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Wednesday, May 31. 2006Rationalizing Wrong-Doing: Al Gore as a Case StudyWelcome, visitors from all over the world! Please visit us often - or bookmark us. Check us out, while you are here. We are always interesting, often provocative, and always eclectic and suprising. For us head-shrinkers, public figures make for great case examples, because there is no confidentiality issue. The downside, of course, is that we don't really know them in any depth. All we have are public words and behavior. Al Gore offered us a nice example last week when he stated, about his admittedly propagandizing and fear-mongering movie Inconvenient Truths:
So it is appropriate to lie? Should we re-name it Convenient Lies? Although this is not the first time Big Al has made similar statements about his choices (the "no controlling legal authority" case), I will not throw stones, because I do not claim to be perfect. Instead, I'll just take a minute to look at the meaning of his statement. I take it as a given that all humans are prone to immoral thoughts and to wrong-doing, or temptations for wrong-doing: there would be no need for laws, rules, or morals if that were not so. And it is known that, while a small fraction of the population lacks any meaningfully-functioning conscience, most people have consciences of varying degrees of strength and effectiveness. Whenever we "size up" a new person, that is always an essential item on the list. The conscience functions by sending up warnings to us when we are heading into behavior we feel might be morally questionable; by punishing us with guilt or shame or remorse when we cross our moral lines; by rewarding us with the wonderful feeling of self-respect when we follow our moral expectations; and by holding up for us an ideal of who and what our best self could be. Living with one's conscience is one of the great challenges of being an adult: we struggle with it, and sometimes we win, sometimes we lose. There are a number of tricks we can play on our conscience, though, in an effort to make it leave us alone and give us a free pass. Our case example of the day highlights one of the most effective tricks: Rationalizing. What Gore said - and I believe that he believes what he said - is that it is OK for him to deceive the public by distorting and cherry-picking and exaggerating facts, because it's for a good cause and because he means well. (No doubt he rationalized illegal fund-raising with a similar justification. Hey - everything can be a "crisis", right?) Translated, this says: "If my intentions are good, or if I have a good excuse, then the ends justify the means and my inconvenient morality can take a vacation." (When you think about it, though, morals are always "inconvenient." Always. The Ten Commandments were a great gift to our better selves, from a God who well knew our weaknesses and flaws, and who longs for the best for us and from us, but who offers us the respect to make our own choices.) That form of thinking is enormously corrupt and corrupting, because it can justify anything - lies, theft, mass murder, adultery, injustice, mayhem, exploitation, cruelty, disloyalty - you name it. To use this trick, all you need to do is to convince yourself that you are aggrieved, or that "everybody does it," or that you are such a superb person that you are on the side of the angels - and you get a free pass from your conscience. No wonder it's such a popular self-deception for those with, shall we say, "flexible" consciences, aka serious moral flaws. If you can believe that the angels are on your side, or that you are a victim, or that you are better than other people - anything goes (especially if you can burnish it with a gloss of phony idealism or victim entitlement). How damnably convenient! Matthew 16: "For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? Or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?" Image: I like the image of Jiminy Cricket as the representative of our conscience. We all need him, perched on our shoulder and whispering into our ear, at all times. If you want to enjoy yourself in the short-term - ignore him. He is a party-pooper but, in the end, he is on your side. Editor's note: For an honest and rational discussion of the greenhouse effect, try Junk Science. And click on our blog headline to read more posts this week responding to this piece, and to the commenters on this piece.
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As Dan "False But Accurate" Rather said of Bubba:
"I think at the core he's an honest person . . . I think you can be an honest person and lie about any number of things." http://sisu.typepad.com/sisu/2005/04/i_can_certainly.html I think I would rather have Al Gore lying about the possible effects of global warming than have the current President lying to Congress and the American people with regards to the legitimacy of a foreign war.
Not saying that what Gore did was right, but how many people are going to die as a result of his "misinterpretations"? You could not have offered a better example for the author if you had tried.
Once the lefties agreed on the lie that Bush lied, everything can be excused- "It is okay that Gore lied because his lie is not as bad as Bush's (alleged) lie" Beautiful...convenient...a remarkable demonstration of moral wishy-washiness. Do you feel better about yourself (and Gore) now? Umm, but he didn't lie. That's the greatest lie lefties like to tell. Bush didn't lie anymore then Clinton lied about the chemical factory in the Sudan.
Can we drag Clinton off to the Hague because analysts told him a baby-food factory in the Sudan was a chemical WMD factory??
