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Tuesday, November 21. 2017

Why We Love Farmers Markets - They are relatively free of federal regulation, and that's what makes them great.

Environmentalist Attack Against Capitalism in NYT

The US had wonderful Conservation organizations until the Enviro Lefty wackos coopted them

Rush: If Global Warming Were Science, It Wouldn’t Need a PR Campaign

Who's Worse For The Environment: Merkel Or Trump?

Why should Americans agree about politics - or anything else?

Black Female Writer For Lena Dunham's Lenny Letter Quits. She Says Dunham Is A Racist.

Of course she is. All white people are racists

Student op-ed: Outdoor clubs are too white

TA scolded for playing Jordan Peterson video in class

Prof. Peterson is Hitler

Who is really "obsessed by sex"?

Oregon leads the way in the protection of minors from sexual abuse: Teachers who think a student may be having sex must report it to the police.

NYT White House correspondent Glenn Thrush’s history of bad judgment around young women journalists

Add some women to men in a workplace, then add some alcohol or coke - and voila, things happen.

Bill Clinton is facing new accusations of sexual assault by four women while the former president was working with a billionaire playboy and flying on his private jet nicknamed Air F**k One, claims Clinton author

US Congressmen Trying to Prevent Israel from Arresting Teen Terrorists

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Oregon leads the way in the protection of minors from sexual abuse: Teachers who think a student may be having sex must report it to the police.

Step 756 in criminalizing normal behavior.

#1 fjord on 2017-11-21 08:36 (Reply)

Oregon: How they howled back in the 80's when the "religious right" suggested less totalitarian measures. The left wing is letting its totalitarianism show. I wonder how far it'll go.

#2 forest on 2017-11-21 09:20 (Reply)

it's not just OR

Kid in my daughter's school is now a participant in the just-us system because of "inappropriate touching of others". (PA)

Should this be resolved of the just-us system? No.
Don't they have any real criminals to contend with?

He didn't assault or rape anyone. Or have consensual sex with anyone.
My guess is he doesn't have a dad to kick his ass or learn that lesson (that you get in kindergarten) about personal space about keeping his hands to himself.

Would have been resolved if a few girls kicked him in the nuts, but then they would be part of the just-us system (for assault).

#2.1 fjord on 2017-11-21 09:25 (Reply)

I live in PA too. The mandatory abuse reporting is zero-tolerance (zero judgement) system that's causing lots of problems. It's the result of State-Run Penn State misconduct. Anyway, I ended up having the government called on me bc of my son having a tantrum and flopping around on the floor before school one day. His face was red and he was angry when he went to school, so a mandatory reporter felt she needed to report it to The State as potential child abuse. It was nothing of course, and we met once with a social worker and that was that, but the whole thing was very disturbing to my wife and kids. Totally counterproductive, and in our time of ubiquitous "background checks" who knows how destructive it could be to my family in the long run.

On a related note, I've seen kids actually being slammed and slapped around by their "parents" on school grounds. I don't think it was ever reported or even confronted by any of the 'mandatory reporters'. My theory is that 25 year old white women from the suburbs are afraid of black people, and tend to avoid confrontation with them.

#2.1.1 forest on 2017-11-21 10:48 (Reply)

This reminds me of the atmosphere described on Leah Remini's show about scientology. Kids put into 'camps' without their parents and encourage to write reports on each other a la communist USSR. Kids reported on other kids they didn't like, made up stories, etc.

Not only that thought ran through my mind, but the problem with innocent flirting - awkwardly done by boys, not knowing how to get a girl's attention. Now it will be punished? It's going to be one empty Homecoming Dance in the near future.

#2.1.2 MissT on 2017-11-21 14:56 (Reply)

QUOTE:

Rush: If Global Warming Were Science, It Wouldn’t Need a PR Campaign

If evolution were science, it wouldn't need a PR campaign.
If eating fresh fruit and vegetables for health was science, it wouldn't need a PR campaign.
If vaccines were science, it wouldn't need a PR campaign.

QUOTE:

That’s the thing about science. If it’s real, there’s no convincing.

There's plenty of convincing in science, and it's done with scientific evidence.

