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I wonder how many of the people who are stating the government has no right to force you to stand for the national anthem believe the government does have the right to force you to bake a cake for a gay wedding.
Just sayin'. Of course the government has no right to force anyone to stand for the national anthem. That doesn't mean I have to like anyone who won't, or do business with him, or watch him on TV.
Not that I would have watched anyone play football, at any time. My boycott isn't useful. LOL! Same here. I stopped paying any attention to professional football long ago. Generally dislike any football.
High school and college football is a sport. Professional football is entertainment. It's not real. It's like professional wrestling, except the winners get bigger prizes so they try harder to make it real.
Another Guy named Dan: I wonder how many of the people who are stating the government has no right to force you to stand for the national anthem ...
“They'll nail anyone who ever scratched his ass during the national anthem.” ― Humphrey Bogart Another Guy named Dan: believe the government does have the right to force you to bake a cake for a gay wedding. Next thing you know, they'll make a law saying you have to serve blacks and Jews. Wake me when Zach leads the PC police to shut down Muslim bakeries that won't serve same sex couples.
Dangerous Dean: Wake me when Zach leads the PC police to shut down Muslim bakeries that won't serve same sex couples.
Not sure about the PC police, but if you know of an example of someone breaking the law, you should inform the proper authorities; including if the perpetrator is a Muslim-owned bakery refusing to serve blacks, Jews, or gays. You're missing an important point about the difference between accommodation and personal expression. The argument is not that black and gay people cannot come into the store and buy donuts; it is that there is an element of personal artistry that entails expressive conduct.
I'll throw you another hypothetical: I run a book store. should the government, in the name of viewpoint non-discrimination, state that if I carry Anne Frank's "Diary of a Young Girl", I must also carry "Mein Kampf"? And I must grant them equal exposure and dignity, and if my sales records at the end of the year do not show equal sales, I should be stripped of my license to sell books? Another Guy named Dan: You're missing an important point about the difference between accommodation and personal expression.
We understand the difference. There's a difference between commissioning a painting and commissioning a wedding cake. Most wedding cakes are just wedding cakes. Another Guy named Dan: The argument is not that black and gay people cannot come into the store and buy donuts; it is that there is an element of personal artistry that entails expressive conduct. So you're saying a baker doesn't have to make a wedding cake for a mixed race couple, or someone divorced? Another Guy named Dan: I'll throw you another hypothetical: I run a book store. should the government, in the name of viewpoint non-discrimination, state that if I carry Anne Frank's "Diary of a Young Girl", I must also carry "Mein Kampf"? No. But if you carry Diary of a Young Girl, you can't discriminate against buyers based on race, religion, or sexual orientation. What is the difference between a wedding cake for a straight couple and a wedding cake for a gay couple? Do you think one is more fruity than the other? You are wrong, wrong, wrong. This baker did not 'refuse to serve gays.' They can buy pretty much anything they want at his bakery. But for this baker, if you even bothered to learn anything about him, his cake work for weddings it artistry. Even the name of his shop: Masterpiece Cake Shop says that he considers this his 'art.'
The left is going to lose in the Supreme Court. It is not about 'civil rights' as he did not deny gays or anyone else from his shop. He sold them brownies, cupcakes, etc. He also has denied baking cakes for those who wanted sex-themed cakes, cakes with political messages on them, and other things he considers counter to his art and his faith. He did not discriminate against gay people. He decided he did not want to support their event....just like he has on other occasions. End of story. Same with the florist in Washington. Served the gay customer for years. They were friends of a sort. When he asked her to do flower arrangements for his gay wedding, she turned him down - kindly - and gave him suggestions for other florists. And flower arranging is also considered an 'art' by many.
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MissT
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2017-09-25 12:15
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MissT: But for this baker, if you even bothered to learn anything about him, his cake work for weddings it artistry. Even the name of his shop: Masterpiece Cake Shop says that he considers this his 'art.'
"This baker" wasn't named. As for Masterpiece Cake Shop, what about his cakes are gay or not-gay? MissT: The left is going to lose in the Supreme Court. Perhaps. There are already First Amendment exceptions for various media where the product is considered a personal expression. There is a legitimate question as to where to draw the line. MissT: He also has denied baking cakes for those who wanted sex-themed cakes, cakes with political messages on them, and other things he considers counter to his art and his faith. Sex-themed and political messages are not protected classes, so he is free to discriminate as long as he uniformly applies his rules so as not to discriminate against race, religion, or sexual orientation. He can refuse to make Halloween cakes, but he can't refuse to make Halloween cakes just for Satanist. Why can't he make one of the cakes shown in the image above for a gay wedding? Or a mixed-race wedding? MissT: They were friends of a sort. When he asked her to do flower arrangements for his gay wedding, she turned him down - kindly - and gave him suggestions for other florists. And flower arranging is also considered an 'art' by many. Sure, but unless the product is distinctly gay or not-gay somehow, there is no reason why the arrangement she sold to a straight couple can't be sold to a gay couple, or a mixed race couple.
