Koreans.

jaybird: He wants to restore our military fron obama's devastation.

You're thinking of George Bush.

jaybird: He never would have given the Iranians secret billion$

No one gave the Iranians any money. It was their money all along.

#2.1.6.1 Zachriel on 2018-05-23 14:22 (Reply)

Funded with deficits you say? I seem to recall headlines about the biggest tax haul in US Government history for the month of April. I’m sure May will be equally as impressive. US Government has a spending problem. Plain and simple.

#2.1.6.1.1 B. Hammer on 2018-05-23 15:38 (Reply)

B. Hammer: Funded with deficits you say?

That is correct. Revenues are not sufficient to compensate for the reduced tax rates. There was a time when conservatives cared about limiting the deficits.

B. Hammer: US Government has a spending problem. Plain and simple.

Unless you address spending, which wasn't done, cutting taxes will result in higher deficits. That means transferring the burden into the future (either as taxes or inflation).

#2.1.6.1.1.1 Zachriel on 2018-05-23 18:01 (Reply)

^ Clattering Site Robot(s): We(s) observe that we(s) observed that we(s) observe that [ransacks its(s) decaying 512k memory banks again, finds random quote, holds it aloft in the dingy light like a transistorized Gollum run without a functioning earth ground] "POTUS IS A DISGUSTING AMORAL SLUG WITHOUT ANY OF MY IMPRESSIVE SANCTIFIED VIRTUOUS STANDING." -Dude

#2.1.6.1.1.1.1 Meh on 2018-05-23 18:28 (Reply)

There has NEVER been a time when democrats cared about limiting the deficits. They just want to borrow from children to pay themselves and their crooked cronies gargantuan amounts from the public till, and take bribes from those they give taxpayer money to. Stop all the crony funding to crooked friends and neighbors, and there won't be a deficit. Stop giving funds to the gigantic leftist sinkholes, and tax the "foundation" nonsense.

How do these democrat weasels and their friends become millionaires and more from "helping the people" on a civil servant salary? Where did obama get a million dollars to pay the spy on the trupm campaign funneled through the military? THere are zillion scams to commnadeer money for friends and scammers.

How do I really feel about politicians crookedly funding themselves and their friends?

#2.1.6.1.1.1.2 jaybird on 2018-05-23 23:40 (Reply)

jaybird: There has NEVER been a time when democrats cared about limiting the deficits.

That's clearly not the case. For instance, in Clinton's first year in office, Democrats passed a budget bill that was designed to significantly reduce the deficit in order to free capital for economic expansion. Not a single Republican voted for the measure, claiming it would lead to a collapse of the U.S. economy. Instead, the economy entered the longest economic expansion since WWII.

#2.1.6.1.1.1.2.1 Zachriel on 2018-05-24 11:03 (Reply)

Zach, you silly goose, The surplus was due to earlier republical fiscal responsibility. Democrats love deficits. They forced the latest deficit, to give money to their crooked friends, cronies and unaccountable "foundations".

Your credibility meter reads "zero" when you claim "BIG SPENDER" democrat corruption and stealing money from taxpayers and their children is not responsible for the deficits.

#2.1.6.1.1.1.2.1.1 jaybird on 2018-05-25 09:56 (Reply)

jaybird: The surplus was due to earlier republical fiscal responsibility.

That is simply not the case. The Clinton economic plan was passed in 1993, Clinton's first year in office. The previous administration, under Republican George HW Bush, saw large increases in federal expenditures in every year.

Clinton also ran on reforming welfare, which reduced federal spending somewhat, but the primary difference was the higher federal receipts, leading to cash surpluses.

jaybird: They forced the latest deficit, to give money to their crooked friends, cronies and unaccountable "foundations".

The Obama Administration reduced deficits in every year when compared to the previous administration's budget, under Republican George W Bush, which had a final deficit of $1.4 trillion. This was primarily due to the drastic cut in receipts due to the financial meltdown and ensuing recession.

#2.1.6.1.1.1.2.1.1.1 Zachriel on 2018-05-26 11:08 (Reply)

Zach, so we agree that Trump's trying to keep MS13 animals out of the US is a good thing.

Why did obama suddenly and secretly fly billion$ in unmarked cash dollars in the dead of night, by unidentified secret flights, to Iran, so Iran could fund terrorists in the mideast and zaround the world, if it was theirs all along?" This makes obama personally responsible for the terrorism, death and destruction funded with this dirty money. Obama certzainly knew what would be done with unmarked untraceable billions in cash. He knew it wouldn't be for anything helpful for the US. Why isn't this treason, aiding and abetting our sworn "death to America" enemies?