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Rolf
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2006-05-31 15:44
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These are probably what people mean by bush's lies:
“[Iraq] has aided, trained and harbored terrorists, including operatives of Al Qaeda.” -misleading at best attempt to use vengence for 9/11 as an excuse “America tried to work with the United Nations to address this threat because we wanted to resolve the issue peacefully.” -then why arbitrarily start the bombing campaign when Hussain caved in already to the inspectors. “Should Saddam Hussein choose confrontation, the American people can know that every measure has been taken to avoid war and every measure will be taken to win it.” - I think the fist part is covered above. Taking every effort to win it might have involved securing a northern front in Turkey through better diplomacy or failing that getting the armored division that was intended to be there placed before starting the war. Or for that matter ensuring there was a sufficient troop level to immediately sustain law and order instead of trying to do things on the cheap. but my personal favorite: "I don't think anybody anticipated the breach of the levees" -except of course everyone who was in that meeting paying attention when Brownie said (on tape) the levees might be breached. I guess the president wasn't paying attention but since he said "anybody" not "I didn't anticipate" it's still a lie. And a stupid one at that since many people for years have anticipated the levee's breaching. Oh but if you read Gore's comments in context, http://www.grist.org/news/maindish/2006/05/09/roberts/index.html its pretty straight forward what he is saying and in no way is an admitance to a lie or exageration or anything else. If you look at what he actually said about the internet, its pretty much the same case there too. "During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet. I took the initiative in moving forward a whole range of initiatives that have proven to be important to our country's economic growth and environmental protection, improvements in our educational system." http://www.snopes.com/quotes/internet.asp Apart from saying initiative too many times, in truth he was the essential force behind getting the funding that created the internet.
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Stefan
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2006-05-31 22:40
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I retract the comment with regards to Gore lying. Over-representation means telling the truth a lot.
I'd like to change my post to say that while Bush lied about the legitimacy of war, Gore did NOT lie with regards to his new movie. Thank-you and good night. Close, but entirely wrong! "over present" means telling the truth a lot - not "over represent". (ok, sure, I suppose it was just another "speachrobe malfunction"
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Herb
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2006-06-01 21:16
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Gah! I'm bad at this. Speechrobe malfunction indeed.
To set the record straight (again, L*) Gore didn't lie, as much as he just really told the truth. Which, I suppose to some, means he lied.
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Cashcleaner
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2006-06-02 11:07
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Not saying that what Gore did was right, but how many people are going to die as a result of his "misinterpretations"?
An interesting question, and not nearly as facetious as you no doubt intended. Let's assume, for the moment, that Gore's lies do exactly what they're designed to do, to get people to advocate government controls on carbon emissions and energy use. If we reduce carbon emissions to the level called for by the Kyoto Protocols, it will require a reduction of as much as 30% of our energy use. One presumes that this will produce serious ramifications to our economy. Poverty is the number one reducer of life expectancy. So the reduction in our own economy could take years off of each person's life. With a reduced economy, millions will be jobless - money that could have paid their wages went to higher energy costs. Some of them, unable to feed themselves, or their children, will starve to death. Our agriculture industry is extremely petroleum-driven - one of my ecological science professors described modern agriculture as "the use of soil to convert oil into food." With less energy to the purpose of growing, fertilizing, and harvesting crops, there will be less food to share, and the price of said food will go up. Eventually, some people at the margins will starve to death. With less energy, people will be colder in the winter, hotter in the summer (no AC in Phoenix?). Some of those people will die, either frozen to death, or from heat exposure. How many people would die if Gore had his way? It's impossible to say. But if his lies cause people to adopt the extreme measures Gore advocates (which is the "laudable" purpose behind those lies), I can pretty much guarantee it won't be zero. You obviously don't understand how to fight global warming. Kyoto is useless. What we need to do is find fuels and energy sources that efficient with respect to emissions--not lower total energy use! If we abided by Kyoto, over the course of 50 years there would be a total of 1% less greenhouse gasses in the atmosphere--hardly an effective strategy.
Greenhouse gasses are an air pollution problem, so why don't we treat it like one? We have effective, market-friendly ways to combat air pollution that we have used all over (e.g. smog in LA, which has been incredibly effective). Create tradable pollution permits to give corporations a financial incentive to reduce the crap they are dumping into the atmosphere. This will spur development of more efficient means of energy. We can't suddenly reduce the amount of energy we consume, we can only make it more efficient using market forces! As for Gore: I lean left, and I know Gore is an incredibly smart individual from his speeches (not campaign speeches), but in any case misrepresentation of the facts is not good even if it is for a "good cause." If you cannot convince someone of your argument without lying, maybe your argument doesn't have much merit to begin with. That's what I live by. That remains to be seen. What if the bozos on the bus win control of the gov't and begin to pass laws that restrict more and more resources in the name of global warming prevention? How many people have already died because of the inintended consequences of past restrictions on energy production, food production etc.?