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Zachriel
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2017-09-25 12:33
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Zachriel, you clearly have not read up on the Masterpiece Cake Shop story. The baker tried numerous ways to satisfy the gay couple, but they refused all suggestions.
Also, there is no federal civil right for 'sexual orientation' - this was one made-up by Denver/Colorado. It is NOT under the Federal Civil Rights statute. My point was that the baker has refused service to others, so this was not an act solely perpetrated on the gay couple & their wedding cake. I still have no heard from any of these supposedly progressive types: do you really want the government forcing bakers to bake cakes for people? Is that where we have ended up? Do you know how many bakeries likely could have accommodated this couple? Loads of them. It was not the only shop in town. Therefore, their cries of 'discrimination' fall very flat to me.
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MissT
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2017-09-26 16:11
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MissT: The baker tried numerous ways to satisfy the gay couple, but they refused all suggestions.
"We don't serve you kind here. Maybe you would be happier if you bought a cake from your own kind up the street." MissT: My point was that the baker has refused service to others, so this was not an act solely perpetrated on the gay couple & their wedding cake. He can refuse to put a particular message on a cake. However, he can't refuse to sell a wedding cake because the couple is gay anymore than he can refuse to sell a wedding cake because the couple is mixed race.
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Zachriel
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2017-09-26 16:32
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So if a town has an ordinance against starting fires on public streets, any demonstrator burning an American flag should be prosecuted?
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Another Guy named Dan
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2017-09-25 14:28
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Another Guy named Dan: So if a town has an ordinance against starting fires on public streets, any demonstrator burning an American flag should be prosecuted?
Not sure the relevance, but fire ordinances certainly can be invoked over flag burning, as can property laws when burning someone else's flag. However, enforcement has to be neutral with regards to the content of speech.
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Zachriel
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2017-09-25 16:45
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Snark, when even you recognize the logic airtight.
What's really funny is how badly you use snark. You can't even to that right. What's it like to be wrong? DrTorch: What's really funny is how badly you use snark. You can't even to that right. What's it like to be wrong?
What's really funny is how badly you use snark. You can't even do that right. What's it like to be wrong? Zach: "Next thing you know, they'll make a law saying you have to serve blacks and Jews."
But Zach would have no problem forcing observant Jews at a kosher deli to sell ham sandwiches to customers despite it being against their fundamental religious beliefs. Jim: But Zach would have no problem forcing observant Jews at a kosher deli to sell ham sandwiches to customers despite it being against their fundamental religious beliefs.
That's not how it works, of course. Rather, if a deli is selling kosher food, they have to sell it to everyone regardless of the buyer's religion. I'm guessing that Z doesn't realize that, in trying to conflate two different situations, they've come around to the point of agreeing that a customer has no right to demand specific performance based solely on the customer's wishes from a business owner.
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Christopher B
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2017-09-26 12:36
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Christopher B: they've come around to the point of agreeing that a customer has no right to demand specific performance based solely on the customer's wishes from a business owner.
Concerning Masterpiece Cake Shop, what makes his cakes gay or not-gay? Under what theory of law can they refuse to serve a mixed-race couple if they say they want a cake like the one on the right with the flowers?
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Zachriel
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2017-09-26 16:15
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I'm reading Althouse on the National Anthem
https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=6329595&postID=4448228406885155589 Slightly OT but in the back and forth the following was posted: Roughcoat said: "Would it be insensitive to point out the British those escaped slaves fought for didn't outlaw slavery until 1815 . . . . They kept trading slaves quite profitably right up to the Civil War." Maybe it wouldn't be insensitive, but it would be wrong. Britain formally abolished slavery and the slave trade on 25 March 1807 with the Abolition of the Slave Trade Act, which "made it illegal to engage in the slave trade throughout the British colonies." The passage of the Act was the result of popular sentiment against slavery and the slave trade and not a reaction to any actions undertaken by Napoleon. It is true that the slave trade continued for a short period after the passage of the act, in the Caribbean, until 1811. After that the British, and the Americans as well, acted vigorously and successfully to end the Atlantic slave trade. Quoting from Wikipedia: "The Royal Navy established the West Africa Squadron (or Preventative Squadron) at substantial expense in 1808 after Parliament passed the Slave Trade Act of 1807. The squadron's task was to suppress the Atlantic slave trade by patrolling the coast of West Africa.[1] With a home base at Portsmouth,[2] it began with two small ships, the 32-gun fifth-rate frigate HMS Solebay and the Cruizer-class brig-sloop HMS Derwent. At the height of its operations, the squadron employed a sixth of the Royal Navy fleet and marines. . . . Between 1808 and 1860 the West Africa Squadron captured 1,600 slave ships and freed 150,000 Africans. . . . The United States Navy assisted the West Africa Squadron, starting in 1820 with HMS Cyane, which the US had captured from the Royal Navy in 1815. Initially the US contribution consisted of a few ships, but eventually the Webster-Ashburton Treaty of 1842 formalised the US contribution into the Africa Squadron.