Wednesday morning links

Nice article about the Glock, but Mizokami's research wasn't thorough enough to turn up the Steyr GB, the also-ran in the Austrian handgun acquisition. Steyr makes some sweet 9mm's these days; the L9-A1 is a joy to shoot (this guy https://www.personaldefenseworld.com/2014/10/gun-review-steyr-l9-a1-9mm/ agrees with me).

#1 Mike Anderson (Link) on 2018-02-21 08:22 (Reply)

Why Glock Dominates the Handgun Market (And Better than Sig Sauer and Beretta)

Glock got their position in the market the old-fashioned way: they BOUGHT IT! With very low prices to law enforcement and very decent reliability; can't read a "Comments" section of any article about Glock without some Glock owner claiming his worked so well after dropping it in the mud! Glocks are almost idiot-proof! The perfect gun for "Everyman."

Prefer a Sig 226: It makes its owner a better shooter! Rock steady when aimed, shot after shot. And one takes care NOT to drop a Sig in the mud.

#2 B48 on 2018-02-21 08:34 (Reply)

"The Next Step Toward Universal Health Care"

Imagine what uncontrolled immigration and single payer health care will do to our country. Higher taxes, much higher. Under funded legitimate government programs like national defense. Why would any American political party push so hard for both of these things??? IMHO no "America" political party would. The Democrats were hijacked years ago by Marxist socialist and by communist. I think at this point the Democrat party are anti-constitution and anti-American.

#3 GoneWithTheWind on 2018-02-21 09:56 (Reply)

**There are no plausible options that offer more than the faintest prospect of preventing the next massacre.**

Yes there is! The family is the basic unit of civilization. Stop all the craptalk:
men and women are the same,
its ok to be homosexual,
there is no shame in being single and pregnant,
lets pay single pregnant women more benefits than married women.

#4 bgarrett on 2018-02-21 10:05 (Reply)

Looks plausible to me.

I'd also add removing the nihilistic and history is all white oppression materials from the classrooms.

#4.1 DrTorch on 2018-02-21 10:59 (Reply)

For a short while, the Israelis had a problem with mass shootings at schools.

So they posted armed guards at every school, and ensured that several teachers and administrators were also armed (and trained).

Since they made that change there have been two attempted mass shootings at schools, and in both cases the terrorist perps were shot dead by the armed employees at the schools.

#4.2 peacelovewoodstock on 2018-02-21 12:40 (Reply)

peacelovewoodstock: So they posted armed guards at every school, and ensured that several teachers and administrators were also armed (and trained).

Teachers are generally not armed, but security is typically tight with guards posted at most schools. On the other hand, Israel has comprehensive gun control, including strict licensing. They also have universal health care including mental health services.

#4.2.1 Zachriel on 2018-02-21 13:08 (Reply)

I never once read that Nicolas Cruz was denied mental health treatment for financial reasons. I read lots of times that many different organizations (the school, Broward County, and on up to the FBI) simply walked away from the problem, claiming they didn't have authority to intervene.

#4.2.1.1 Christopher B on 2018-02-21 13:28 (Reply)

Real human: You know, once you arm potential victims, crime drops. Like gravity and falling, there's a natural correlation.

Clattering Site Robot(s): We observe that there is a chink in your argument that we can turn into a thread diversion, our specialty. Initiating thread hijack in an effort to diffuse the logic of your observation and remodel plain life into our programming's obsessive progressive bent.

Real human: Whatever, CSR(s). The actual problem is that a mindless robot(s) like you somehow cannot see that when real humans possess appliances designed to prevent crime that they deploy those appliances designed to prevent crime and prevent crime.

Clattering Site Robot(s) We(s) further observe that where reality is concerned, real human, that eggs and mules and falafel. We(s) further orbit the instantaneous center of the known soapsud.

Real human: I mean, look at this thing. It seems unaware that lives are in the balance. Wow.

Clattering Site Robot(s) WHAT ARE YOU A TROLL REAL HUMAN? Gypsies utter handwaving.

Real human: Nah, it's actually intentional...

Clattering Site Robot(s) HANDWAVING! MORE HANDWAVING! [SNAP! Fzzzzt. Lights dim and breakers strain. Ventilation fans race.]

Real human:

Clattering Site Robot(s)

Real human: Anyway, when folks defend themselves folks defend themselves. I know, right?