#2.1.6.1.2 jaybird on 2018-05-23 15:49 (Reply)

jaybird: so we agree that Trump's trying to keep MS13 animals out of the US is a good thing.

Obama administration targets Latino street gang MS-13 (2012).

#2.1.6.1.2.1 Zachriel on 2018-05-23 18:03 (Reply)

jaybird: Why did obama suddenly and secretly fly billion$ in unmarked cash dollars in the dead of night

Because it was their money, and international law was catching up to the U.S., and would have been forced to repay the money at some point anyway, probably at higher interest.

jaybird: Obama certzainly knew what would be done with unmarked untraceable billions in cash. He knew it wouldn't be for anything helpful for the US.

He was trying to tie them into the international system, where it is more valuable to cooperate than to engage in conflict. For instance, Iran did agree to stop development of nuclear weapons, and to allow international inspectors to verify compliance.

#2.1.6.1.2.2 Zachriel on 2018-05-23 18:08 (Reply)

Zzzz ignore the real question in that why did Obama do it secretly and with untraceable cash????

Doubt an answer wIll be forthcoming....

#2.1.6.1.2.2.1 drowningpuppies on 2018-05-23 18:31 (Reply)

If one is it'll be only as pedantic and pointless as the thing's(s) usual programming.

Real human: Allow me to observe Point A. Humans understand Point A because it is an undisputed, observable, documented fact.

Clattering Site Robot(s): Water is wet and since water is wet, water is wet.

Real human: Talking to yourself(s) again, CSR(s)? Because that has squat to do with either what I said or Point A, does it?

Clattering Site Robot(s): Handwaving. We(s) correctly observed that we(s) correctly observe that we(s) correctly observed that water is wet and since water is wet, water is wet.

And so on and so on forever.

#2.1.6.1.2.2.1.1 Meh on 2018-05-24 06:51 (Reply)

Dear Alexa,
The meanies won't let me post stupid BS as the last post. Tell the FBI I need more brainpower allocated to my old 6502 8 bit processor.
Your loyal hillary-obama servant,
clattering site robot Zach

#2.1.6.1.2.2.1.1.1 jaybird on 2018-05-25 10:06 (Reply)

Zach, again, Compared to Trump,
What have you or Philip Roth ever done for the country, other than complain and criticize?

#2.1.6.2 jaybird on 2018-05-23 16:46 (Reply)

jaybird: Compared to Trump ... Philip Roth ever done for the country, other than complain and criticize?

Compared to Trump? At least Roth was not a president who was “a massive fraud, the evil sum of his deficiencies, devoid of everything but the hollow ideology of a megalomaniac.” There is that.

#2.1.6.2.1 Zachriel on 2018-05-23 18:22 (Reply)

^ Clattering Site Robot(s): We(s) observe that we(s) observed that we(s) observe that [ransacks its(s) decaying 512k memory banks again, finds random quote, holds it aloft in the dingy light like a transistorized Gollum run without a functioning earth ground] "POTUS IS A DISGUSTING AMORAL SLUG WITHOUT ANY OF MY IMPRESSIVE SANCTIFIED VIRTUOUS STANDING." -Dude

Clattering Site Robot(s) doesn't realize it's repeating itself. Programming defect.

#2.1.6.2.1.1 Meh on 2018-05-24 09:12 (Reply)

Re: Elizabeth Warren and the NRA

If the NRA buys politicians, you'd think Warren, Pelosi, Schumer and other influential Democrats would be at the top of their shopping list. It's almost as if the NRA donates to politicians because they support the NRA rather than politicians support the NRA because the NRA donates to them. If this is true, either Warren is an idiot who has the cause/effect relationship backward or a mendacious opportunist willing to risk looking like an idiot for political gain. I know which one my money's on, despite the Hanlon's Razor argument.

#3 Jerryskids on 2018-05-23 09:35 (Reply)

Oh, come on. There's no reason at all why Warren can't be BOTH!

Because she is.

#3.1 JLawson on 2018-05-23 09:38 (Reply)

She may not be a protege of the NRA, but she's doing pretty well with the bows & arrows lobby. Ironic, isn't it?

http://freebeacon.com/issues/elizabeth-warrens-indian-casino-bill-bail-malaysian-gambling-giant/

#3.2 Aggie on 2018-05-23 12:51 (Reply)

The Democrats haven't won the white vote in a Presidential election in over 50 years and probably not many congressional or senatorial elections either. Democrats have to keep voters splintered into small, self-interested factions, to win anything.