[11][12]" At the start of the American Civil War the British upper classes supported the Confederacy -- and, by extension, the continuation of chattel slavery in the Confederate states -- because a great deal of their wealth was derived from the textile industry which was dependent on cotton from the American South. But the British middle and lower classes were quite firm, even ardent, in their support of the Union because a Union victory would necessarily entail the abolition of slavery. Hence Lincoln's issuance of the Emancipation Proclamation after the Battle of Antietam. After that, British elites saw the handwriting on the wall and ceased thinking in terms of providing overt political, economic, and military support for the Confederacy. Little known historical: In response to the support among British elites for the Confederacy, Lincoln "invited" a Russian naval squadron to take up station on the East Coast, as a deterrent to the British navy while the U.S. Navy busied itself with blockading the South." QUOTE: Maybe it wouldn't be insensitive, but it would be wrong. Britain formally abolished slavery and the slave trade on 25 March 1807 with the Abolition of the Slave Trade Act, which "made it illegal to engage in the slave trade throughout the British colonies." Before you inform others how ignorant they are, you would be advised to get your facts right. Wiki:Slave Trade Act 1807. QUOTE: The act abolished the slave trade in the British Empire, in particular the Atlantic slave trade, and also encouraged British action to press other European states to abolish their slave trades, but it did not abolish slavery itself. Slavery wasn't abolished in most of the British Empire until 1833.Your comment was otherwise informative, but you need to proofread before posting.Once again, initially stopped by idiot spam software. Key word here is "trade"; reading is hard.
West Africa Squadron African Slave Trade Patrol Slave Trade Act 1807 "Somersett's case in 1772 held that no slave could be forcibly removed from Britain. This case was generally taken at the time to have decided that the condition of slavery did not exist under English law, and emancipated the remaining ten to fourteen thousand slaves or possible slaves in England and Wales, who were mostly domestic servants.[4] However slavery elsewhere in the British Empire was not affected. Joseph Knight's case in 1778 established a similar position in Scots law. Slavery was abolished throughout the British ......Empire......... by the Slavery Abolition Act 1833, with exceptions provided for the East India Company, Ceylon, and Saint Helena. These exceptions were eliminated in 1843.[5]
New World (northern and southern hemispheres)slavery became race based because Africa was providing a huge slave pool. However, many Brit prisoners were sold into slavery as indentured servants in the colonies worldwide. The Black Death and the plague of the late 6th century pretty much destroyed continental slavery. Death tolls in 1343-45 reached almost 70% in parts of Italy, for example. Farm workers were stolen by rogue knights and sold for profit - it was the beginning of the end for surfdom. Such a drop in population meant farm workers began to call the shots, the deaths of land owners offered land ownership to a huge number of people previously surfs. Monumental changes to the old order. Sorry, should be serfs not surfs.
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Anonymous
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2017-09-25 14:46
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Wiki: "Somersett's case in 1772 held that no slave could be forcibly removed from Britain. This case was generally taken at the time to have decided that the condition of slavery did not exist under English law, and emancipated the remaining ten to fourteen thousand slaves or possible slaves in England and Wales, who were mostly domestic servants.[4] However slavery elsewhere in the British Empire was not affected. Joseph Knight's case in 1778 established a similar position in Scots law. Slavery was abolished throughout the British Empire by the Slavery Abolition Act 1833, with exceptions provided for the East India Company, Ceylon, and Saint Helena. These exceptions were eliminated in 1843.[5]"
New World (northern and southern hemispheres)slavery became race based because Africa was providing a huge slave pool. However, many Brit prisoners were sold into slavery as indentured servants in the colonies worldwide. The Black Death and the plague of the late 6th century pretty much destroyed continental slavery. Death tolls in 1343-45 reached almost 70% in parts of Italy, for example. Farm workers were stolen by rogue knights and sold for profit - it was the beginning of the end for surfdom. Such a drop in population meant farm workers began to call the shots, the deaths of land owners offered land ownership to a huge number of people previously surfs. Monumental changes to the old order. Cutting and pasting fail; responding to anonymous.
Colonialism (worldwide) revived slavery starting with but not limited to, the Virginia Company, etc in the 17th century. Plantations everywhere certainly dwarfed the estates back home and required huge labor forces.
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Exasperated
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2017-09-25 14:55
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Nearly the entire human race engaged cheerfully in the slave trade for nearly our entire history, until the 19th century. All this squabbling over who was 5, 10, or 50 years faster to give it completely up is complete nonsense. It sounds like PETA advocates in a pissing match with vegans over who got more correct the fastest over one holiday weekend.
Hmm, I wonder. It seems that through most of human history, slavery was more intraracial than it was it was interracial. It seems to me, this is what made American slavery more reprehensible than early versions, that is, the introduction of racism as a justification. This and the disconnect between the declaration and the practice of slavery.
It seems to me, this is what made American slavery more reprehensible than early versions.
