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Andrew McCabe probably doesn't believe what he did was wrong. What he did is what police agencies do all the time. They used their considerable power to harm someone they dislike or disagree with or conversely to help someone he likes. Often when it makes the news it is because someone was shot and it was caught on video. But far more often it happens with no witnesses and no recourse.
All McCabe did was exonerate Hillary so she could be elected and he tried to use the FBI and our powerful intelligence apparatus to sabotage Trumps chances of election. And then after Trump won he again continued to eagerly misuse the legal system to try to destroy Trump's presidency. That's all. The swamp often uses their considerable power to destroy or interfere in the lives of those they disagree with and in fact they consider this to be one of the perks of the job. When a policeman stops you for one of the many thousands of possible traffic infractions on the books they can on their own ticket you or let you go. They can, if they wish, ratchet the entire traffic stop up to something much bigger. They can even choose to make the situation deadly and issue you a bunch of inane commands under the threat to shoot you if you do not crawl and grovel enough to please them. And of course we have all seen the video of one or two policeman beating up and slamming to the ground the hapless handcuffed "perp" back at the police station. And then nothing being done to those policemen even AFTER the video is released.
Bird Dog: The guy lied to government officials.
That is not consistent with reports, which is “that Mr. McCabe had made an unauthorized disclosure to the news media and lacked candor — including under oath — on multiple occasions.” Are you suggesting he lacked candor under oath to non governmental officials? Who else requires you to be under oath?
mudbug: Are you suggesting he lacked candor under oath to non governmental officials?
If the allegations are correct, then dismissal is an appropriate administrative action, though in most cases, retirement would be considered acceptable. The claim, however, was that "The guy lied to government officials," which is not consistent with what is being reported. Furthermore, administrative actions are subject to appeal. Trump has been pushing for McCabe's dismissal, so there is evidence of undue influence. Zzzz: If the allegations are correct, then dismissal is an appropriate administrative action, though in most cases, retirement would be considered acceptable.
Colluding and fabricating allegations by a major FBI official in trying to take down a duly elected President could hardly be considered "most cases". Quite a stretch even for you dishonest kiddiez. Back to your sandbox.
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drowningpuppies
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2018-03-17 13:10
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You said that the reports alleged, "that Mr. McCabe had made an unauthorized disclosure to the news media and lacked candor — including under oath — on multiple occasions."
Since you seem to believe those reports, who do you think put him under oath but a government official?
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mudbug
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2018-03-17 19:31
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mudbug: Since you seem to believe those reports, who do you think put him under oath but a government official?
We remain skeptical, but certainly McCabe was put under oath by a government official. The point was that a "lack of candor" may or may not mean lying. As Sessions didn't say McCabe lied, that would suggest he may not have been forthcoming, certainly a job requirement, but not the same as lying under oath.
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Zachriel
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2018-03-18 08:43
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Zzzzz: The point was that a "lack of candor" may or may not mean lying.
-------------- And of course the kiddiez are being disingenious, err... dishonest, again. QUOTE: “His firing — which was recommended by the FBI office that handles discipline — stems from a Justice Department inspector general investigation that found McCabe authorized the disclosure of sensitive information to the media about a Clinton-related case, then misled investigators about his actions in the matter, ..."
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drowningpuppies
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2018-03-18 14:49
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"Why They Hate Margaret Atwood." Oh. Politics. I thought it was about her writing.
She is! 'The Blind Assassin' is a treat of a book.
The Handmaid's Tale on the other hand is rather dreary and didactic, in my opinion. Bit of a slog, and I say that as a fan. Never liked Margaret Atwood's writings; found them very politicized, so to speak, and not in any way respectful to other options. They were also wordy and boring.
Much preferred the writings of Alice Munro and rejoiced when she was awarded the Nobel Prize in Literature in 2013. Why I won't read about Syria: It's on/by Buzzfeed.
Margaret Atwood, of whom I had not heard, is apparently a victim of a wholly manufactured tempest in a child's teapot. (Those ARE the worst kind.) Ohio HS student suspended: The left HATES dissenters/nonconformers. EU vs. Google: First time I could be FOR the EU. Trust Google, I do not. I just saw the interview of that young man on TV. He was quite bright, well spoken and seemed quite comfortable on TV. I think this young man has a bright future.