#4 FRP on 2018-05-23 09:50 (Reply)

FRP: The Democrats haven't won the white vote in a Presidential election in over 50 years and probably not many congressional or senatorial elections either. Democrats have to keep voters splintered into small, self-interested factions, to win anything.

The Republicans haven't won the minority vote in a Presidential election in over 50 years and probably not many congressional or senatorial elections either. Republicans have to keep voters riled up about minorities to win anything.

#4.1 Zachriel on 2018-05-23 11:03 (Reply)

The Republicans haven't won the minority vote in a Presidential election in over 50 years and probably not many congressional or senatorial elections either. Republicans have to keep voters riled up about minorities to win anything.

And to keep winning the minority vote the Democrats merely need to continue providing the wonderful standard of living minorities enjoy in Detroit, Baltimore and other Democrat-run Shangri-Las.

#4.1.1 Bill Carson on 2018-05-23 11:33 (Reply)

Now you've done it, Bill. Hear all those gigantic platters spinning all the way up to 900rpms out in the CSR's water-cooled data vestibule? Hear all those heads whistling around scrounging up the factoids of doom, and the very retortiest of modern programming?

I'm afraid you've incited the Clattering Site Robot(s) Stack of Sheer Bullshit, fifty-six parallel juggernaughteries of repositories running on 220v with no fuse!

It(s) calls it something else but we're real people so we can call it what it is. And what comes next is sheer death and destruction, Republican.

#4.1.1.1 Meh on 2018-05-23 12:06 (Reply)

Meh -

You mean something like this?

"Um, without Democrats in charge of earthly paradises such as Detroit, Baltimore and St. Louis, black folks in those locales would be forced to pick cotton at gunpoint by drooling retards wearing MAGA hats and banjos slung over their backs, while Hispanics would - upon pain of deportation to to-be-fled, yet non-shithole countries - be forced to emulate the voice of cartoon mouse 'Speedy Gonzales' while serving sneering, privileged whites at Republican-run Taco Bell restaurants/detention centers. All of this against the gruesome backdrop of steady incineration due to global warming and a general lack of "belief" in science."

#4.1.1.1.1 Bill Carson on 2018-05-23 13:45 (Reply)

Pretty much, Bill. Fortunately we also have teh Clattering Site Robot(s) enormous expertise in ekunomiks where a day or so back we were learned that apparently back when Baraq O'Berry was still running the Office of the President Elect he singlehandedly induced the Fed to fund the failed 2008 casino banks which in turn lobbied Pelosi to pass a trillion in stimyewlus.

Presto and viola: The land prospered in direct relation to the central balance sheet. Now, if you extend that punch card-level logic, it's clear that today BO is responsible for the freshly reinvigorated ways and means of the MAGA working class. QED!

#4.1.1.1.1.1 Meh on 2018-05-23 14:01 (Reply)

Now that you mention it, Meh, I have noticed some simply magical economic causality attribution out of the CSR(s)! Crazy, but it seems that the 8 solid years of miserable Barack Obama economy was simultaneously:

A. All George Bush's fault

B. A simmering Adam Smith-trained cobra timed precisely to strike a year and a half into do-nothing, layabout Donald Trump's first term.

Simply amazing! Must be one of those 2-state quantum systems these 'elites' are forever tryin' to learn to us rubes about!

Well, gotta go mind my juggernaughteries, so have yourself a good one!

#4.1.1.1.1.1.1 Bill Carson on 2018-05-23 15:47 (Reply)

Amazing isn't it? Blacks have done so well since they started voting solid Democrat, haven't they? From 11% illegitimate to 75%, from solid 2 parent homes to feral lives now. Poverty, crime, and corruption. They are not making themselves look good by continuing to vote for the party that's put them in real chains and kept them there.

#4.1.1.2 FRP on 2018-05-23 12:43 (Reply)

A percentage has latched on to the extended federal tit (bureaucracies, fed-academia, NGOs), and a smattering has ridden the private sector aff-action gravy train to prosperity. I often wonder what percentage have "made it" vs. the percentage that have drifted into ever deeper dysfunction and chaos. Doubt that study will ever see the light of day.