QUOTE:

Science doesn’t need a political action committee.

Policy proposals based on science might.

QUOTE:

It’s tested to the point of infallibility, and only then are conclusions published.

Uh, no. Scientific conclusions are always fallible, and published science includes discussions of possible uncertainties.

QUOTE:

All they’ve got is computer models.

Well, that, and observations from ground stations, sea buoys, radiosondes, satellites, ships, a variety of proxy measures for historical data, and even ecological observations.

QUOTE:

if there was science, there would be nothing to argue about.

People still argue about evolution, even though it's been established science for generations. Gee whiz. Just because Rush likes to argue doesn't mean it isn't science.

#3 Zachriel on 2017-11-21 09:42 (Reply)

Thats nice Zack...but you missed the point.
All those examples you provide have no context to the point about "Global Warming".
The point made is, everyone would be noticing obvious changes that affect their lives related to the outdoors, because everyone is surrounded by the outdoors. It's not happening beyond normal and natural cycles and people can see that......but you be you...preach your religion...point out the "sins"..evangelize my brother! Preach!
Carry on.

#3.1 Dale on 2017-11-21 10:25 (Reply)

Dale: The point made is, everyone would be noticing obvious changes that affect their lives related to the outdoors, because everyone is surrounded by the outdoors.

Well, not necessarily, because the greatest effects of global warming are delayed, but baked in. However, people all over the world are already noticing changes to their local climate, especially people who live in higher latitudes.

One might attribute these changes to natural causation, however, the evidence is that the changes are not natural, that they are happening much faster than historical climate change, and that the warming will continue for many decades, even if humans take action.

#3.1.1 Zachriel on 2017-11-21 10:40 (Reply)

Well, not necessarily, because the greatest effects of global warming are delayed, but baked in. However, people all over the world are already noticing changes to their local climate, especially people who live in higher latitudes.

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Yeah...no.
They've "been delayed" for the last half century. NONE of the dire predictions as to what life will be like "just around the corner", have come to pass.
0.8 degree rise in the last 100 years. If that is not within a natural cycle range....what would be??

The whole AGW shtick is being seen as the fraudulent money grab that it has always been.

Serious question...what do your science experts think a natural rise or fall..stated in degrees...would be over the span of 100 years?

#3.1.1.1 Dale on 2017-11-21 10:59 (Reply)

Dale: 0.8 degree rise in the last 100 years. If that is not within a natural cycle range....what would be??

By itself, that would not be a concern, but even if humans stopped emitting greenhouse gases, the equilibrium temperature would still be somewhat higher, and with a doubling of CO2, equilibrium temperature will be 2-4°C higher, which is a cause for concern.

Dale: If that is not within a natural cycle range....what would be??

Even if it were within the limits of natural variation, that doesn't mean it is natural variation, or that continued emissions wouldn't result in a much warmer world.

As for natural rates of change, the end of the last ice age saw temperatures rise about 4°C over 10,000 years.

Dale: what do your science experts think a natural rise or fall..stated in degrees...would be over the span of 100 years?

About flat, perhaps slightly cooling.

#3.1.1.1.1 Zachriel on 2017-11-21 11:15 (Reply)

But, but, what...

QUOTE:

A new NASA study provides space-based evidence that Earth’s tropical regions were the cause of the largest annual increases in atmospheric carbon dioxide concentration seen in at least 2,000 years.
———————
These record increases occurred even though emissions from human activities in 2015-16 are estimated to have remained roughly the same as they were prior to the El Nino,…
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They found the total amount of carbon released to the atmosphere from all land areas increased by 3 gigatons in 2015, due to the El Nino. About 80 percent of that amount — or 2.5 gigatons of carbon — came from natural processes occurring in tropical forests in South America, Africa and Indonesia, with each region contributing roughly the same amount.

https://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.php?CFID=75717ab6-3467-4aeb-9295-b6d9adfd9042&CFTOKEN=0&feature=6973

#3.1.1.1.1.1 drowningpuppies on 2017-11-21 13:33 (Reply)

Maggie's Farm area:

QUOTE:

Observed Climate Change: Between 1895 and 2011, temperatures in the Northeast increased by almost 2˚F (0.16˚F per decade), and precipitation increased by approximately five inches, or more than 10% (0.4 inches per decade). Coastal flooding has increased due to a rise in sea level of approximately 1 foot since 1900. This rate of sea level rise exceeds the global average of approximately 8 inches, due primarily to land subsidence, although recent research suggests that changes in ocean circulation in the North Atlantic – specifically, a weakening of the Gulf Stream – may also play a role.