Slavery was/is reprehensible regardless of its location. Getting into "more reprehensible or less reprehensible" can become VERY problematic. Because I got spammed for too many links, I am not going to post more than one link. Arabs and Turks often castrated their male slaves, a practice which most would consider quite reprehensible. Put that into a search engine. From American Slavery in Comparative Perspective. QUOTE: Of the 10 to 16 million Africans who survived the voyage to the New World, over one-third landed in Brazil and between 60 and 70 percent ended up in Brazil or the sugar colonies of the Caribbean. Only 6 percent arrived in what is now the United States. Yet by 1860, approximately two thirds of all New World slaves lived in the American South. That might tell you something: 6% of slaves brought to the New World ended up in what is now the US, but by 1860 constituted two thirds of slaves in the New World.QUOTE: For a long time it was widely assumed that southern slavery was harsher and crueler than slavery in Latin America, where the Catholic church insisted that slaves had a right to marry, to seek relief from a cruel master, and to purchase their freedom. Spanish and Portuguese colonists were thought to be less tainted by racial prejudice than North Americans and Latin American slavery was believed to be less subject to the pressures of a competitive capitalist economy. Trying to label one type of slavery as more or less reprehensible than another type of slavery is a fool's errand.In practice, neither the Church nor the courts offered much protection to Latin American slaves. Access to freedom was greater in Latin America, but in many cases masters freed sick, elderly, crippled, or simply unneeded slaves in order to relieve themselves of financial responsibilities. Death rates among slaves in the Caribbean were one third higher than in the South, and suicide appears to have been much more common. Unlike slaves in the South, West Indian slaves were expected to produce their own food in their "free time," and care for the elderly and the infirm. The largest difference between slavery in the South and in Latin America was demographic. The slave population in Brazil and the West Indies had a lower proportion of female slaves, a much lower birth rate, and a higher proportion of recent arrivals from Africa. In striking contrast, southern slaves had an equal sex ratio, a high birthrate, and a predominantly American-born population. Slavery in the United States especially distinctive in the ability of the slave population to increase its numbers by natural reproduction. In the Caribbean, Dutch Guiana and Brazil, the slave death rate was so high and the birth rate so low that slaves could not sustain their population without imports from Africa. The average number of children born to an early 19th century southern slave woman was 9.2--twice as many as in the West Indies. Once again, Gringo got spammed from idiot spamming software. QUOTE: Austin Police SLAM Violent Masked Antifa Terrorists to the Ground, Make Multiple Arrests Multiple, as in two people were arrested; one with assaulting an officer, the other for interfering with the arrest. Apparently a scuffle over a bullhorn led to the arrests. This hardly implies "terrorism". This is terrorism. Yep. And this is terrorism.
http://dailycaller.com/2017/09/24/tennessee-church-shooter-suspect-identified-as-25-year-old-from-sudan/ QUOTE: Vladimir Putin did not hack the election. Not only did Russian agents hack the DNC, timing the release of information for maximum political impact; but they also attempted to intrude on 21 state election systems. Still spouting the same talking points, hey kidz?
Hillary lost fair and square, believe it or not. Paper ballots and personal IDs would solve your imaginary problems... Zach, It is more likely that Putin hacked the NFL than the DNC. He is destroying the American Way by generating lack of respect for the NFL. How else could 300- 400 pound athletes be hiding in their safe space locker room to avoid being seen with the US flag? You know Putin covets NFL championship rings. That is proof of Russian involvement. How else can you explain $100 million salary game-player wearing police-are-pigs clothing? Players dissing police who protect unsafe neighborhoods to keep drug gangs from addicting and shooting people? Trying to keep the death toll down, so every city is not a death trap. Obviously Putin wants good people to avoid being police. Obviously Putin wants US cities to become uninhabitable, drug-infested, murderous hell-holes. Clear proof that there is a russian-connection to NFL generating hatred for police. Mueller should get right on it.
Do you remember when State voting agencies were being hacked by the feds in Homeland Security? Very aggressive, and multiple attempts. Susan Rice "unmasking"the vote count software? jaybird: Do you remember when State voting agencies were being hacked by the feds in Homeland Security?
If you are referring to Georgia's accusations, turns out that they were unfounded. jaybird: Susan Rice "unmasking"the vote count software? Have no idea what that means. Unmasking refers to persons, not software. Zach,
So you say - Susan Rice, Clapper, etc. also denied hacking and spying (tapping "wires" as in "wire fraud") . The Obama DHS repeatedly hacked Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Kentucky, etc. Likely trying to find dead voters to send absentee ballots. Here is an "Arrest-O-Meter" site, where you can see the Putin-controlled efforts to destabilize the US by destroying the NFL with false arrests. How much more proof do you need that Putin hacked the NFL by making the players go nuts? Putin may be using steroids and opioids on them !!! Podesta and Hillary should point out that the russian effort to destroy the credibility of the NFL was responsible for her election loss. http://nflarrest.com Unmasking" means "wiretapping" and "hacking". The surveillance is recorded and stored - the "wires" are " tapped". Then it is processed and reviewed - "unmasked". The meme that there is no wiretapping when surveillance and recording are carried out is absurd. 18 U.S.C. 1343, the "wire fraud" statute, doesn't require use of an actual copper "wire". Use od any electronic device is enough. Zach, you are doing wonders for Bird Dog. You have already pumped up the number of comments magnificently today. George Soros should be proud of you. jaybird: The Obama DHS repeatedly hacked Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Kentucky, etc.