#4.1.1.2.1 BillH on 2018-05-23 13:24 (Reply)

Bill Carson: And to keep winning the minority vote the Democrats merely need to continue providing the wonderful standard of living minorities enjoy in Detroit, Baltimore and other Democrat-run Shangri-Las.

Blue states have a higher GDP per capita on average than red states. California, for instance, is a major center of high technology, entertainment, as well as agriculture. As a country, it would rank 5th in the world in terms of GDP.

#4.1.1.3 Zachriel on 2018-05-23 13:44 (Reply)

Blue states have a higher GDP per capita on average than red states.

If you could be so kind, please provide us with a side-by-side comparison of the mean per capita GDPs of blue state and red state minorities, as those are the folks under discussion here. Thanks in advance.

#4.1.1.3.1 Bill Carson on 2018-05-23 13:57 (Reply)

You keep making the CSR(s) scrape data like that, Bill, and you're going to have to buy it all new drive bearings.

And you know the freight charges shipping to deserted East China Sea islands? Not something your UPS guy much relishes, let me tell you.

#4.1.1.3.1.1 Meh on 2018-05-23 14:06 (Reply)

Bill Carson: If you could be so kind, please provide us with a side-by-side comparison of the mean per capita GDPs of blue state and red state minorities, as those are the folks under discussion here.

Top-10 states for black per capita income (color based on 2016 presidential election electoral vote):

Hawaii, blue
Maryland, blue
Vermont, blue
Delaware, blue
Alaska, red
New Hampshire, blue
New Mexico, blue
Massachusetts, blue
New Jersey, blue
Colorado, blue

You're welcome.

#4.1.1.3.1.2 Zachriel on 2018-05-23 14:13 (Reply)

Thanks. Now please cite your source(s) for the above list. My guess is that this is your source:

http://www.blackenterprise.com/the-10-best-states-with-top-black-household-incomes/

Note that Vermont (< 10,000 blacks), Alaska (

#4.1.1.3.1.2.1 Bill Carson on 2018-05-23 15:03 (Reply)

One more %$#@ing time ...

Thanks. Now please cite your source(s) for the above list. My guess is that this is your source:

http://www.blackenterprise.com/the-10-best-states-with-top-black-household-incomes/

Note that Vermont (less than 10,000 blacks), Alaska (less than 30,000 blacks), Hawaii (less than 35,000 blacks), and New Mexico (less than 55,000 blacks) can be discarded straight off as - to put it mildly - not representative, given that there are about 43,000,000 black folks in the US. That is, less than 130,000 (two decent-sized college football stadiums' worth) out of 43,000,000 (i.e., less than about three tenths of a percent) simply doesn't do it.

I derived the numbers above from here:

https://www.census.gov/

Also, note that Michigan, Missouri and California are missing from your list. I mentioned Detroit and St. Louis, while you where chirping about California.

But as appreciative as I am for your list, you failed to provide mean GDPs for all minorities (not just blacks) in red states and blue states. To do this, you need to sum up the GDP of each minority person in each blue state and take the average; likewise for those minorities in red states.

That is, "mean" and "top" are not the same thing, even if the top values you provided are themselves means. You need to reckon over the entire respective populations of blue state and red state minorities.

So, thanks again for your list, but you've more work to do.

#4.1.1.3.1.2.2 Bill Carson on 2018-05-23 15:08 (Reply)

But Bill, you can't possibly expect a program to deduce meaning, can you?

#4.1.1.3.1.2.2.1 Meh on 2018-05-23 15:25 (Reply)

I'm a hopeless romantic, Meh!

#4.1.1.3.1.2.2.1.1 Bill Carson on 2018-05-23 15:30 (Reply)

Addendum: With less than 25,000 of them, New Hampshire doesn't have a lot of blacks, either!

Shorter version of my previous post: I want the personal GDPs the nation's 43,000,000 blacks included in your respective red state and blue state mean minority GDP calculation.

And I understand that this might not easy, but not everything in life is as easy as casually popping off about California's GDP.

#4.1.1.3.1.2.2.2 Bill Carson on 2018-05-23 15:28 (Reply)

Bill Carson: So, thanks again for your list

You're welcome.

Bill Carson: So, thanks again for your list, but you've more work to do.

Thus far we have provided 100% more relevant data than you have.

Bill Carson: And I understand that this might not easy, but not everything in life is as easy as casually popping off about California's GDP.

In 2012, California black median household income was 25% higher than the national median for blacks. California Hispanic median household income was 17% higher than the national median for Hispanics. (From the Census Bureau's American Community Survey 2012.)