The Northeast has experienced a greater recent increase in extreme precipitation than any other region in the United States; between 1958 and 2010, the Northeast saw more than a 70% increase in the amount of precipitation falling in very heavy events (defined as the heaviest 1% of all daily events).

http://nca2014.globalchange.gov/report/regions/northeast

#3.1.2 Zachriel on 2017-11-21 10:51 (Reply)

The Northeast has experienced a greater recent increase in extreme precipitation than any other region in the United States; between 1958 and 2010, the Northeast saw more than a 70% increase in the amount of precipitation falling in very heavy events (defined as the heaviest 1% of all daily events).
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Thats nice.

So what??

Serious question....how have you personally been affected by this crisis? What changes have you been forced to make based on serious environmental crisis of AGW in your every day life??

#3.1.2.1 Dale on 2017-11-21 11:12 (Reply)

Dale: So what??

Someone said, "The point made is, everyone would be noticing obvious changes that affect their lives related to the outdoors, because everyone is surrounded by the outdoors."

The change is slow, so young people and people with little contact with the outdoors may not notice. Nonetheless, changes to the climate are occurring.

#3.1.2.1.1 Zachriel on 2017-11-21 11:19 (Reply)

Our opinions are our own, ...
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open societies clean up pollution...

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Ummm.. who do you mean by "our" opinions??

Ummm...."Open Society"....where have I head that before??? LOL.
Thanks Zack!

#3.1.2.1.1.1 Dale on 2017-11-21 12:41 (Reply)

Z: open societies clean up pollution...

Yes, societies which have protection for freedom of speech and the right to assemble for a redress of grievances have a mechanism for addressing the problem of pollution. How did you think it worked?

#3.1.2.1.1.1.1 Zachriel on 2017-11-21 17:59 (Reply)

Zzzzz:

QUOTE:

The Northeast has experienced a greater recent increase in extreme precipitation than any other region in the United States...

It's called weather, kidz.

#3.1.2.2 drowningpuppies on 2017-11-21 13:52 (Reply)

Heh, you made a lot of points you didn't intend to.

Other things you just got flat out wrong.

It's pretty funny that you don't understand any of these issues.

I'd say stick to what you know, but you've never shown us anything in that regard.

#3.2 DrTorch on 2017-11-21 10:28 (Reply)

DrTorch: you made a lot of points you didn't intend to.

Which points?

DrTorch: Other things you just got flat out wrong.

Which things?

#3.2.1 Zachriel on 2017-11-21 10:42 (Reply)

And another round of tap dancing by the kidz begins...
This should be entertaining...
And 5, 6, 7, 8...

#3.2.1.1 drowningpuppies on 2017-11-21 13:15 (Reply)

Not from me.

zachriel doesn't show this board respect, she comes on and repeats demonstrated falsehoods and repeated fallacious claims.

So I certainly don't use my valuable time to answer her ignorant questions on topics she won't, or can't, research herself.

She wants to make a fool of herself, that's her choice. Mine is to point it out.

#3.2.1.1.1 DrTorch on 2017-11-21 13:43 (Reply)

My commentz are always directed towardz the tap dancing kidz.
Sorry for the confusion, Doc.

#3.2.1.1.1.1 drowningpuppies on 2017-11-21 13:57 (Reply)

Zachriel: Which things?

DrTorch: So I certainly don't use my valuable time to answer her ignorant questions on topics she won't, or can't, research herself.

Yet, you found the time to say that we were wrong about "things", but can't or won't say what those "things" are. And you found the time to say you won't waste your valuable time.

