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Friday, March 30. 2018

Friday morning links

Pope Francis: 'There Is No Hell'


Really? Life can be hell 


Coffee must carry cancer warning, California judge rules


Only in California... 


How much data do they have on you?


A chat with Martina Navlatilova 


 NYC college offering ‘Feminist Economics’ course


Is that like how to put those Jimmy Choos on your credit card? 


 Utah Seeks To Legalize Free-Range Parenting


The Sliming of Kevin Williamson


Schlicter:  Every Word Liberals Say About Guns Is A Lie


Why are so many states broke? . 


In the US,  New unemployment claims hit lowest number in 45 years


Steyn:



 The point of Trump was that, unlike the boy scouts, he'd play smashmouth. And the kind of guy who's willing to do that is so rare on the Republican bench that you can't afford to be too picky. 



 Trump Ends Temporary Amnesty for Nearly 1K Liberian Nationals


 Trump Admin Looking to Penalize Immigrants on Welfare


 After Syria, the next refugee crisis is in Venezuela


 DANNY GLOVER PRAISES HEALTH CARE OF SOCIALIST COUNTRY W/NO MEDICINE


 Senior Palestinian Official: Female Terrorist Leaders Prove Our Gender Equality


And child suicide bombers prove their lack of age discrimination 

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"Coffee must carry cancer warning"

This kind of pseudo-science is not uncommon. It begins with dubious studies often by post graduates doing graduate work. It is then followed by a scary book with a scary title. The a legion of quacks and phobics take up the cause and blog against it. Usually this is followed by Europe banning the product (if it is made in the U.S.). Finally our know nothing politicians decide that "something must be done to protect us" and they pass ineffective and/or punitive laws. Finally there is the social media shaming of anyone who dare actually state that it is all fake science. If it is a really big scam government departments will join in and help fake the data and the MSM will carefully edit out any disagreement with the mantra and label those they can't control as crazy right wing nuts.
#1 OneGuy on 2018-03-30 08:54 (Reply)
It's not necessarily the science that's bad, it's the interpretations. Throw enough data into the mill and you can get the statistics to point out that there is a reasonable probability that exposure to Chemical X at high doses correlates to a small increase in cancer risk. The next question raised should be "So what?", or more specifically, is it worth taking any precautions given the magnitude of the risk.

One measure I like is the megabanana. Bananas concentrate potassium. That's part of what makes them good for you. However a certain percentage of potassium in the environment is radioactive, which is potentially carcinogenic. Thus there is a known risk that eating bananas will increase the risk of getting cancer. A megabanana is the increased lifetime cancer risk of eating one million bananas.

Many of the chemicals being talked about in the California labeling cases are in the several to dozens of megabanana range.
#1.1 another guy named Dan on 2018-03-30 11:29 (Reply)
The problem is that everything at this point "is known to the State of California" to cause "cancer or reproductive harm." The warning sign is on literally every store and restaurant you walk in.

At this point, they should just post a warning that "The State of California is known to the State of California to cause cancer or reproductive harm."
#1.2 Jim on 2018-03-30 14:35 (Reply)
They should follow the scheme some divers discovered when working in the East River back in the day. Asking all the agencies what chemicals and other hazards were in the water, the response was it was easier to list what was not in the East River. The answer was nothing. This was in the '80s, so I'm sure it's better now....as long as you don't disturb the silt.

CA should just list what they know doesn't cause cancer.
#1.2.1 JK Brown on 2018-03-30 14:44 (Reply)
California is a dangerous place. Most everything causes cancer there....
#1.3 jay on 2018-03-30 21:47 (Reply)
Is this the death knell of papal infallibility? My heart goes out to all the Catholics in the world. I long for good leadership at all levels.
#2 Dangerous Dean on 2018-03-30 09:30 (Reply)
No, the infallibility of the Pope is not undermined by this. Pope’s are not without sin. A quote by a know atheist trouble maker, who didn’t even take notes on this conversation, does not qualify as a statement of infallibility. For more information, on what must be on of the most misunderstood Catholic doctrines, go here
Pope Francis is certainly not doing the Church any favors, with all his off the cuff remarks.
#2.1 B. Hammer on 2018-03-30 10:25 (Reply)
Your first two statements do not jive very well, and the stuff at the link no more so, especially the stretch made on the claimed authority of two snippets from the Bible. I'm not pointing this out flippantly - I have a raft of theological experience under my belt. It's just that as time passes it dawns on one that virtually all theology hinges on a tremendous degree of circularity, bad logic, and the sheer mayhem of factionalism. That's a poor foundation to make such enormous and purportedly crucial claims from.
#2.1.1 Meh on 2018-03-30 10:59 (Reply)
QUOTE:
In the US, New unemployment claims hit lowest number in 45 years

Note the almost straight line improvement since 2009.