#4.2.1.2 Meh, confounder of CSR(s) on 2018-02-21 13:55 (Reply)

re US Marines Quietly Lower Combat Training Requirements To Help Female Officers

Because we must have women combat officers and they can’t past the test. Diversity and inclusiveness trumps competence.

Incompetence gets people killed.

#5 feeblemind on 2018-02-21 10:21 (Reply)

There is one tautological reason why gun bans don't work:

Criminals don't obey laws.

#6 another guy named Dan on 2018-02-21 10:29 (Reply)

As Mark Steyn once observed about the UK, the only people there who now have unrestricted use of firearms are the criminals.

#6.1 JJM on 2018-02-21 11:35 (Reply)

JJM: As Mark Steyn once observed about the UK, the only people there who now have unrestricted use of firearms are the criminals.

Intentional homicide rate, per 100,000 inhabitants:

U.K., 0.92
U.S., 4.88

#6.1.1 Zachriel on 2018-02-21 12:24 (Reply)

The homicide rate in NW European countries went down before the laws changed. That is, the laws cannot be shown to move the dial. Ancestry seems to be the biggest factor, as the descendants of NW Europeans (and NE Asians, and Jews) in America have homicide rates similar to those countries of origin. Not a lot of Swedish-American violent crime, y'know? There is an ancestry effect, as Steven Pinker illustrates, but doesn't dare say, in The Better Angels of Our Nature. The part about 4 cities producing 25% of the gun homicides wasn't as congenial to your point, was it? Much more fun to imply that it's all of America and our gun laws that are the problem.

Also, there is variation even within the UK, of similar distribution. The rest of Europe is showing the same pattern as well. What are the odds, eh?

#6.1.1.1 Assistant Village Idiot (Link) on 2018-02-21 14:17 (Reply)

Prepare for a veritable onslaught of bullshit from the CSR(s), Assistant. Here it comes. Woe is human humanity real people persons.

Fall before it, all you handwaving trolls. The Robot(s) Cometh.

#6.1.1.1.1 Meh, Confounder of CSR(s) on 2018-02-21 14:27 (Reply)

Assistant Village Idiot: The homicide rate in NW European countries went down before the laws changed.

Perhaps we misunderstood JJM's comment, but JJM seemed to be saying that people would be defenseless against criminals with guns, when the homicide rate in U.K. is actually much lower than in the U.S. which has ample guns.

By the way, U.K. is quite diverse, including people of Irish descent! as well as a large number of Asians and Africans.

#6.1.1.1.2 Zachriel on 2018-02-21 15:02 (Reply)

Clattering Site Robot(s): [Bzzzt] We(s) note that we(s) note that if we(s) short a rectifier and stare just so out our(s) single gigantic monochromatic green display that we(s) can dot matrix out a statement that completely obscures and real human person points. This serves our(s) purposes.

Here, and we(s) quote ourselves(s): The UK has a lower per capita homicide rate.

Real human:Of course, us real human people persons know that any simplification of crime or homicide rates renders them pointless. The sociology alone makes any such attempt meaningless. What, are you conflating London with South Central or rural Wyoming?

Clattering Site Robot(s): [Frantically scrapes memory, engages ancient and largely unused Human Impersonation module v.1.102.] Here, and we(s) quote ourselves(s): The UK has a lower per capita homicide rate. Are we(s) not replying to some real human person people original assertion somewhere? [Casts gigantic monochromatic eyeball downward demurely, lightly flutters sheaf of perforated paper.]

Real human:

Clattering Site Robot(s):

Real human: And? I mean-

Clattering Site Robot(s): Handwaving!

Real human:

Clattering Site Robot(s): TROLL?

Real human:

Clattering Site Robot(s):

Real human: It's a tape loop, isn't it?

#6.1.1.1.2.1 Meh, Confounder of CSR(s) on 2018-02-21 15:56 (Reply)

I could be cute and just say say we have a different definition of a "large number of Asians and Africans." But the dishonesty of your statement begs for a more thorough refutation. Asians (7%, including all of Asian descent, which is a pretty diverse place) generally have low violent crime rates, though a few subgroups are high. Africans 3% is not large, and that is also a mixed group. The UK is still enormously white.

Few countries in the world are truly multi-ethnic, and American (okay, and Canada) are miles ahead of everyone else in really different groups actually getting along.