#3.2.1.1.1.2 Zachriel on 2017-11-21 18:04 (Reply)

And 5, 6, 7, 8...

https://i.imgur.com/twyAeSV.gif

#3.2.1.1.1.2.1 drowningpuppies on 2017-11-21 21:00 (Reply)

My time is used for whatever I wish. It's called freedom. I know you don't like it.

#3.2.1.1.1.2.2 DrTorch on 2017-11-22 12:14 (Reply)

DrTorch: My time is used for whatever I wish.

Sure. Just let us know if and when you wish to discuss the topic, which concerned the nature of the scientific endeavor, and your bald claim that "Other things you just got flat out wrong."

#3.2.1.1.1.2.2.1 Zachriel on 2017-11-22 15:09 (Reply)

You have yet to properly answer my questions:

What is the perfect temperature of the Earth?

When did it happen?

#3.3 jimg on 2017-11-21 14:15 (Reply)

jimg: What is the perfect temperature of the Earth?

We've address this before. It's a nonsense question, as there is no such thing as a perfect temperature for Earth. However, human civilization has developed during a long period of relatively stable climate, and stability is conducive to continued human prosperity.

#3.3.1 Zachriel on 2017-11-21 18:01 (Reply)

QUOTE:

Who's Worse For The Environment: Merkel Or Trump?

Carbon emissions (metric tons per capita)
Germany 9.2
United States 16.4

GDP to CO2 emissions (per metric ton)
Germany $3621
United States $2291

#4 Zachriel on 2017-11-21 09:48 (Reply)

China is of interest:

Carbon emissions (metric tons per capita)
China 7.6

GDP to CO2 emissions (per metric ton)
China 435

The key here is that China is very inefficient in terms of CO2 emissions, meaning China is very inefficient in terms of energy usage. China's government understands this connection, and knows it has to modernize its energy infrastructure.

#4.1 Zachriel on 2017-11-21 10:07 (Reply)

It's known as cheap coal, and no emissions standards. It would be one thing if China only polluted itself, but its toxic atmosphere extends over South Korea and portions of Japan at certain times of the year. It really sucks to be living in Korea at these times.

It's one reason why I consider the Paris climate "treaty" such a joke, in that it doesn't put any limits on China's polluting. All the "treaty" did was increase China's competitive economic position at the expense of other countries who have cleaned up their environments. Ask anyone in China and they will tell you they have the right to pollute in order that China can "catch up" to the Western countries in terms of prosperity. So there is no concept in China of reducing CO2 emissions, no matter what misguided Western reporting may try to convince you.

I will give Mainland China credit that they abolished gas fueled mopeds and now they are all electric. That has helped and they are a lot quieter. Unfortunately, that also means you have no warning when you are about to be run over, which you are risk for much of the time.

#4.1.1 Jim on 2017-11-21 14:40 (Reply)

On a lighter note:

https://www.facebook.com/HongKongGoodNews/videos/1773543782719550/

#4.1.1.1 Jim on 2017-11-21 15:07 (Reply)

Jim: It's known as cheap coal, and no emissions standards.

That's right. Incentives are to use the cheapest possible energy source, while weak civic society means that pollution continues unabated until it starts to actually inhibit economic expansion.

Jim: It's one reason why I consider the Paris climate "treaty" such a joke, in that it doesn't put any limits on China's polluting

China has committed to peak CO2 emissions by 2030, which is 14% below the business as usual scenario.

#4.1.1.2 Zachriel on 2017-11-21 18:11 (Reply)

OH BOY! The Zach Borg received a new injection of cash from Soros 'minions!

Too bad they didn't use it to buy some brains!

#5 B48 on 2017-11-21 09:57 (Reply)

I think they are a program. They continually spit out the same drivel. Any perceived atack against the religion of global warming, must be challenged.

#5.1 B.Hammer on 2017-11-21 10:17 (Reply)

B48: The Zach Borg received a new injection of cash from Soros 'minions!

Our opinions are our own, and freely given. We accept no remuneration for posting.

You're welcome!