Oh, hold on a second. At very close examination it reads..."OVER--representation of facts".
Hmmm, that's not so much lying as it is telling the truth over and over so people understand the point. That's almost like the complete opposite of lying. I wonder if people are still going to argue against it. Where is the lie? Over representation of what compared to what? In the context of the full interview it pretty clear he meant an over representation of factual representations of the problem compared to representations of the solution. Gore then goes on to say that this may shift more towards a solution oriented discussion as time progresses. It seems clear that someone is underly factually representing this quote out of context. OR else they're just too simple.
I mean really, take an occam's razor approach. Does it make more sense that Gore would admit in an interview about exagerating the facts about what he considers to be one of the most pressing problems facing the world, or does it make more sense that he was answering the question he was aske about: "Do you scare people or give them hope? What's the right mix?" My guess here is that someone's bedroom window is made out of bricks. Well put. I tried to avoid the political implications in this piece, but they do offer themselves up on a silver platter - do they not?
yes the political implications are obvious, you obviously either didn't read the whole article, were too simple to make sense of a pretty straight foward discussion, or are blatently politically biased and chose to take the quote out of context to misrepresent the truth. in case you or anyone else would like to read the whole interview here's the link:
http://www.grist.org/news/maindish/2006/05/09/roberts/index.html You know as tired as I am about people lying, I'm pretty damn tired of wussy assed lefties assuming that what ever premise given is true and trying to argue from there. Don't be lazy, know what's going on. And think for your self. When you know the other side lies and cheats you don't fking let them set the rules. If something sounds idiotic and doesn't make sense check the premise, it may well be wrong. Think for your self damn it. Well put. I tried to avoid the political implications in this piece, but they do offer themselves up on a silver platter - do they not?
Sorry for commenting so often - but you have Big Al's number!
You're an idiot. He didn't say he was lying. He said there's too much information. Learn to read, dipshit.
I have found that anyone who uses profanity has spent more time with his (or her) own anger than in finding the actual truth.
Profanity or not, he's 100% accurate. How do you equate "we put too many facts in the movie" with "we lied"????
"...I believe it is appropriate to have an over-representation of factual presentations on how dangerous..."
what he's saying is the fact is 2+2=4, we say that 2+2=7. It's okay that we do that because the alarmist 7 answer scares people more than the actual 4 answer, and this is important so it's better that people are more scared. Actually if you read the article dipshit
http://www.grist.org/news/maindish/2006/05/09/roberts/index.html What gore is saying is that for now we have to emphasise the "2+2" part a whole lot until everyone actually figures out its important. Then maybe we can shift the discussion towards "=4". he takes this approach because most of the public doesn't know their math so to speak, or rather their heat transfer, thermodynamics, fluid mechanics, etc.
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Stefan
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2006-05-31 21:48
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I find the use of profanity especially helpful to represent emphasis within the cold confines of text based internet forum discussions. "dipshit" is really one you don't see too often, and really quite for a connoisseur. Its very concise and easily executed, though greatly underused, which I believe is part of the beauty of it. It pretty much sums up a great deal of sentiment but at the same time emphasises that the subject isn't really worth any elaboration beyond just "dipshit"
All and all my favorite is the phrase "mealy-mouthed Son of a bitch" from the German Mehl im Maule behalten, “to carry meal in the mouth, that is, not to be direct in speech,” which occurs the writings of Martin Luther in combination with the age old notion that someones mother was a dog, implying that they themselves are half mutt and that their father lays with the beasts. The inference is that it is their unwillingness to directly confront the truth of the matter that gives them away as less than a man and more cowardly as an animal, an animal that can both be very vicious in serving its master, but also brought to heal. My only qualm is that I really like dogs well enough and hate to see them tarred by association with those who would get called SOB's. It seems to me that anyone who uses a phrase like "spends too much time with their anger" isn't entirely comfortable with that emotion in themselves. Anger is a pretty straight forward reaction to pain or percieved injustice. The point is to motivate and facilitate action in remedy of that undesireable state. Otherwise you either are depressed (aware of the injustice but unmotivated to act), apathetic, or willfully ignorant. No one ever started a revolution staying in their "happy zone", if your not comfortable spending time with your anger you might as well be an opium addict. actually make that-- fucking useless lame ass dead beat cancer on mother fucking society opium fucking addict. I like the sound of it better. Gets the point across better.