As already pointed out, the claim is unfounded. The access "was the result of normal and automatic computer message exchanges generated by the Microsoft applications involved", and was confirmed by server logs and Microsoft. jaybird: The meme that there is no wiretapping when surveillance and recording are carried out is absurd. The courts approved a wiretap warrant of Manafort's communications and a no-knock warrant of Manafort's home. Warrants require probable cause.
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Zachriel
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2017-09-26 10:00
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Trump probably hasn't paid any taxes in many years and had 3 or 4 doctor's excuse's to avoid the draft.A patriot he is'?'
He needs to figure a better way to fire up his base.At least try not create more division.,but I'm afraid that ain't his mop.Imo. RL, are you interning with Zach?
Trump is just balancing hypocrisy. Turnabout is fair play, etc. What is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander, to put it in terms that you might understand. It is OK to demand boycotts of businesses that socialists don't like - remember all the boycott demands after Trump's election? It is OK to wear brownshirt/red guard masks, assault people with baseball bats, and try to burn down a university building to stop free speech. But a boycott of NFL entertainment because it has become propaganda is bad. It is OK to block, assault, threaten and scream down invited speakers at state universities and public spaces. But it is "divisive" to decide not to watch the NFL hatred for the police and country on TV? It is "divisive" to refuse to attend private NFL games where hatred for police and dissing of our country is jammed down the throats of customers who thought they were buying something else? The "fans" want sport, but get political waterboarding from the thought police. When entertainment posing as sport becomes uninvited propaganda, it isn't entertainment, and should be avoided. The players in the NFL anti-cop play can have their free speech on their own time. Their massive salaries can be paid by those who want to watch them - unless the players are hiding from being forced to listen to the Anthem in their "safe place" locker room like the hapless Steelers - who were so intent on not listening to the Anthem that they forgot how to play football and succumbed to the hapless Bears. The NFL players can wear their hate the police socks on their own time. They can rent an auditorium. The players can even charge for admission to give their opinions on their own time to those who want to hear their opinions. The players can even vote in political elections (because of those who respected this country), if they care enough to register and are citizens. But they don't have a right to force people to pay to watch their political/hate antics, or to watch ESPN, or to buy products of the companies who sponsor them. The NFL's Goodell (who apparently makes more money than Tom Brady?) says it is someone other than the "Players" and sjw sports commentators who created "divisiveness". There is an old saying that a businessman such as Goodell should know - "don't __ where you eat." Paying customers don't want to be fed their crap propaganda. Do you think it is "divisive" to ignore the so-called superbowl? Is it "divisive" to not buy products of companies which sponsor NFL football? Would it be divisive to refuse to buy products of any company which spends millions of dollars to buy a superbowl advertisement? If the NFL players union rented an auditorium for players to express and explain their hatred for the "pig" police and the USA while wearing "pig" socks, would you buy a ticket? Should everyone be forced to buy a ticket? If an anti-antifa group wore masks and attacked your attempt (baseballbats and molotov firebombs) to listen to these NFL player opinions made on their own time, in their rented auditoriun with the admission ticket you bought, would you think that was "disruptive"? Jaybird,NO,,> did not read ur full post,.you guys complicate too much.It is my opinion,.Have a good one and don't let your meat loaf!
RL, I'm glad that you can read a little bit. Maybe the questions were too hard, or caused stress from cognitive dissonance.
Here is a simple question based on your comment. How much tax have you paid? This is a little harder, but it just asks if you saw something: Did you see Roger Goodell's bizarre statement after NFL players arrogated public attention from a captive audience lured there to see a game. The NFL players diss the police who risk their lives every day to protect good citizens in unsafe neighborhoods, and stick it to the good citizens of the USA who pay them millions$$? Apparently not buying tickets, to avoid being assaulted by these antics, shows "a lack of respect for the NFL". Truly bizarre. So bizarre that this kind of BS statement itself causes a "lack of respect for the NFL". Here is a business question: If there is a 10-20 percent drop in advertisement and ticket revenue, how the NFL will pay those huge salaries to players and Mr. Goodell that no former fan could ever hope to get. Some broadcast revenues are locked in, but how much can ESPN pay when people "cut the cord" because they don't want to be assaulted with hatred of their country and its police? This just asks for your opinion, which doesn't require you to think (evidenced by your comment): Have the NFL geniuses thought about how much money they will now be paid for product endorsements, and being a company spokesman? How much would a car dealership pay for this ad: "Hi, I'm a formerly-cool guy who hides in my safe space locker room because I don't want to be forced to look at the US Flag or have to listen to the Anthem in front of paying customers. So I say, buy this big-engine car. You can outrun the police pigs, and get the anti-aircrraft missile option if you mention my name at the dealership". Fads come and go. The NFL peaked, and is in decline. I think you proved my point.Take it easy ,.