#4.1.1.3.1.2.2.2.1 Zachriel on 2018-05-23 17:58 (Reply)

Thus far we have provided 100% more relevant data than you have.

No, you've provided incomplete data that only deals with a fraction of the US minority population in question.

In 2012, California black median household income was 25% higher than the national median for blacks. California Hispanic median household income was 17% higher than the national median for Hispanics. (From the Census Bureau's American Community Survey 2012.)

The national median is, by definition, derived from both red and blue states. The question at hand was - via consideration of the entire US minority population - a comparison of per capita GDP between red and blue states.

In simpler terms, you used a few words too many to say 'uncle'.

#4.1.1.3.1.2.2.2.1.1 Bill Carson on 2018-05-23 18:28 (Reply)

Bill Carson: No

Yes. We have provided 100% more data you you have.

Bill Carson: The question at hand was - via consideration of the entire US minority population - a comparison of per capita GDP between red and blue states.

We understand you want to divert. You had waved your hands by pointing to troubled cities as representative of the larger whole. We provided data which shows that your generalization was faulty. Here it is again:

Bill Carson: And to keep winning the minority vote the Democrats merely need to continue providing the wonderful standard of living minorities enjoy in Detroit, Baltimore and other Democrat-run Shangri-Las.

We pointed out that the states with the highest black median income are in blue states. We also pointed out that blue California has higher median household income for blacks and Hispanics than the rest of the country. That's called data, data which calls into question your sweeping generalization from Detroit to the country as a whole.

#4.1.1.3.1.2.2.2.1.1.1 Zachriel on 2018-05-23 18:53 (Reply)

Real human: You'll have a tough time showing that the welfare state produces much value, Robot(s). This axiom is like intuitive and common sensical and so forth.

Clattering Site Robot(s): We pointed out that the states with the highest black median income are in blue states. [ZINGdot bZZZZt ARGowellllp BRIBBIT fftzz.]

Real human: Heh. You forgot the sic Robot(s). By the way, you are aware that the GDP includes anything that generates cash flow, right? Like the public sector and all?

Clattering Site Robot(s): We also pointed out that blue California has higher median household income for blacks and Hispanics than ... Detroit. We(s) hereby establish our contertruth. [ZINGdot bZZZZt ARGowellllp BRIBBIT fftzz.]

Real human: Hate to break it to your dingy little 286, Robot(s), but Cheesecake Factory doesn't sell tire irons either. See, your nonsense doesn't even qualify for a correlation-is-not-causation award. This is like a pattern for you(s), you(s) know. Have your programmer go back to citing your boss's Snopes for facts, 'k?

Clattering Site Robot(s): Kindly allow us to pause while we squirt starting fluid into our postmodern gibberish generator and prepare a suitable irrelevancy, Real Human. Your reasoning has escaped us.

Real human: Shocker.

Clattering Site Robot(s): Handwaving?

Real human: Ditto.

Clattering Site Robot(s): TROLL! [ZINGdot bZZZZt ARGowellllp BRIBBIT fftzz.]

#4.1.1.3.1.2.2.2.1.1.1.1 Meh on 2018-05-24 09:25 (Reply)

NH is not a blue state.

#4.1.1.3.1.2.3 LP on 2018-05-23 15:40 (Reply)

LP: NH is not a blue state.

Electoral map, 2016

#4.1.1.3.1.2.3.1 Zachriel on 2018-05-23 17:45 (Reply)

“I’ll have those niggers voting Democrat for the next 200 years.” – Lyndon B. Johnson
And so it came to pass.

#4.1.1.4 FRP on 2018-05-23 14:52 (Reply)

FRP: “I’ll have those niggers voting Democrat for the next 200 years.” – Lyndon B. Johnson

Apocryphal. Nonetheless, it took political courage to push for civil rights knowing that the Democratic Party would lose white southern voters, even if they gained black voters.

#4.1.1.4.1 Zachriel on 2018-05-23 17:49 (Reply)

One can call LBJ many things (corrupt, devious, opportunistic, ...) but courageous is not one of them.

#4.1.1.4.1.1 drowningpuppies on 2018-05-23 18:59 (Reply)

The Clattering Site Robot(s) knows what you, MSNBC, and LBJ's biographer do not, Real Human. For starters.

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/lyndon-johnson-civil-rights-racism

#4.1.1.4.1.1.1 Meh on 2018-05-24 09:33 (Reply)

Stupid Republicans try to treat everyone the same. Smart Democrats give away free stuff for votes.
=
"The Republicans haven't won the minority vote in a Presidential election in over 50 years and probably not many congressional or senatorial elections either."