Also, sorry for any misspellings above or incorrect homophone's I know some people are sensitive about poor grammer. It would be nice if you could identify any of these so called 'lies' in your trashing of Gore. Because if you can't, what you wrote is empty rhetoric, devoid of any value.
"over-representation of factual presentations" means taking the truth and repeating many different ways, which in context means ramming the truth down your thrioat. Someone should have done this to you in grammar class because clearly you do not understand the English language. Go get a college degree (if they'll let you) and try again, asshat.
GED + ADD != intelligence No wonder everyone thinks Americans are stupid...you are proving them correct. Actually, he did claim to have invented the Internet. He also claims to have been at his sisters death bed. He also decried the use of tobacco while accepting tobacco subsidies... 24 years of feeding at the public trough. For a blind man, you sure look good in those rose colored glasses.
No, Al Gore did not claim to invent the internet... You dumbass right wingers..
Actually, Gore did claim to invent the intarweb, which he ceverly called "The web"!" What a clever fellow!
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Anonymous
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2006-05-31 12:40
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This is for all the clowns starting with JoJo
http://www.snopes.com/quotes/internet.asp Claim: Vice-President Al Gore claimed that he "invented" the Internet. Status: False. I think it's stupid as shiat to "over-represent" the facts. It takes the focus away from the message & puts it squarely on the "over-representation" Playing fast and loose with the facts is how bad information gets passed around, kinda like "Al Gore claims he invented the internet".
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Sum Guy
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2006-05-31 13:32
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You are both right.
In a 1999 Wolf Blitzer interview on CNN, Gore said: "During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet." Gore did not mean the Internet as we know it today, but he clearly did use those words.
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Anonymous
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2006-05-31 14:41
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Yeah...and just last month or so Gore was given an award specifically for his role in helping to create the internet as we know it today.
So who should we believe. The groups handing out awards...or people who only want to hate and smear?
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Rosencrantz
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2006-05-31 15:02
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Gore's comment is very difficult to even understand without seeing it in context. It certainly doesnt seem, at face-value, to be any kind of admission to lying or anything else unconscionable.
You know, it seems to me that if you're going down this rhetorical road, an examination of a similar mindset would be in order.
Like, oh, I dunno - perhaps the one that excuses the Administration's lying and obfuscation during (and since) the beginning of the Iraq war by saying, "Gee, their heart was in the right place, and besides, would you rather have Saddam still in charge?" It's okay if you're a Republican, right? SW Man, that is one huge assumption. You're either stone dead stupid or just have more balls than brains to make that assumption.
Here's an idea, how about viewing the movie and analyze that instead of taking one quote out of an interview and killing the messenger. Oh.. no, you couldn't do that, that'd be.. what's the word.. smart? No.. hmm.. non-partisan? No, can't do that either. Oh well, guess it's better living in your world, eh? Reading comprehension is not your strong point is it?
Full quote from the interview: -------------------------- Q. There's a lot of debate right now over the best way to communicate about global warming and get people motivated. Do you scare people or give them hope? What's the right mix? A. I think the answer to that depends on where your audience's head is. In the United States of America, unfortunately we still live in a bubble of unreality. And the Category 5 denial is an enormous obstacle to any discussion of solutions. Nobody is interested in solutions if they don't think there's a problem. Given that starting point, I believe it is appropriate to have an over-representation of factual presentations on how dangerous it is, as a predicate for opening up the audience to listen to what the solutions are, and how hopeful it is that we are going to solve this crisis. --------------------------------------------- In short: He was asked what the proper mix between hope and fear would be to motivate people. He responds saying that right now it's more important to focus on the "factual presentations on how dangerous it is" Get it? You completely missed the point. The term "over-representation" is what gets me. If you "represent facts" you simply deliver the factual information as it exists. So wouldn't "over-representation" mean going above and beyond what is there? I'm not talking about lying exactly, but more about exaggeration. Say, for instance, I knew a guy who was 7 feet tall, and I said "man that guy is tall, he's like 8 feet tall." I take it that the representation of the truth is that he's tall. The over-representation of the truth would be saying he's 8 feet instead of 7. If my analysis is right, then I think Al Gore is wrong on a personal level. However, to be honest, I generally don't like politicians, and I do think "over-representation" is a very political statement, one that promotes ambiguity. Thus allowing republicans to call him a liar, and liberals to call republicans idiots for not understanding the context. Keep in mind, I'm an independent. I don't give a crap about Gore's political background. I think both sides get a little blinded by politics on something like this.