QUOTE: Irish ancestry as a % of each state's population They were right all along! Invaders in thrall to the an alien prince have taken over large regions of the U.S.! Now they fly their foreign flag through the streets of America with impunity! Even young children have been indoctrinated! Flying the flag of your ancestral home is not the same as hating and undermining the nation that took your sorry, tired & starving ass in.... But then you probably knew that before you dedicated your life to the pursuit of the perfection of intellectual dishonesty.
The Distributist: Flying the flag of your ancestral home is not the same as hating and undermining the nation
You're right! We would point out that previous generations had the same view of the Irish Papists. Z: We would point out that previous generations {of nativists} had the same view of the Irish Papists.
At risk of opening up a can of worms I would point out that this was NOT simply a case of nativist objecting to people of a particular religion. The Irish (bless their heart) brought with them to America the hate and animus to protestants that they enjoyed in their homeland. It was typical that the argument/disagreement you allude to was initiated by the Irish immigrant and not the American of a different faith.
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TheRiver
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2018-03-17 12:20
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TheRiver: The Irish (bless their heart) brought with them to America the hate and animus to protestants that they enjoyed in their homeland.
The feeling was often mutual. In particular, the anti-Papists considered Catholics to be loyal to the Pope above country, to be in thrall to the foreign prince. In any case, the Irish assimilated rather slowly, especially considered they already spoke English, but they did assimilate, just as the rest of American cultural absorbed aspects of Irish culture, as celebrated today.
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Zachriel
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2018-03-17 12:24
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The anti-papal feeling was not without merit. There were centuries of papal interference in most of Europe, subterfuge, spying, torture, treachery. The Church during the dark ages and the middle ages was oppressive and tyrannical. Almost everyone in Europe or from Europe knew this and feared Rome.
As for Kennedy; Well his father bought his presidency and the Catholic Church was part of that fraud. So it is what it is...
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OneGuy
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2018-03-17 15:13
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OneGuy: There were centuries of papal interference in most of Europe, subterfuge, spying, torture, treachery. The Church during the dark ages and the middle ages was oppressive and tyrannical. Almost everyone in Europe or from Europe knew this and feared Rome.
There were centuries of Protestant interference in most of Europe, subterfuge, spying, torture, treachery. Protestants during the Reformation were oppressive and tyrannical. Almost everyone in Europe or from Europe knew this and feared Protestantism.
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Zachriel
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2018-03-18 08:46
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Keep in mind that anti-Catholicism was common even when JFK ran for president in 1960.
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Zachriel
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2018-03-17 12:26
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And still common today... "...the dogma lives loudly within you..." -Dianne Feinstein interrogating Federal Court nominee Amy Barrett
The Distributist: And still common today... "...the dogma lives loudly within you..." -Dianne Feinstein interrogating Federal Court nominee Amy Barrett
That wouldn't be anti-Catholic, but anti-fundamentalist, any that hold an uncompromising religious anti-abortion stance. Feinstein's comment was wrong in any case. The nominee had already stated that "It’s never appropriate for a judge to impose that judge’s personal convictions, whether they derive from faith or anywhere else, on the law.”
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Zachriel
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2018-03-17 13:01
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The River: Actually it's not true that the Irish Catholics brought a hatred of Protestants with them. They never spoke a word about it. They were silent. I grew up in the most Irish area of the country outside of South Boston, so I know how it was. Irish Solidarity and Pride don't necessarily translate to hate of the "other". I know this based on my representative family. The Irish are great story tellers. We have lots of history passed down. I think the Protestant/Irish conflict that you speak of happened just in Northern Ireland.
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LP
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2018-03-17 17:47
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And I thought I grew up in the 2nd largest Irish enclave in America. I am not anti-Irish, my heritage is Scottish and would consider the Irish like brothers. Where I grew up there were immigrants from all over Europe and their families were clanish. They just were, not a criticism or prejudice. It never occurred to me to see it that way as a boy or later as a young man. I went to Greek Weddings and Italian weddings and funerals. I partied with the Irish kids and families and proudly wore the green. My Uncle was a Polish immigrant, my parents good friend was a Mafioso, half of the kids I played sports with in High School had changed their names to sound more American from the name I knew them in grade school. I briefly dated a girl who with her mother escaped from East Berlin in the 50's. A couple of my friends went on to work for the Mafia as enforcers. But the clanishness was strongest with those who had actually immigrated. The second generation, not so much. But it took very little to start an argument or a fight. There was underlying distrust of "others" that was handed down by parents and grandparents.
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TheRiver
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2018-03-17 21:43
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McCabe is now complaining that he is punished to hurt the Mueller "investigation."