#4.1.2 Anon on 2018-05-23 14:43 (Reply)

Anon: Stupid Republicans try to treat everyone the same.

That clearly not the case. Not only has the Republican Party under a consent decree for violations of civil rights, but a federal court recently found that North Carolina Republicans had crafted a law designed to limit voting by "targeting African-Americans with almost surgical precision."

#4.1.2.1 Zachriel on 2018-05-23 18:26 (Reply)

Pure BS. The left uses the courts to conduct lawfare. Generally guilt or breaking laws has nothing to do with it. They get liberal judges to give them what they want and the media plays along with them to make it appear that it is all true.

#4.1.2.1.1 Anon on 2018-05-23 22:10 (Reply)

Hey, I won my election last night.

#5 Texan99 on 2018-05-23 10:01 (Reply)

Congratulations (I hope :) )

#5.1 Christopher B on 2018-05-23 10:06 (Reply)

Is this a state House race?

#5.2 Dangerous Dean on 2018-05-23 16:13 (Reply)

Nah, just a County Commissioner seat in my small, rural Texas county.

#5.2.1 Texan99 on 2018-05-24 13:08 (Reply)

QUOTE:

Deep State James Clapper: Embedding Spy Inside Trump Campaign Is “Standard Investigative Practices

The informant was not "embedded" inside the Trump campaign. Talking to people is, indeed, standard investigative practice.

#6 Zachriel on 2018-05-23 11:02 (Reply)

They were just trying to protect Trump's campaign.

Right, kiddiez?

#6.1 drowningpuppies on 2018-05-23 13:18 (Reply)

Zach, it now looks like the Obama administration spied on the Jill Stein and Bernie Sanders campaigns too. Was that good for them, too?
Did the FBI plant spies or "investigators" on the hillary campaign? Probably not, because they were in constant communication with each other because they were on the same team?

why didn't the FBI think it was collaboration with the russians for hillary to take a $150 million bribe to approve sale of uranium assets to russia? And lots of money to Bill clinton? When the FBI had a real spy reporting that this was corrupt? What is the zachbot spin on these issues?
Thanks!!!

#6.2 jaybird on 2018-05-23 13:39 (Reply)

jaybird: it now looks like the Obama administration spied on the Jill Stein and Bernie Sanders campaigns too.

It didn't spy on the Trump campaign. They had information concerning Russia trying to infiltrate the campaign, so their informant struck up a conversation. Talking to people is, indeed, standard investigative practice.

You didn't provide a citation concerning the Stein and Sanders campaign, but if the Russians were trying to infiltrate those campaigns, the FBI certainly would be charged with investigating such links.

There certainly is a possibility of abuse, but there is no indication they used the information for political purposes. Indeed, it wasn't publicly known until recently, long after the campaign ended.

#6.2.1 Zachriel on 2018-05-23 13:50 (Reply)

Talking to people is, indeed, standard investigative practice.

Germany's invasion of Poland:

"Taking a ride in the country is, indeed, standard practice on a Sunday."

#6.2.1.1 Bill Carson on 2018-05-23 14:14 (Reply)

That's a silly comparison. If an investigator wants to talk to someone on the street, they don't have to have a warrant, or even identify themselves. You can talk to them, or you can walk away.

#6.2.1.1.1 Zachriel on 2018-05-23 18:28 (Reply)

Now that's funny, kiddiez.

#6.2.1.1.1.1 drowningpuppies on 2018-05-23 18:52 (Reply)

Russia trying to infiltrate the campaign

Uh oh. Infiltration. INFILTRATION. The CSR(s) is about to name names and date dates and everything.

Either that or reveal that it was it(s) that stole all the allegedlys from the propagandistic American Press - and I use the term loosely - and packed them away on a 3.5" floppy under a potted plant. The same Press that constitutes one hundred times the influence of this Russia they keep yammering about.

Oops. I said plant.

Anyway, there wasn't any. Ask Sharyl Attkisson what there was. She wrote it down. In plain English, not DOS.

#6.2.1.2 Meh on 2018-05-23 14:35 (Reply)

They had information concerning Russia trying to infiltrate the campaign

No, they didn't.

They knew Trump hired a guy, Manafort, who had worked for a political ally of Putin in Ukraine. He'd been investigated for this association in the past and insufficient evidence of wrongdoing was found to indict him.