"overrepresenation" in this, and most, contexts means presenting something MORE than something else. It does not mean changing or exaggerating facts.
There are facts about danger and facts about solutions. Gore thinks it is important to present facts about the danger more often than the facts about solutions because only if people think there is a danger will they be open to solutions. That is very different than *mis*representing the facts about danger. He's just playing fast and loose with the available facts.
Most of the time it's done by putting perfectly true facts into a certain order, so that by the end, you draw the wrong conclusion(s). Al Gore isn't stupid, the 'facts' as they stand today won't influence anyone who isn't on the margins already. He's aiming for "Category 5 denial". You can't do that without adding a bit of hype. I have to go with my intellectual conscience on this one. The context of the question makes it clear that "over-representation of facts" meant that Gore highlights the worse case scenarios in order to hook people in to evaluating the argument. I think it is fair, and accurate, that he did not admit to lying.
I am not a Gore-lover by any means, I host The Hippie Killers for pete's sake, but I can't just ignore the "under-represented" interpretation of his statement. Yes, I too believe that Global Warming is an "over-represented" rationale for implimenting the progressive political agenda, but I can not ignore what is plainly obvious merely to score some gotcha points against a political figure I loathe. I implore you, re-read the interview and leave yourself open to the possibility that you have allowed your bias to cause you to misread his statement. No, I think you missed the point. He is saying that he thinks America is in denial (i.e. not in line with the Gore-approved groupthink), and the best way, in his opinion, to bring them out of denial (be more like him, because his ideas are superior) is to exaggerate the situation. In other words, his "documentary" is an intentional lie in order to inflame popular opinion. In short, he is admitting to demagoguery. Gore is not only a liar, he is freely willing to admit to it and even sound proud of it in an interview. Way to go, Gore.
Reminds me of that recent TV movie about the Avian Flu in the US. Made it sound like the second it gets here the entire population of the US is gonna drop dead.
Thanks for the kind comments.
Did he say "over-representation of facts," or did he not? Is that not a euphemism for "lies"? Hey , commenters - I know science, and I know truth from lies. Is that not a euphemism for "lies"?
It's not, but thanks for playing. We have some lovely parting gifts for you backstage. I find this thread to be very interesting. You've open some solid food for thought. I don't understand, and never have understood, why some need to be so hostile in their comments (like I never have been.. oh no .. my nose is growing again.)
I intend to watch the movie and look for any "over-representation of factual presentations." If nothing else the Bush administration has given us all a crash course in that particular skill. Kudos Thanks for the kind comments.
Did he say "over-representation of facts," or did he not? Is that not a euphemism for "lies"? Hey , commenters - I know science, and I know truth from lies. For a person who previously stated "...there is no excuse for abuse of English, since it has now become our 'national language'." I'd say it's quite ironic you based an entire article on your misinterpretation of a non-contextual quote.
Is it a euphemism for lying? No. Is this article a euphemism for your partisan platform? Undoubtedly. Thanks for the kind comments.
Did he say "over-representation of facts," or did he not? Is that not a euphemism for "lies"? Hey , commenters - I know science, and I know truth from lies. nice straw man.
your right he did say that indeed, 'did he not?', and since that rhetorical question proved to be true it must reflect your wisdom on the subject as a whole including science and lies. But now I'm confused, when someone says for instance: "since it was a telephone survey people with telephones in their homes were over represented and people with only unlisted cell phones are under represented." according to your euphamism theory should I actually understand that as: "since it was a telephone survey people with telephones were lies and people with cell phones were truths."? please in your infinite understanding of science and lies explain that one to me. or is "I know truth from lies" a euphamism now days for "I know I'm full of shit" Thanks for the kind comments.
Did he say "over-representation of facts," or did he not? Is that not a euphemism for "lies"? Hey , commenters - I know science, and I know truth from lies. Thanks for the kind comments.
Did he say "over-representation of facts," or did he not? Is that not a euphemism for "lies"? Hey , commenters - I know science, and I know truth from lies. Thanks for the kind comments.
Did he say "over-representation of facts," or did he not? Is that not a euphemism for "lies"? Hey , commenters - I know science, and I know truth from lies. Thanks for the kind comments.