What do they expect him to say ? "Copper, ya got me !" QUOTE: UMich Sentiment Soars To Record High As Poorest Americans Rejoice Wow! Looking at the UMich Sentiment chart, there was a dramatic downturn in 2007-2008, then a rapid turnaround and steady recovery starting in 2009. Wonder what happened? Wow! You are right. That dramatic downturn you refer to began just exactly when the Democrats got a majority in congress and began their effort to crash the economy to improve their chance of getting a Democrat elected president.
There is a lesson here. The Democrats hope to take over congress in 2018 so they can destroy Trump's economy. This has been a part of the Democrat election strategy for 100 years. OneGuy: That dramatic downturn you refer to began just exactly when the Democrats got a majority in congress and began their effort to crash the economy to improve their chance of getting a Democrat elected president.
The Democrats did not gain control of Congress until 2007. The bubble in real estate was already established at that point (beginning in about 2002, peaking in 2006). In addition, lacking a supermajority, Democrats could not pass legislation without Congressional Republican support, or the Republican President's approval. Absolutely wrong. The economic collapse was entirely the doing of the Democrats. The Bush administration warned Congress as early as 2001 that a bursting of the bubble and a financial collapse was likely to happen unless Congress reversed course forcing financial institutions to make billions of dollars of imprudent loans. Barney Frank and his Democrat compatriots blocked all those efforts. Then when they took over in 2007, they shut down the Bush administration so it could not take any action at all. And began triggering the financial collapse by their statements about the financial system. And the rest is history, for which the Democrats have yet to be held to account. And remember that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were both still headed by incompetent Clinton administration hacks.
Democrats like Frank, Pelosi, Schumer, Waters and others should be serving lifetime prison sentences for the financial crimes they were involved in which destroyed our country's economy and now turned us into a third world ghetto. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPSDnGMzIdo Jim: Barney Frank and his Democrat compatriots blocked all those efforts.
Ignoring the argument doesn't make it go away. The bubble was formed from 2002-2006 during a time when Republicans controlled both houses of Congress and the Presidency. The Democrats who took control in 2007 may have been equally feckless, but the die had been cast. Jim: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPSDnGMzIdo "The legislation was blocked." Note the passive voice. Barney Frank was in the minority and could not block legislation in 2003. In fact, Frank supported legislation in 2005 and 2007 to regulate GSEs. In any case, GSEs were not the epicenter of the financial crisis, but the shadow market in securities.
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Zachriel
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2018-03-18 08:56
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Oh! You mean that bubble that the Democrats in congress in the 90's created with their regulations forcing lenders to make loans to people who could not afford them. And then forced the banks to sell the loans through Fanny Mae And Freddy Mac exactly so they would again have money to make more sub-prime loans. That bubble???
OneGuy: You mean that bubble that the Democrats in congress in the 90's created with their regulations forcing lenders to make loans to people who could not afford them.
The market bubble didn't develop until about 2002-2006. Like all market bubbles, it was demand driven. OneGuy: And then forced the banks to sell the loans through Fanny Mae And Freddy Mac exactly so they would again have money to make more sub-prime loans. Subprime loans were a product of Wall Street, and the demand was through the shadow market in securities. Fanny Mae and Freddy Mac were latecomers to the party.
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Zachriel
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2018-03-18 09:59
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“The market bubble didn't develop until about 2002-200”
Like stopping a locomotive or turning a big ship it takes awhile before the effect are noticeable. The Democrats created that bubble in the late 90’s and it burst in the early 2000’s. It is what it is. “Subprime loans were a product of Wall Street” No! Subprime loans were created by a regulation from congress. They demanded that banks and mortgage companies make loans to people who would never have qualified without those regulations and then just for good measure they allowed these loans to be made at 90% and even 97% so that the borrower had little skin in the game. Anyone who passed a basic economics class in school could have predicted the result of this foolish move. If you paid attention back then to who the Democrats had in congress it was obvious that they never took an economics class.
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OneGuy
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2018-03-18 17:12
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OneGuy: Like stopping a locomotive or turning a big ship it takes awhile before the effect are noticeable. The Democrats created that bubble in the late 90’s and it burst in the early 2000’s.
The bubble burst in the late 00s. The pricing curve in the late 1990s looked like a typical rise. From 2002-2006 prices soared into an obvious market bubble. There was more than sufficient time for the Bush Administration and the Republican Congress to take corrective action. OneGuy: Subprime loans were created by a regulation from congress. While subprime loans had been around for a long time, it was the development of new mortgage-backed securities that led to the rise of the sub-prime market. Again, like all market bubbles, it was demand driven.