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RL
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2017-09-25 17:29
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RL, I think your points were that Trump didn't pay taxes so is not a patriot? Wasn't drafted? Should not acquiesce in NFL divisiveness?
Our previous President advises punching back twice as hard.
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jaybird
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2017-09-25 18:40
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jaybird, I think you knocked RL into the middle of next week. Of course, he can not answer you so he plays dumb. Of perhaps it is not an act.
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Diane
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2017-09-26 15:39
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QUOTE: Oppressed Multi-Millionaire Stevie Wonder Takes a Knee QUOTE: Our global brothers and sisters, I didn’t come here to preach, but I’m telling you, our spirit must be in the right place. All the time — not just now, but tomorrow and whenever you, whenever you, whenever you need to interrupt hate, stand down bigotry, condemn sexism and find love for all of our global brothers and sisters every day. Gosh. What a terrible person. No one says he a terrible person.
He's just blind in more ways than one. Egads This compulsion to foist their world view and inflict themselves on others along with the need to interject politics into every damn thing is what gets you more Trump.
Roger Goodell Ignoring League's Own Rule Book in Letting Players Protest America
QUOTE: The NFL rule book specifically requires both teams appear on the field for the playing of the anthem, standing, remaining quiet, and holding their helmets in their left hands. Failure to do so can result in fines, suspensions, and the loss of draft picks. The rules are found on pages A62-63 of the league’s game operations manual: The National Anthem must be played prior to every NFL game, and all players must be on the sideline for the National Anthem. During the National Anthem, players on the field and bench area should stand at attention, face the flag, hold helmets in their left hand, and refrain from talking. The home team should ensure that the American flag is in good condition. It should be pointed out to players and coaches that we continue to be judged by the public in this area of respect for the flag and our country. Failure to be on the field by the start of the National Anthem may result in discipline, such as fines, suspensions, and/or the forfeiture of draft choice(s) for violations of the above, including first offenses. Goodell hasn't always been so supportive of his players engaging in free speech on the field. Last year the NFL barred the Dallas Cowboys from wearing a decal on their helmet honoring the five police officers killed in a domestic terror attack. The NFL also banned the Tennessee Titan's linebacker, Avery Williamson, from honoring 9/11 victims by wearing cleats that read "9-11/01" and "Never Forget" on the 15th anniversary of the terror attack. The NFL fined Robert Griffin III $10,000 for wearing a t-shirt during a press conference that said "Operation Patience." (The shirt was created by Reebok and players are required to only wear clothing sold by Nike.) RGIII also ran into trouble with the league for wearing a shirt that said "Know Jesus, Know Peace." The NFL has banned players from wearing Beats headphones on the field (doing so violated the league's deal with Bose). The Steelers' William Gay was fined for wearing purple cleats, which he did to raise awareness for domestic violence (an issue Goodell claims the league takes seriously). Goodell's opposition to speech he dislikes is so determined that he even has a Patriots fan who flipped him off fired from his job. https://news.grabien.com/story-roger-goodell-ignoring-leagues-own-rule-book-letting-players Soda Tax: Don't nobody here understand Economics 1? Nope. These nobodies believe in MAGIC.
Berkeley Free Speech: Not Happ'nin' Here. Austin Police shut down Antifas? Austin? Really? Ah wouldna thunk it. There's an unofficial fifth stanza to The Star Spangled Banner, written by poet Oliver Wendell Holmes during the Civil War. As befitted the time of its composition, there's a warning aimed at "a foe from within" and a hope for the soon-to-be "millions unchain'd."
When our land is illum'd with Liberty's smile, If a foe from within strike a blow at her glory, Down, down, with the traitor that dares to defile The flag of her stars and the page of her story! By the millions unchain'd who our birthright have gained We will keep her bright blazon forever unstained! And the Star-Spangled Banner in triumph shall wave While the land of the free is the home of the brave. As opposed to the official third stanza, which includes these words:
No refuge could save the hireling and slave From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave, And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave. So what, 99% of the American public was unaware of it til 3 days ago, 90% still aren't. I'll bet you didn't either.
I rather enjoy watching post modern culture blow up in the face of the Only Ones. The amoral hopes and dreams of a special place for the special people mandated by global elitists and affirmed by the immoral jurists is in rapid collapse. Millionaire/billionaire owned bread and circus acts from sports to Hollywood to arts and music and preached from the hallowed grounds of academia, pbs, and the msm are being slowly strangled by the working class taxpayer who hired Trump to bleed them and separate them of free taxpayer funding. MAGA
I think the oligarchs will do nothing to address the concerns of the working middle unless or until they are hit in the pocket book.
For example, is there any indication that concert goers are staying away from public venues after the Manchester bombing? Or, any impact on tourism in Europe? What does the Left Want?