Did he say "over-representation of facts," or did he not? Is that not a euphemism for "lies"? Hey , commenters - I know science, and I know truth from lies. Doc Bliss, he did say "over-representation of facts". No one is disputing that, but you could shut down a lot of criticism and do us a favor by presenting some of the convenient lies VP Gore made in his movie. Right now, your unqualified assessment of a patient you have never talked to appears to be a thin disguise for a personal attack on a man you've never met.
If you read Gore's commnet carefuly you will see he said nothing about lying. In Marketing there is a common practice of over emphasising the facts or repeating the same several different ways to drive home the point, or as he put it "over-representation".
Lying would be MIS- representation, which the movie or Gore did not do. It isn't politics, it isn't partisanship, it is the scientific facts of a global issue we all need to address as residents and beneficieries of the planet. My Favorite is how this comes on the heals that scientist believe the Ozone layer is "fixing itself."
Aside from Al Gore and general band wagon tactics, give me some concrete proof that 'Global Warming' is something more than an El Nino or La Nina (remember that was going to throw us to an ice age too) effect. So far, it seems the most substansial evidence used to support "Global Warming" ('induced' by man kind) actually supports global trends determined by the passing of time and weather cycles (why it's getting warmer and why it will get colder after it's done getting warmer) -- such as the start of polar ice cap melting Siberian slush blah blah blah which happened before man in the same types of trends. How foolish of us to believe we could impact the trends and trials of time in a potentially predetermined cycle. However, I do think its important as a 'good person' to avoid the 'waste' factor. You know, turn the lights off when you leave a room, pay attention to your gas mileage and ask car manufacturers to do so too -- it saves us, the consumers, a ton of dough and helps us opt out of participating in the circle jerk oil refinery/distribution/auto manufacturer orgy. If you own a hummer, you should be shot for being so wasteful. When your find yourself in a position where you have that kind of dough to burn, think outside the box and invest in organizations that support your beliefs - you know, like get a hospital wing named after you instead of paying 3.50 every few miles you drive on top of your initial "investment", four reserved parking spaces to park your mammoth POS, and home garage expansion -- People will think your junk's bigger. The permafrost in Alaska is melting, chunks of sea ice the size of small states are breaking off of the Antartic ice shelf, Glaciers in greenland are flowing into the sea at an unprecedentad rate. Well documented increases in fresh water intrusion into the north Atlantic (with potential disruptions to the mechanism driving the gulf stream). Pine beetle intrusion into northern forests that used to be beyond their range are occuring thanks to the increase in anual temperatures. Screwed up mygration patterns of animals arriving in say Colorado from Mexico before the snow has thawed due to differences in the local changes from global warming. Increased temperature in the gulf of Mexico since the last time we had a severe storm cycle (meaning this time there will be more heat energy to draw from). Direct short term (
The permafrost in Alaska is melting, chunks of sea ice the size of small states are breaking off of the Antartic ice shelf, Glaciers in greenland are flowing into the sea at an unprecedentad rate. Well documented increases in fresh water intrusion into the north Atlantic (with potential disruptions to the mechanism driving the gulf stream). Pine beetle intrusion into northern forests that used to be beyond their range are occuring thanks to the increase in annual temperatures. Screwed up migration patterns of animals arriving in say Colorado from Mexico before the snow has thawed due to differences in the local changes from global warming. Increased temperature in the gulf of Mexico since the last time we had a severe storm cycle (meaning this time there will be more heat energy to draw from). Direct short term (
note to all dont put a ( followed by a less than symbol,
lets try this again Direct short term (Less than 150 years) measurements of global temperatures. Indirect long term temperatures measurements (tree rings to ice cores). Core samples show un unprecedented amount of CO2 in the Air compared to any time in the past 30,000 years. And Numerous other peer-reviewed studies. Emmisivity of CO2 under various wave lengths of light can be done pretty easily in the lab. Also the wavelength characteristics of radiation emitted from objects (say the earth or the sun) as a function of their temperature is pretty well established, as is the conservation of energy. The vast majority of scientific research on the subject deals with things like how much do air born industrial particulates and cload formation diminish the effects of global warming, or various other factors like that. The question is if we double the carbon in the air (which we can measure directly) will it increase global average temperature by say 2'C or 8'C depending upon how you model it. That's where the scientific consencus is. What gets me is you people will trust scientists and engineers if they build you a car and a bridge and tell you to drive over it. You trust us when you go hurtling through the air at 600mph in a steel tube between airports. you do this because of a basic faith that people are taught something useful when they study say fluid mechanics or heat transfer. But all of a sudden, scientists are a bunch of wacko's who don't know what they're talking about. I mean really have you ever seen bacteria before, so why bother cooking that chicken, just eat it raw. If you get sick its probably just because you had some bad humors in your blood, slap some leeches on your arm and they'll suck it right out of ya. Even GM, GE, and Shell oil admit that its a serious problem (along with a lot of others) and as far as the ozone fixing itself, true it is recovering, but it didn't due it on its own. you try to buy R-12 refrigerant or hairspray with CFC's in it lately. Again the interaction with O3 and chlorine compounds isn't something made up its something chemical engineers can so in a lab. If someone doesn't beleive in chemistry and thinks its a hoax that someone thought up in the movie studio where they filmed the moon walk then by all means use ammonia and bleach togather next time your toilet is dirty. Just make sure there are no innocent science-believers or children/pets around when you do.