They knew Trump put another guy on a policy advisory board, Page, who worked with Gazprom and had some interesting ideas about US Russian relations. He had been questioned by the FBI in the past about his Russian contacts and worked with them to convict some Russians of espionage.

A third guy, Papadopoulos, was a nobody even by the loose standards of the Trump campaign.

Two of the three people were well known to the FBI. Page was even being interviewed again in early 2016.

So far the collusion narrative has turned up these three contacts.

Trump Jr being contacted by a music promoter and pitched a meeting with a Russian lawyer regarding oppo research on Hillary but being lobbied about Russian adoption instead. No further meetings or discussion.

Stefan Halper contacting, wining and dining Page, and pumping him for information regarding the DNC emails. Page didn't bite.

Halper paying Papadopoulos for a bogus study along with the wining and dining. Here he got a hit, sort of, as Papadopoulos apparently passed on gossip he received from yet another non-campaign source (Mifsud) in a drunken bull session with an Australian diplomat. That news eventually worked its way back to FBI through channels that are a bit hazy.

It also appears that every incident now being termed evidence of collusion was the result not of anyone from the Trump campaign being seen reaching out, nor of actually Russians being tracked by the FBI/CIA reaching in, but of third parties being run by either Fusion GPS or the FBI/CIA attempting to get comments on the DNC hacking, or as in the case of Papadopoulos, getting rumors previously fed into the Trump campaign repeated.

#6.2.1.3 Christopher B on 2018-05-23 14:57 (Reply)

Z: It didn't spy on the Trump campaign. They had information concerning Russia trying to infiltrate the campaign, so their informant struck up a conversation. Talking to people is, indeed, standard investigative practice.

Really? What information was that? If they thought the Russians were really infiltrating Trump's campaign, then by definition, Trump's campaign would not be colluding. Why didn't they warn Trump? If they thought the Russians were really infiltrating the Trump campaign, wouldn't they wonder if the Russians were also infiltrating Hillary's campaign? After all, they knew that the Hillary campaign was colluding with Russian intelligence, through intermediaries, to create the Steele's dossier.

You're no smarter than Clapper and that's saying something: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9HEsaHNipY

#6.2.1.4 mudbug on 2018-05-23 15:36 (Reply)

Zach, don't they teach you anything at Evergreen State College?
Spying on opponents using the fbi is treason. Much, much worse than Watergate, which involved retired spooks, not the FBI organization itself. Obama was in the loop, and this spying was run from the White House and DOJ according to released FBI emails. There is more to come.

There should be a special counsel appointed to root out this obama-era corruption. The FBI and DOJ can't credibly "investigate" themselves while hiding information from Congress, while covering up $150 million bribes from the russians to the clintons, while excusing hillary's (and obama's) illegal hiding of government records on private servers, while agreeing not to examine hacked DNC/clinton servers but raiding hillary's opponents in the dead of night, while granting immunity to all perpetrators of hiding and deleting subpoenaed hillary records. More of this evil partisan behavior by the FBI should come out shortly with the IG report.

The FBI paid for the "pee-pee" dossier. THe "pee pee" dossier apparently claims that Trump paid russians to pee on a bed because it was allegedly slept in by obama? This is russian collusion for spying by the FBI? Seems like something from the Onion, even if true. FBI agent Ohr's wife worked for the firm that made the "pee pee" dossier. The FBI knew that Hillary and the DNC paid the Perkins Coie law firm million$ for the "pee pee" dossier to keep its origin secret as "attorney client privilege". But the FBI and DOJ intentionally withheld the Ohr family participation, and FBI payment for the "pee pee" work, from the FISA court. It is now clear that the FBI coordinated the "leaking" (bad pun) of the "pee pee" dossier with press leaks while Comey was setting up Trump by briefing the president and telling Trump he wasn't a leaking weasel. Which official conversation was leaked. What a maroon.

Zach, Did the FBI spy on the hillary campaign? If not, why not? There was plenty of russian money going to the clintons.

#6.2.1.5 jaybird on 2018-05-23 15:57 (Reply)

Z: "You didn't provide a citation concerning the Stein and Sanders campaign, but if the Russians were trying to infiltrate those campaigns, the FBI certainly would be charged with investigating such links."

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Ahh, this is like Sherlock Holmes' curious incident of the dog that did not bark in the night.

