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As George Carlin used to say: that's not a near miss. A near miss would be a hit.
Emergent God.
This is similar to something I've considered for quite a while--that religion is a byproduct of human evolution. Probably the single most significant aspect of humans over other primates, as well as other animals, is not intelligence but the ability to instinctively organize into complex social cooperative structures, from just a small band to a group of many millions. No other animal is that flexible. As part of this instinctive alignment of minds (sometimes called 'peer pressure' but that's totally missing the significance) is the evoltionary success that arises over widely shared belief structures--which can include social patterns based on centures of human experience. This drive to share thought patterns frequently manifests itself as religion, and having a handy personification of the structure in the form of god(s) helps to make it all the more compelling. Some religions (like some cultures) can be toxic, but others are more constructive. Essentially I am an atheist who does not believe in any actual god, but I recognize that the concept of a god like entity is inherent in our mental make up (and in many cases aided our survival) Religion is politics. It has always been politics. It is about power and money and way back before there was money it was about anything of value. It has always been a sanctimonious front to extort power and wealth from the willing and the unwilling. It has, incidentally, from time to time also encouraged good moral decency, which is it's only value to civilization.
Nice to see an expert on worldwide prehistory weigh in. Chock full of evidence, too.
There is a lot to not like about what I said but little that can be refuted. It is ironic that you would call for "proof about anything related to a discussion on religion. Belief in religion is based on faith not "proof", where is your faith? LOL.
How do you "refute" a gross over-generalization? Would you even try?
Asking rhetorically, of course, cause you formulated all that fallacy and so obviously can't be trusted to be objective.
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2018-04-17 13:39
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It's the beauty and order of things like the inverse square law and the principles of probability that persuade me to believe in God rather than in nihilistic materialism. Maybe the question isn't whether God is "only" emergent properties, but whether the beauty and mystery of emergent properties show us the nature of the universe. In other words, maybe emergency properties are "only" God.
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2018-04-17 14:13
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Belief in god is an entirely different subject. My references were only to religion. Religion is a political entity and it would be a fool's errand to try to prove otherwise. It's objective is power over the people, culture and laws and to acquire wealth. There is some benefit to religion over the centuries but like governments there are good ones and bad ones. Most religions demand fealty and woe to you if you seem unsincere. You will bow or stand as ordered and you will give of your wealth, time and energies... or else. This is true today and was a hundred times more true 100 or 500 years ago and in most of history. It is how they rule. Disagree? Then be tortured to death or burned in a public display of raw power. Today, well we kid ourselves that it wasn't that bad and will never happen again. But politics is what it is.
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2018-04-17 15:02
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You keep using the word prove and you keep using it very wrongly. All outboards are not Evinrudes and all cheese is not Swiss, obviously. Only the ones in your viewfinder are.
Stop grinding that axe of yours. Religion simply isn't your view of it, which is why your stuff about is so starkly fallacious.
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2018-04-17 15:35
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Your contention that religion is political would be disputed by prehistorians, which is what I focused on. I recommend starting with NY Times science editor Nicholas Wade's Before The Dawn, which is not perfect but covers the basic material pretty well.
Notice I said Basic Material. You haven't the faintest idea what it is you don't know. Early religious practice cannot be defined as political in any sensible definition. yes, we need to kill any group of animals that has become a nuisance or dangerous. Nobody should be surprised that some catlovers come unhinged over this. While most cat owners are realistic and reasonable people, there are some who are totally over the top in their worship of the animals.
There is a scene at the beginning of the 2001 movie Cats and Dogs where dogs rise up to help humans overthrow the tyrannical cat overlords in the land of Egypt. I love that. Before you respond that I am heartless or hate cats, you'd be wrong. My family has owned cats for over a decade now and I love the best aspects of their nature. I don't put them above people. We euthanize cats all the time, which doesn't seem to bother people unduly. It bothers me a great deal; I'm sorry we arrange things so as to make it necessary. Instead of railing at people who kill cats, I concentrate on what I can do personally, which is to adopt as many cats as I can give a suitable home to, and make sure they're neutered, because cats will produce several litters of unwanted kittens every year when left to their own devices. For people who want to do more than that, there's always the option of contributing to neutering clinics and humane shelters. Enough with the wailing about other people's fault: we'd do better to look to our own behavior.
Picking up a rock is easier than picking up a responsibility.
If I had a gun and a choice I would vote to keep the cats and get rid of the pesky people.
Wow, self-congratulatory, small-minded piffle from a reader of this blog. Just imagine.
When out hunting or just riding the gravel roads,we shoot feral cats.They kill alot of the wildlife.We like the pheasants & turkey better.Having said that feral cats living in the country, are an amazing critter.
re Iowa Town Causes Uproar by Shooting Feral Cats
A good, fun way to get rid of the damn things Dangerous Dean is right. yes, we need to kill any group of animals that has become a nuisance or dangerous. However, people that take joy in that task are sick. Oh I don't know, Mind. There's great Christian delight in killing the shit out of stuff because it serves your stupid rightist lifestyle.
That God guy; what did He know anyway. Animals are for wanton sport. That's why Moses created BBQ. Lectionary! QED! I don't accept that Pelosi and King have/had actual knowledge of God's intent.
"You can’t argue against socialism’s 100 per cent record of failure"
Really, because you can walk into any school of Liberal Arts, most high school history, English, social studies department and you'll find professors arguing against it all the time. True, they won't tell the truth about the failures, but arguments for that obscure reality is arguing against the 100 per cent record. But then these professors and teachers are highly educated and trained in "critical thinking" for all the critical sense they exhibit. A good, fun way to get rid of the damn things.
I see. And who made you in charge of which animals should live and which ones should die? |