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and if you don't believe I'm a real engineer (since I don't quite have a PE or a Phd stuck on my name) the atrocius spelling and so forth ought to be a dead give away. And about half the people I've heard give seminars and what not on issues related to global warming were from industry groops (like power company associations and such) and what not, and they generally are just as concerned as other scientists.
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you people should stop bashing left wingers and start paying attention to the message. if we dont stop polluting this planet, what's going to be left for our kids? what al gore said will not matter in a week, but ozone will not appear from blue sky, will it? why dont i just listen to one of you and go pray for it....
PLease explain how someone saying there needs to be "an over-representation of FACTUAL PRESENTATIONS" is translated by your brain to mean he encourages lying and deceiving?
I'm extremely interested to hear your rationalization over defining "factual presentations" as meaning "to deceive the public by distorting and cherry-picking and exaggerating facts." Seriously, how can any rational person with an ounce of education reach the conclusion you have jumped to? What was the over-representation that he allegedly made? Was it actual numbers or was it a graphic of something like Florida 50 feet under water (when maybe realism suggests 12)?
man, this article is a really shitty troll. "Over-representation of factual information" != "lie" -- it means "showing the truth a whole lot". Note the word "factual".
Because he's making a big deal of it does not mean that he is lying. Or exaggerating. Jeebus. "Over-representation," as defined on dictionary.com, means "Represented in excessive or disproportionately large numbers." It primarily deals with census-taking, so I'm not sure about the context Gore is using here. Is this "over-representation of factual presentations" meant that he really IS ramming the info down our throats, or that (since the definition deals with numbers) he's exaggerating numbers? If it's the latter, it could be considered deceptive. If it's the former, it may not be deceptive, but it is a scare tactic, or just giving his subject "hype"...which would make sense becasue Gore does go on to say, "...as a predicate for opening up the audience to listen to what the solutions are..."
Now, let's look at the context. In the interview, where Gore gave that answer, the relevant question was: "There's a lot of debate right now over the best way to communicate about global warming and get people motivated. Do you scare people or give them hope? What's the right mix?" To which he responded, "I think the answer to that depends on where your audience's head is. In the United States of America, unfortunately we still live in a bubble of unreality. And the Category 5 denial is an enormous obstacle to any discussion of solutions. Nobody is interested in solutions if they don't think there's a problem. Given that starting point, I believe it is appropriate to have an over-representation of factual presentations on how dangerous it is..." On the other hand, "misrepresentation," a favorite buzzword in political circles, means "To give an incorrect or misleading representation of." In other words, lie. To sum it up (i.e. translate), Gore said it's OK to hype the issues (or, use scare tactics) facing our environment to get the rest of America to get its collective heads out of our asses. And he's right. For a good example, has anyone been shown a full-color photograph of a cancerous lung to get them to stop smoking? There IS an increased chance of smokers getting lung cancer, true; but that doesn't mean it's guaranteed (or even better than 50/50, as showing someone this picture and saying "This could happen to you" would do). The risk of cancer, by using this photo, is "over-representing" the statistics of a smoker getting cancer. It's a scare tactic. And, depending on your disposition to scare tactics, it may or may not be (at the least) distasteful. YOu know...the ultimate irony is the headline of this post "rationalizing wrong-doing". Meanwhile we have a post meant purely to bash Gore, made by someone who has never seen the movie and offers no legitimate criticism of any point within said movie. It is also an attack on Gore that the person who runs this site copied from someone else. It isn't even original.