#6.1.1.1.2.2 Assistant Village Idiot (Link) on 2018-02-21 21:21 (Reply)

Assistant Village Idiot: Asians (7%, including all of Asian descent, which is a pretty diverse place) generally have low violent crime rates, though a few subgroups are high. Africans 3% is not large, and that is also a mixed group.

You forgot those of Irish descent, who represent about 20% of U.K.'s demographics. Leaving the Irish aside, about 85% of the U.K. is white, including other European ethnicities. That means if you walk down a busy street, especially in an urban area, you are likely to cross paths with many non-Europeans.

#6.1.1.1.2.2.1 Zachriel on 2018-02-22 09:57 (Reply)

"Perhaps we misunderstood JJM's comment, but JJM seemed to be saying that people would be defenseless against criminals with guns..."

I meant nothing more than what I said: that in the UK, only criminals have unrestricted access to firearms.

#6.1.1.1.2.3 JJM on 2018-02-22 09:42 (Reply)

JJM: I meant nothing more than what I said: that in the UK, only criminals have unrestricted access to firearms.

Except criminals do not have unrestricted access to firearms. Crimes committed with firearms are rare in U.K.

#6.1.1.1.2.3.1 Zachriel on 2018-02-22 10:01 (Reply)

"How The UK Covers Up Murder Stats"
http://maggiesfarm.anotherdotcom.com/archives/31251-Wednesday-morning-links.html#serendipity_CommentForm

#6.1.1.2 TheRiver on 2018-02-21 16:54 (Reply)

Thanks to our Second Amendment, the United States has fewer mass shootings per capita than many other developed countries, including Norway, France, Switzerland, Finland, Belgium and the Czech Republic. (And 98 percent of our mass shootings occur in “gun-free zones.”)

But imagine if we could cut our mass shootings in half?

There have been about 34 mass shootings since 2000. Forty-seven percent — 16 — were committed by first- and second-generation immigrants, i.e. people who never would have been here but for Teddy Kennedy’s 1965 immigration act.

#6.1.1.3 OneGuy on 2018-02-21 22:14 (Reply)

Subtract out intentional homicides in Chicago, Baltimore, and other Democrat Leftist bastions.

#6.1.1.4 Bill Carson on 2018-02-22 10:53 (Reply)

"A fine firearm, but butt-ugly "

Doesn't have to be -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhC8LpHPbRQ

#7 Roy Lofquist on 2018-02-21 10:58 (Reply)

"A fine firearm, but butt-ugly "

What would you consider beautiful.

I sometimes reminisce over the old FN C1A1 of my Canadian youth.
Rifles are like women in a sense.

#7.1 David on 2018-02-21 14:15 (Reply)

Hi-points! Lol.

Seriously 'beauty' when it comes to guns is in the eye of the beholder... and the shooter. I'll take cheap, ugly and fairly accurate over something really pretty that I can't afford.

#7.1.1 JLawson on 2018-02-21 14:53 (Reply)

"I sometimes reminisce over the old FN C1A1 of my Canadian youth."

Sigh.

It's significant that the rifle I trained with as a young subaltern in the Canadian Army is now on display in the Canadian War Museum (and I'm sure the WWII/Korea generation ahead of me felt the same when the Lee-Enfield showed up there in a display case).

The FN was a powerful rifle too. Huddling behind a brick wall was not much protection from a good grouping of 7.62mm rounds at the right engagement range.

#7.1.2 JJM on 2018-02-22 09:38 (Reply)

https://tinyurl.com/yb3xpvmr
I don't consider this to be ugly, but your mileage may vary.

If you want a .556 platform that is both pleasing to the eye and performs in the most punishing conditions, I recommend this Tavor: https://iwi.us/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/TSB16L.png

I think my next long rifle will be chambered for the new .224 Valkrie round. Very low recoil for so much power.

#8 Dangerous Dean on 2018-02-21 14:38 (Reply)

Re: the Formall at St. Nicholas Abbey. Were you lucky enough to be at the mill when the steam engine was running?

#9 Knucklehead (Link) on 2018-02-21 15:16 (Reply)

"Light trigger pull"? What the hell. The glock is known for its extra heavy trigger pull.

#10 TWS on 2018-02-21 20:58 (Reply)

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Wednesday, February 21. 2018

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