Jobless claims since 2008

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#3 Zachriel on 2018-03-30 09:51 (Reply)
Normal Human: Hey, new unemployment claims hit their lowest number in 45 years. I wonder if that's because even though the Fed is reversing the billions and billions and billions in market-wrecking helicopter money that alone kept Baraq the Faculty Lounge President's empire of Marxist nation-wrecking alive, reshoring industry and cutting taxes naturally gets things moving again? Who'da guessed it?

Clattering Site Robot(s): We(s) noted that we(s) note that we're(s) noting that unemployment is down ever since the banking crash of 2008.

Normal Human: You mean like things recovered from the bottom because of all that artificial stimulation, Clattering Site Robot(s)? Fortuitous, that. And tell us, CSR(s), is unemployment completely divorced from other economic and especially monetary indicators? Oh, and remember when they adjusted unemployment parameters to no longer include all those who simply stopped looking for work, you CSR(s)? Because we real humans remember that.

Clattering Site Robot(s): {BZZZT. SNAP!} Have we(s) introduced you to our postmodern gibberish text generator?

Normal Human: So in other words, the answer is: you're(s) misrepresenting reality yet again. And you(s) expect to be taken seriously, you(s) and all your imaginary processors(s)? Who programmed you(s) all(s), anyway?

Clattering Site Robot(s): However, Cameron[4] suggests that we have to choose between Marxist capitalism and subcapitalist modernist theory. In The Island of the Day Before, Eco reiterates realism; in The Aesthetics of Thomas Aquinas he denies Marxist capitalism.

It could be said that if Derridaist reading holds, we have to choose between Batailleist `powerful communication’ and predialectic capitalism. The subject is contextualised into a realism that includes truth as a whole.

Thus, any number of constructions concerning Marxist capitalism may be found. The example of realism which is a central theme of Eco’s The Name of the Rose emerges again inFoucault’s Pendulum, although in a more self-justifying sense.

Normal Human:

Clattering Site Robot(s):

Normal Human: What, they didn't install any kind of external input module in that miserable thing you call an operating system? You just spout the first thing from the heap stack or whatever they call that duplicitous thing?

Clattering Site Robot(s): Handwaving! TROLL!
#3.1 Meh on 2018-03-30 11:19 (Reply)
postmodern gibberish text generator

That's funny.
#3.1.1 DrTorch on 2018-03-30 12:49 (Reply)
"Coffee must carry cancer warning"
To point out the obvious, nobody knows what causes cancer. The causal mechanism and etiology are unknown. Anybody that tells you that this causes cancer or that will cure cancer is just BSing you. How is this obvious? In 1971 President Nixon declared war on cancer and the National Cancer institute was tasked to find the cause(s) of cancer. They have spent billions of dollars and almost 50 years trying to discover the cause of cancer. If you go to the NCI website, it plainly states they have not been able to determine the cause of cancer.
#4 Ray on 2018-03-30 10:20 (Reply)
Danny Glover should move to Venezuela and stay there, it he likes it so much.
#5 Sam L. on 2018-03-30 12:20 (Reply)
Feminist Economics: Making Poor Women poorer.
#6 Sam L. on 2018-03-30 12:23 (Reply)
Pope Francis: 'There Is No Hell'

Well, he's a big supporter of socialism. And then there is Venezuela and soon, South Africa. Not to mention Cuba and North Korea.

He had to declare there is no Hell to confuse Catholics living in socialist hell here on earth.
#7 JK Brown on 2018-03-30 14:40 (Reply)
Free range kids.

I started kindergarten in 1955. My mother walked me to school for a couple of days, then I was on my own. I went to school on my own right through high school (except, sometimes, I'd get a ride in bad weather). According to my mother's diary, I started going to the local store for her about 4 1/2 years old.

But there's something more at work. Things are so strange now, I've seen even conservatives bemoaning 'weapons' in school. I carried a pocket knife, so did many others (and I was one of the 'geeks'). The teachers knew, but as long as we weren't acting up, no one said anything.

Even in high school (mid 60s) there were no guards (armed or unarmed) no locked doors, no id cards.... none of that stuff was needed.
#8 jay on 2018-03-30 21:43 (Reply)
repeating the Pope Francis made-up quote is intellectually lazy.
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https://aleteia.org/2018/03/30/3-times-pope-francis-warned-about-hell/
#9 Tom on 2018-04-01 11:19 (Reply)

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