As far as I can tell, they just want to fling poo at others. Thank God Trump called out the NFL protesters.''Most important'',!>>Stuff%*&#
"What do Leftists want?" Leftism is an inherently feminine approach to life. Ergo, there is no answer to this.
Late to the party, but why are good men so hard to find? Pretty simple. There's no sexual morality or courtship any more. Women are free to chase what they want, not what they ought to chase.
Researchers looking at various dating sites have figured out that 80% of women pretty much throw themselves at 20% of men, sorted primarily based on looks. Those guys get laid - a lot - and have pretty good options if they wish to get married (though honestly, if they are getting laid a lot, many may not want to). Around 20% of women opt out of that struggle - they tend to be at the bottom end of desirability and have no hope of landing the high value men (again based mainly on looks) - and the remaining 80% of men on the dating sights throw themselves at that 20%. Those women don't really have a need to get married, some do. But I suspect you find a lot of baby mommas in this group. If the baby rabies bite, they'll just have a baby, and maybe get married eventually because given the competition among the men chasing them, beggars can't be choosers. Women still control the dating market. Sure, men can get more advanced degrees. But there'll still be no good men because grad school isn't sixpack ab school, and the top 20% of men mostly land with the top 20% of women. The bottom 20% of women likely (mostly) land with men. This leaves the middle 60% of women out in the cold, and the remaining 60% of men (whom those median women are not interested in) out in the cold. Eventually, the looks of the middling 60% of women decay enough that they no longer see a top 20%ile man as an option, and they "settle." Or they never acknowledge what their fading looks and well-pounded bottom signify to most guys, and they keep searching for a guy who looks and earns like a young Tom Cruise. " But there's no good men!" The middle 60% of men have every incentive to tap out and chase fun only, unless they're dumb enough to settle for a fading party girl who has decided to "settle." Why spend years making yourself better for a worn looking girl that half of Manhattan or Boston has taken a ride on? This over-generalizes things but I think it's basically accurate in terms of broad trends. Arguing that more men need to be pushed into academic programs, as the author suggests, is just silly. Cat's out of the bag here, welcome to demographic decline. The correct question: Why did women decide to give sex away for free?
http://www.maddogslair.com/blog/the-correct-question-why-did-women-decide-to-give-sex-away-for-free "Spend a little time with single women in their early to mid-30s, and you'll be grateful you're not one of them. The relationship scene is even more dismal today than when I was their age. All the women want serious relationships that lead to marriage, but many of the men they meet do not. All too often a woman moves in with some guy, hoping they're on the road to somewhere. Two years later, he tells her he's not ready for marriage and kids just yet. Splat. But wait. Hasn't online dating made the mating market easier? Yes – for men. If you want to hear a woman rant, just utter the word Tinder. Single women are more equal and empowered than ever before. They have unparalleled sexual, reproductive and economic autonomy. In many ways, they're doing much better than the men. (Just look at the lopsided university graduation rates, which are now around 60-40). And yet, large numbers of young women admit their private lives are a sad mess." Frankly, men understand what they want, their goals, and the trade-offs and have forever. Women seem to be clueless about these things, but at around 35 they suddenly have the epiphany that building a career, working 80 hours per week, and putting off making a family is not what they want. What they want is marriage to a loving man, family, community, friendships and all that goes with them. "In a nutshell, over the past few decades, the traditional relationship exchange has broken down. It used to be that men and women each had something the other needed. Men needed access to sex. Women needed access to resources. Men couldn't get steady access to sex unless they had resources to offer, so they worked hard for them. The partnership between men and women was a grand bargain that (usually) left both sides better off. For men, sex was traditionally expensive. The price tag was a long-term commitment to provide for a woman (and children). But today, sex is cheap. And that changes everything." The dominance hierarchy has been around for at least 350 million years, and women just realized this? Mon Dieu! "This is the premise of a bracing new book, Cheap Sex, by American sociologist Mark Regnerus. Sex got cheap because of three technological developments: the advent of the Pill, which divorced fertility from sex; the onset of mass-produced, high-quality pornography; and the arrival of online dating sites, which make it easy for men to find willing sex partners." Oh come on, you must be smarter than this. Yes, the pill had something to do with cheap sex, but the cheap sex phenomenon was in full flower before the Internet, high-quality Internet porn, or dating sites, and porn before the Internet was creepy outside of magazines. And what about abortion? What happened was that before the pill, or Roe v. Wade, feminism was actively pushing for parity in sexual promiscuity between men and women. With the pill, and the success of Roe v. Wade, the Boomer drug indulgence, and the Summer of Love the culture flipped over the course of a few years. Films like Deep Throat also drove the sexual shift, less because people viewed these movies and more because of the open, free exuberance of the actors. It was evident they were having fun. People talked about that fact. All of this unleashed a pulse of libertinism through the culture. By the time the Internet was in its infancy, and Internet porn and dating sites became prevalent, the neo-Victorian backlash had begun from the 3rd (or is it 4th) generation feminists. "Sexual liberation is a fabulous thing – in some ways. But it can also turn