Unlike Trump, Jill Stein actually MET WITH VLADIMIR PUTIN FACE TO FACE DURING THE CAMPAIGN. And yet there has never been a peep from the crooked media or the crooked FBI/JUSTICE Departments that she did anything wrong. (Worse than that, they instead went after General Flynn, who supposedly was guilty of not disclosing that he was at the same luncheon where Putin and Stein were present).

#6.2.1.6 Jim on 2018-05-23 17:07 (Reply)

Christopher B: So far the collusion narrative has turned up these three contacts.

The informant talked to Page and Papadopoulos. So?

mudbug: If they thought the Russians were really infiltrating Trump's campaign, then by definition, Trump's campaign would not be colluding.

No, not by definition, by any means. Infiltration means trying to use people, either wittingly or unwittingly. They prey on weaknesses of their targets, whether greed or pride or sex or whatever. These people may be tangential to the campaign, or may lead to those in authority. There's no way to know without investigating.

mudbug: If they thought the Russians were really infiltrating the Trump campaign, wouldn't they wonder if the Russians were also infiltrating Hillary's campaign?

Gee whiz. The Russians hacked the DNC's email server, and the email of the Clinton campaign manager.

jaybird: Spying on opponents using the fbi is treason.

They weren't spying, but were using an informant to talk to people who had had contacts with Russian agents. That's standard operating procedure.

Jim: General Flynn, who supposedly was guilty of not disclosing that he was at the same luncheon where Putin and Stein were present

No. Flynn pleaded guilty to lying to federal agents about whether, during the transition, he had asked the Russian Ambassador to refrain from escalating the political situation in response to U.S. sanctions, and to saying he did not remember that the Russian Ambassador had later told him that they would moderate Russia's response as result of Flynn's request. They were presumably tapping the Russian Ambassador's phone, so they had Flynn flat.

#6.2.1.7 Zachriel on 2018-05-23 18:47 (Reply)

Gee whiz. The Russians hacked the DNC's email server, and the email of the Clinton campaign manager.

Facts not in evidence, kiddiez.
Y'all have failed in providing any proof to back up those claims other than DNC talking points.

#6.2.1.7.1 drowningpuppies on 2018-05-23 19:27 (Reply)

We never did anything like that! How dare you accuse us of something so improbable! And besides, we've always done that, and everyone else does, too, it's totally normal.

#7 Texan99 on 2018-05-23 11:28 (Reply)

1) On Empty Nesters with kids returning...DON'T LET THEM RETURN. Easy enough. After I graduated college, I was worried about finding a place to live, a job. My mom said, "We will help you find a job, we will help you find a place to live." I knew then my time was limited. I really didn't want to be at home, but I didn't know how to get started in real adult life either. LOL.

2) If the FBI 'does this all the time,' then we need a new law that states the FBI cannot 'do this all the time.' NO government entity should be spying on a political campaign. If you suspect bad actors of trying to insinuate into a campaign, then the FBI should TELL THE CANDIDATE. The fact that a presidential campaign had people discussing foreign policy should not be a shocker NOR illegal. The fact that a presidential campaign may be interested in dirt on another candidate should not be ILLEGAL.

There is NO excuse for infiltrating a campaign, planting information, and then using that contact and planted information to get a FISA warrant and then spy on all members of Trump campaign. Any normal person could see that is wrong. And those who refuse to admit it are going to be the most shocked of all with the consequences for those actions.

#8 MissT on 2018-05-23 14:32 (Reply)

MissT: Any normal person could see that is wrong.

But the Zzzz are not normal persons.

#8.1 drowningpuppies on 2018-05-23 14:48 (Reply)

I was kicked out of the nest at 18, when I went off to college. First thing my Dad did was convert my bedroom into an office for himself. By the time I came back for Christmas, evidence of my residence at my parents' house had largely been obliterated. They did put a sofabed in the new office that I was allowed to sleep in when I came back to visit.

Re spying on the Trump campaign. That was what Watergate was all about, although it has now been magnified 10 or 20 times. With a cover-up that went all the way to the conspirators writing CYA memos to the file the last day of the Obama administration, and Obama issuing last minute executive orders that purported to legalize what they were doing.

#8.2 Jim on 2018-05-23 16:52 (Reply)

Wow. I stopped by Maggie’s Farm for lunch break, 44 comments. The Zach Borg must be active today! Reading the comments might be as entertaining as game 7 hockey tonight!

#9 B. Hammer on 2018-05-23 15:34 (Reply)

Or maybe not.

#9.1 JJM on 2018-05-24 02:57 (Reply)

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