#5.2 Zachriel on 2017-11-21 10:55 (Reply)

Yes, interesting, Zach's a bot, although fairly sophisticated. But this is one answer it's programmed to give to various questions about how it's paid, as shown by the Google search:

https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1CHMO_enUS582US582&ei=0M8UWr-_BoLTjAP8xoLwDQ&q=%22Our+opinions+are+our+own%2C+and+freely+given.%22&oq=%22Our+opinions+are+our+own%2C+and+freely+given.%22&gs_l=psy-ab.3...30244.32155.0.32475.2.2.0.0.0.0.137.265.0j2.2.0....0...1c.1.64.psy-ab..0.1.127...35i39k1.0.WMeDB1G5Jbg

8/28/17: "Our opinions are our own, and freely given.

You're welcome."

10/9/17: "Our opinions are our own, and freely given. "

10/28/17: "Our opinions are our own, and freely given. We accept no remuneration."

#5.2.1 Jim on 2017-11-21 20:29 (Reply)

Our answer has been consistent, including the use of iambs.

#5.2.1.1 Zachriel on 2017-11-22 09:44 (Reply)

The views that we express belong to us and us alone, and we obtain no compensation.

#5.2.1.2 Zachriel on 2017-11-22 10:42 (Reply)

QUOTE:

Environmentalist Attack Against Capitalism in NYT ...The real culprit of the climate crisis is not any particular form of consumption, production or regulation but rather the very way in which we globally produce, which is for profit rather than for sustainability.

Capitalism tends to pollute. As long as it is cheaper to dump your pollution in the river, then those businesses that dump will prosper at the expense of those who don't dump, and to the detriment of those who live downstream.

QUOTE:

Which is odd, because the dirtiest economies have tended to be communist ones, such as the old Soviet Union and the People’s Republic of China.

As China has moved towards capitalism, its GDP has increased dramatically, as has its levels of pollution. Rather, the problem is due to the restrictions against forming civic organizations with the power to exert political pressure for change. Only as pollution has begun to stifle economic growth has the Chinese government taken notice.

This is one reason why mixed economies are the most successful economies.

#6 Zachriel on 2017-11-21 09:59 (Reply)

Z: Capitalism tends to pollute.

Communist Russia and China dispute that. Capitalism tends to clean up its messes.

#6.1 mudbug on 2017-11-21 11:48 (Reply)

mudbug: Communist Russia and China dispute that.

We addressed China. As China has moved towards capitalism, its GDP has increased dramatically, as has its levels of pollution.

mudbug: Capitalism tends to clean up its messes.

Rather, open societies clean up pollution by exerting political pressure against polluters.

#6.1.1 Zachriel on 2017-11-21 11:52 (Reply)

Z: As China has moved towards capitalism, its GDP has increased dramatically, as has its levels of pollution.

China is run by the Communist Party. If they wanted to reduce the pollution, they could.

Z: Rather, open societies clean up pollution by exerting political pressure against polluters.

Open societies tend to be capitalist.

#6.1.1.1 mudbug on 2017-11-21 12:57 (Reply)

True, but there are many factors toward capitalists cleaning things up, so zachriel is wrong again.

A significant factor toward cleaning things up is making money. So, envelope factories sell their scrap paper (as Harvey Mackay pointed out) they don't burn it.

Paint companies developed alternatives to lead b/c it made better paint, and TiO2 was cheaper than PbO. They developed latex (water based paints) b/c they're cheaper than using VOCs.

Chicken wings are no longer thrown out as scrap, b/c someone created a market for them.

#6.1.1.1.1 DrTorch on 2017-11-21 13:32 (Reply)

DrTorch: Chicken wings are no longer thrown out as scrap, b/c someone created a market for them.

Missed this one. Heh. Didn't know that chicken wings were a major source of industrial pollution. Now, if only they came up with a commercial use for car exhaust and industrial wastewater.

#6.1.1.1.1.1 Zachriel on 2017-11-23 08:55 (Reply)

mudbug: China is run by the Communist Party. If they wanted to reduce the pollution, they could.

But there is little incentive to do so until either it inhibits economic expansion, or it results in political instability. Unlike in democratic societies, there's little feedback from ordinary citizens to the government.

mudbug: Open societies tend to be capitalist.

Open societies have robust markets with property rights, but are typically mixed systems with strong institutional protections.