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Zachriel
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2018-03-19 09:34
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QUOTE: Here's Why You Probably Won't Read This Article About Syria There have been periodic reports on the evening news, but it can be difficult to find something new to say, that is, something that is news: "Children are {still} dying in Syria". QUOTE: Decisions made by US President Donald Trump’s administration have contributed to keeping the conflict from the international community’s attention. Certainly the Trump Administration has been avoiding discussion of civilian casualties. Trump could speak out on the violence, but the apparent policy is to allow the conflict to reach its bloody conclusion through the al Assad-Russia alliance. Tell us please. What would you do in Syria to stop or reverse what is going on there? I only see very bad choices with little chance of any of them resulting in less killing or an end to war and the oppressive government there.
OneGuy: What would you do in Syria to stop or reverse what is going on there?
That's an important question with no clear answer. Once the U.S. imploded the Middle East, events have spiraled out of control. Direct intervention has been tried (Iraq). Indirect intervention has been tried (Libya). Minimal intervention has been tried (Syria). None of have been successful. Trump avoiding the issue of civilian casualties is not unusual for a politician faced with few real choices. An American president, tilting towards Russia in the hopes they can establish stability through a bloody war of attrition is rather unusual, though. Maybe Trump should declare a Red Line and then not do jackshit when it's crossed.
Ahhh! Yes, we all remember the Middle East before the U.S. imploded it. Those halcyon days before we "intervened". Wish it were still like that. Saddam killing 20,000 of his citizens every month. Building WMD's. Those were the good old days...
"An American president, tilting towards Russia" Oh you mean that reset button and Obama telling Medvedev that after the election he could collude with Russia with impunity. Was that your point? OneGuy: Yes, we all remember the Middle East before the U.S. imploded it.
The U.S. has been meddling in the Middle East since WWII, and other western powers have been involved for much longer. OneGuy: Saddam killing 20,000 of his citizens every month. Over a million died in the Iran-Iraq War. The U.S. provided aid to Iraq during that period even though they started the war. OneGuy: Building WMD's. Yet Iraq abandoned its WMD programs under U.N. sanction.
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Zachriel
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2018-03-18 10:04
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Happy St.Pats.to all you Irish flatdicks,and all.
Van Morrison - Into The Mystic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpPSBzGEklE RL, Not sure it's a good idea to insult a whole race of people by calling them flatdicks, a term I've never heard until now. Why did you feel the need to do that?
I am mostly Irish and it is said in good humor.We say it to each other all the time.Absolutely no insult intended.Have a good'un!
LP You gotta read up on some Irish humor, clean and dirty jokes.
The Next Big Republican Spending Bill Is Packed With Liberal Priorities
Full funding for Planned Parenthood Extension of Obama’s executive amnesty Obamacare bailout that helps insurance companies Restoration of the Export-Import Bank A sweeping tax on internet sales Mitch McConnell’s long-sought earmark for the NRSC http://thefederalist.com/2018/03/15/the-next-big-republican-spending-bill-is-packed-with-liberal-priorities/ When is zachie-baby just going to go away. He is ruining the opportunity for some highly intelligent and valuable discussion at one of the great sites.
It's amazing! Most people of any social maturity realize when they are not welcome and find another crowd more suitable to their level. Planet Z won't go away until their funding dries up; the best thing to do is ignore the noise and breathe through your mouth when passing.
Jerryskids: It's amazing!
We visited Maggie's Farm for the Dylan. We stayed for what was promised to be "inquiring, skeptical, politically centrist" discussions. Jerryskids: Ask an Iranian how much better off they were once they replaced the Shah with the Ayatollah. The conservative Iranian government has strong core support, especially in rural areas. Re: Here's Why You Probably Won't Read This Article About Syria
Because I find it hard to care when 17 different Muslim sects who all wish I was dead fight amongst themselves? Assad's a brutal dictator, I'm sure, but at least he's a secular, Westernized brutal dictator and everybody trying to oust him wants to replace him with a Muslim fanatic brutal dictator. Ask an Iranian how much better off they were once they replaced the Shah with the Ayatollah. Sadly, there's no James Madison over there waiting in the wings for his opportunity to introduce a better form of government. Amen. If they aren't killing each other they gang up on Christians, Jews, Hindus or whoever is handy that needs to be inducted into the Islamic tribe.
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