men into louts, because women don't expect much in return for access. Today, most men can have all the sex they want for very little cost – no fancy dinner required. The irony, as Mr. Regnerus writes, is that today's mating market is probably more dominated by men's interests than ever before." Sexual liberation was the most fabulous thing for me, but not for women, outside of a small few, most of whom are emotionally damaged nearly beyond repair. Female sexual promiscuity often creates emotional dissonance; this dissonance is a primary reason so many women falsely accuse men of rape. The culture is telling these women that promiscuity is acceptable, but 350 million years of evolution are screaming otherwise. The emotional dissonance is severe and often destabilizing. The Grand Bargain was reduced to an agreement where men gave women sex and in exchange women gave men sex. Notice how that eliminated the female goal of resources? This came from feminists. Brilliant. "A lot of women seem to have their act together these days. But a lot of men don't. "I think the greatest, most astonishing fact that I am aware of in social science right now is that women have been able to hear the labour market screaming out 'You need more education'… and men have not," MIT economics professor Michael Greenstone says in Cheap Sex." Huh? There are no idiots like the highly credentialed idiots in the Academe. Women have their act together? The last many paragraphs elucidated that women are giving away sex for free which has allowed men to drop out of the Grand Bargain of marriage in favor of what they want - cheap, easy sex without attachments or responsibility. Sorry women do not have their act together. Women got played big time by themselves; men had nothing to do with it other than cheerleading them on once the sexual revolution ball was rolling. Let's be honest here, this statement by professor Greenstone is stupid: ". . . [W]omen have been able to hear the labour market screaming out 'You need more education'… and men have not . . ." Ok, so women heard the labor market demanding they be more educated. But women do not pursue degrees in fields which pay well. You know in areas like STEM. Many women get degrees in Interpretive Lesbian Dance and the myriad Studies programs none of which offer any job in the real world. Or they get degrees with offer low-paying social service jobs. The market is not screaming for more of the education women are obtaining. That said, many women do get an education which results in high-paying employment, such as law and medicine. These women tend to be excellent students who do well at University, pass the bar or boards, and enter professional practice with high hopes. But by the time they are 35 these women are burned out and disillusioned. They were not looking for 80 hour work weeks in perpetuity, nor were they looking for clients calling at all hours of the day or night demanding immediate action. These women mistakenly thought that these jobs would attract men, but men do not value women who are capable of providing resources, men value in a woman beauty, youth, indicia of fecundity, and agreeableness. The lives of these women begin to look bleak, and this is because there is no dominance hierarchy which these women can climb to make these jobs emotionally rewarding. The men have the male dominance hierarchy to climb and are not just willing to work 80 hours per week and be on-call night and day. The long hours cause these men to receive a bigger bonus, or paycheck than the next sod, placing them above him in the male dominance hierarchy. These men thrive on competition, something these high-pressure jobs offer in spades. "Like it or not, women have always been the gatekeepers for sex – not because they don't like sex, too, but because (no matter what you learned in gender studies) men's sex drive is innately higher. This means it's up to us to make the rules. "Why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free?" my father used to say. It drove me crazy when he said that. Now, it's dawned on me that he was right." No! No! No! Women are the gatekeepers of sex because infant humans are born too young because humans have HUGE heads and have to be born long before they should. This means that children take a long time to mature, perhaps 14 years. 50,000+ years ago the resources necessary to raise a single child to maturity were astronomical, and a single woman likely did not have a chance. So, evolution demanded women gatekeep sex so men would bind themselves to a woman for long enough that the couple could provide the resources to raise their children. Male higher sex drive encouraged for the men to enter coupling relationships. This is the reason that more antediluvian religions like Islam have such draconian rules about female promiscuity. Even one promiscuous woman could delaminate a community by devaluing female sexual attraction and weakening the desire of males to bond into couples. "'Good husband material doesn't occur naturally, but is instead the product (in part) of socialization, development, and social control," Mr. Regnerus writes. "[I]n the domain of sex and relationships men will act as nobly as women collectively demand." Time to get our act together, ladies. If we don't, they won't either." So, all we need to do is count on the very same people who got us into this mess to now do the right thing? These women don't even know what the right thing is, or where to find it. The first thing to do is chuck the postmodernist/feminist BS, and return to what we know works, the Great Western Canon. Including the moral narratives in the Bible. For the quick and dirty on male/female relationships read: What Women Want--What Men Want: Why the Sexes Still See Love and Commitment So Differently All young people should read this book before they start dating. https://www.amazon.com/What-Women-Want-What-Men-Want-ebook/dp/B001EQ62H4/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1506586143&sr=8-1&keywords=what+women+want+what+men+want Also, you should watch all three of Professor Jordan Peterson's courses: 1. Personality and its Transformations, 2. Maps of Meaning, and 3. The Psychological Significance of Bible Stories. https://www.youtube.com/user/JordanPetersonVideos Mark Sherman |