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It certainly seems so. In retrospect, Watergate was not a big deal because political spying and oppo research is always done. The cover-up was the thing that got them. It wasn't worth covering up, really. In this case, it was the government itself, not a campaign.
We all know it's criminal. It appears to have been a massive conspiracy. Will there be charges? Will there be a reckoning? A restoration of DOJ or FBI as trustworthy ? These are the questions of our time.
A proper accounting by trial and juries would necessarily mean 20+ folks .. including former FBI, DNI, DOJ, and various White House figures, .. oh and State Dept... and the former President. The media and the left will NOT allow any of that without burning the country down, REGARDLESS of guilt or facts laid before them. No way.
So how to restore trust? How to show rule of law is supreme? If these folks get off, 1/2 the country will be unable to trust the Federal Government... the judicial system, ever again. And if the law is followed, 20% of the country will riot. No?
The MSM doesn't seem to be making a lot of this. If it were found the W. Bush had spied on the Obama Campaign, we would still be hearing about it and it would be the first reason they would site that the nobody in the Republican Party is not qualified morally or legally to be elected. Now that Obama's FBI and maybe the CIA spied on the Trump Campaign, it is a yawn because "everybody knows that Trump was in cahoots with the Russians to hack the election." So far, there is no evidence to that effect. Later, when it is found that there was not enough evidence to open counter intelligence investigations much less a criminal investigation, that will be a curious yawn: "Isn't that perplexing that these investigations were built on no real evidence. Well, I guess we might have a entertain the thought that there was nothing to the theory that the Russians and Trump colluded but there is still so much we don't know."
Somebody high up (at least Comey, Brennan, Clapper, and/or Lynch) has to go to jail for this or we are in truly uncharted waters because that makes it easier for it to happen again and it will happen again.
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I'm not holding my breath - well, ok, just a little bit - for the IG report. Everybody is expecting it to be devastating to several in the FBI and DOJ but I've heard recently that the FBI got some things redacted from the report.
It's time for Trump to declassify the information demanded by the House Intel. Cmtte. as well as the IG report. Let's see it all.
I also heard that Horowitz made criminal referrals to U.S. Attorney John Huber so this may actually go somewhere, though it is important to realize that Huber was appointed by Obama, but then so was Horowitz. Maybe there will finally be something good to come out of the Obama administration!
I wouldn't read too much into that. He'll happily defend Hillary for being too stupid to recognize top secret information without marking, knowing that anything the president says is considered the be classified unless it's public, that there's nothing really wrong with allowing people without security clearances (people who administered her server), so I'm sure he'd find a way to defend spying in US citizens without cause, too.
There's insufficient evidence to reach any strong conclusions. For instance, if someone working in the Trump campaign saw something suspicious or possibly criminal and went to the FBI, that wouldn't be considered nefarious or an abuse of power by the FBI. It would be remiss if the FBI didn't investigate.
This may go the way of birtherism, conspiracy theories about Vince Foster, or any of a large number of such controversies. The lie does damage regardless.
It all depends on the rationale for the spying. If the FBI can articulate a reason to believe there was nefarious activities going on in the Trump campaign (and the Steele dossier would obviously not count) it might be the equivalent of Vince Foster, if not then they would likely fall back on Clapper's explanation that the purpose of the spying was to spy on the Russians to judge the extent of their penetration of our democratic systems. This is silly on its face unless there were also spies in the Hillary campaign since she and her husband have known ties to Russians, not the least was paying for (surreptitiously) that phony dossier used to implicate Trump.
So far there has never been any evidence that the Russians collaborated in any way with Trump so my money's on its not being like Vince Foster.