#6.1.1.1.2 Zachriel on 2017-11-21 18:16 (Reply)

mudbug: Capitalism tends to clean up its messes.

We also addressed this directly in terms of market forces. As long as it is cheaper to dump your pollution in the river, then those businesses that dump will prosper at the expense of those who don't dump, and to the detriment of those who live downstream.

#6.1.2 Zachriel on 2017-11-21 11:55 (Reply)

"Capitalism tends to pollute."

Wrong again. You have no ideas of the meaning of the words you use.

Manufacturing tends to pollute, regardless of the economic system.

E. Germany was an environmental wreck under communism, as was the USSR (e.g., Aral Sea), far worse than routinely seen in "capitalist" economies, because they manufactured.

You pretended to address China, but they aren't moving toward a more capital system, in the sense that it's private capital funding manufacturing directed by a free market. Rather it's a central planning office under gov't control. Just one of your many fallacies, this one being false equivalency.

"This is one reason why mixed economies are the most successful economies."

Another of your typical fallacies. Virtually all economies are mixed economies, so your term is vague as to be undefined, leaving your statement worthless.

Worthless, pretty much describes everything you've ever written here, or any of the other sites you've stalked me at.

#6.2 DrTorch on 2017-11-21 12:07 (Reply)

DrTorch: Manufacturing tends to pollute, regardless of the economic system.

True, but the cost of externalities, such as pollution, are not accounted for within the market system. And when controlling pollution costs — which it nearly always does —, then the market incentive is to pollute. The vast differences in pollution by country has to do with how responsive the political system is to citizens.

DrTorch: You pretended to address China, but they aren't moving toward a more capital system, in the sense that it's private capital funding manufacturing directed by a free market.

China has far more private capital in their economy than even just twenty years ago, nearly half of GDP.

DrTorch: Virtually all economies are mixed economies

Today, but not so just a generation ago under Communism, or before that unregulated capitalist systems.

#6.2.1 Zachriel on 2017-11-21 17:56 (Reply)

Are you anti-capitalist? Do you work? Do you enjoy any of the fruits of capitalism?

#6.3 OneGuy on 2017-11-21 16:08 (Reply)

OneGuy: Are you anti-capitalist?

Not at all. The right to property and to enter into private transactions is an essential liberty, albeit not unlimited. Furthermore, free markets are the engine of economic and technological growth.

#6.3.1 Zachriel on 2017-11-21 18:20 (Reply)

The Gang of Z has been taking their uppers today.

#7 Sam L. on 2017-11-21 12:02 (Reply)

The Z gang stated they have opinions...well, as long as they are not represented as anything else.

#7.1 indyjonesouthere on 2017-11-21 12:54 (Reply)

Outdoors clubs are RAAAAACIST!!!! And yet, generally open to anyone.

"Nine members of Congress have introduced a bill to prevent US aid to Israel from being used to arrest Palestinian terrorists who are under the age of 18." If they can't be arrested, then they must be shot. Yeah, it's hard-ass, but ya gotta do what ya gotta do.

#8 Sam L. on 2017-11-21 12:19 (Reply)

Sam L: If they can't be arrested, then they must be shot.

The article is incorrect. Rather, Israel has been using the military system to process minors, including the use of enhanced interrogation, lack of access to an attorney, or even their parents. The law addresses this, but it does not address Israel's right to arrest, prosecute, or imprison minors, after they have been accorded due process.

#8.1 Zachriel on 2017-11-21 18:26 (Reply)

It has been flat and it is cooling....sooo... natural?

#9 Dale on 2017-11-21 12:36 (Reply)

Dale: It has been flat and it is cooling ...

If you mean global mean temperature, it has been [/url=https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f8/Global_Temperature_Anomaly.svg]warming[/url].

#9.1 Zachriel on 2017-11-21 18:22 (Reply)

Those kidz do love their meaningless little graphs with squiggly lines.

#9.1.1 drowningpuppies on 2017-11-21 21:21 (Reply)

I saw "58 comments" and thought--yep, it's the Z show.

#10 Texan99 on 2017-11-23 11:42 (Reply)

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