But hey, at least you are rationalizing your baseless attacks on someone who is trying to help make America a better place. Way to rationalize your own wrong-doing. However, I want to point out that you are totally and completely wrong. Period. In fact, you couldn't possibly be any more wrong than you are. HOw you could possibly try and sping the quote "an over representaion of FACTUAL presentations" to mean he's misrepresenting the facts is insulting to intelligent people everywhere and the ultimate in misleading and being deceptive. Gore definitely says people need to be scared to wake them up, but he flat out says they need to be scared by the FACTS. Not cherry-picking, not misleading. He is asked about wherther or not you should present information that scares people or gives them hope and he says people should be scared becasue the FACTS are scary. The "over-representation" is specifically in reference to the scary information vs the hopeful information. That in no way means he is misleading, lying or being deceptive. Just that he wants to wake people up and he believes making them aware of the FACTS regarding the harms of global warming is enough to do that. I know the delusional right-wingers, and many others would love to see a documentary that waters down the scary facts with a pat on the head and telling them it's not their fault, everything they do is righteous and good and harmless but who woudl that help? Or maybe he should focus on the scary facts but on the alternative fuels and pollution controll measures so that people feel there is no problem out there with no dangers. No, Gore is telling the truth and he is right to do so. He is forcing people to look at the cold, hard truth of global warming and forcing them to look at the dangers. He admits it is a scare tactic to open their eyes but the scare tactic is done using truth and facts that no respectable, peer-reviewed scientist disagress with. So again, I ask, how is that a lie, let alone the admission of a lie as claimed in the original article. Uh...u b teh stoopid.
Too many big words for ya' there Punky Brewster? It's a *DOCUDRAMA*. In little words, that means it's a story about the very real dangers of something that the bad men in Washington have allowed to happen so they could make a lot of money. A story is a lot of words and ideas strung together to get a point across. A documentary is a story that mostly tells the absolute truth. But it can't always tell the truth, because the truth is never absolute. A drama is a story that makes some things seem more funny or more scary on purpose. Kinda like camp out stories. If you are still having trouble understanding, that's okay. It happens sometimes. Just try harder....we know you can do it. Here... have a cookie. How about an example of the over-representations of factual information that are the basis for this article?
I've only seen the preview, but I remember him saying something along the lines of "all of the scientific community agrees that global warming is a real and serious threat" which is, among other things, a boldfaced lie.
For an interesting counter-docu-drama (with spin, of course) check out Penn & Teller's Bullshit episode dedicated to global warming. Your premise is fundamentally flawed by your purposeful misrepresentation of Al Gore's statement. In essence you are telling a lie in order to try and prove that Gore is telling a lie.
nowhere does he say he presents incorrect information.
"over-representation of factual presentations" means too many factual presentations. Not only are you stupid enough to misread it, but also to write an entire article on his "fear mongering" of events that are destroying our planet and ecosystem. You not helping the situation by trying so hard to find flaws in someone who is out to do GOOD, but you also seem to be part of the idiot majority that takes something they dont understand, restates it incorrectly, and leads other idiots to their death. go back to the lemming farm. I'd be embarrassed to put Dr. next to my name, if I were you, and have such little command of reading comprehension. It certainly would have helped your case to use specific examples of his "lies" rather than the meaningless "analysis" you gave. A 8th grade English teacher would fail this article. It's laughable that you have a readership. Good day.
I suppose in the fields of psychology and philosophy, the practice of deconstruction is an acceptable means of gaining new meanings, in which case all speech is lying about something. Since we cannot know exactly how to interpret Gore's comment, we can fill in our own interpretation, and we can’t be incorrect. "Over-representation of factual presentations" could be (mis)interpreted in any number of ways. Since any "true" meaning of these words is up to the receiver of such information, I cannot find meaning in Gore's words, but only in your interpretation of them, or my own, etc. I find that your (mis)interpretation of his words shows that you are a right-wing type "thinker". All speech that comes from a person you judge as political left is immediately thought of as falsehood. No matter what is said. If Gore were to say, "I like pancakes for breakfast," you will hear, "I hate America." Thus your (mis)interpretation of Gore reveals more truth about your closed mind and ears, than anything about Gore himself. Like Fox News, you are more interested in playing a game of telephone, in which you misinterpret for your own agenda. I further find it interesting that a political right "thinker" would engage in such a relative way of thinking, where there is no absolute meaning to anything, other than the meaning you personally give. Most right-wingers I know preach absolutes in all things- morality, politics, religion, etc. Perhaps deep down inside you are actually a closet liberal.
See my views on this matter:
http://popculturepundit.blogspot.com/ Gore is not lying. He is sensationalizing because that is the only way to reach the idiots with their head so far down in the sand about the human factor on the environment. How could smoke stacks continually spitting smoke from factories NOT affect the environement ? How could millions of cars constantly emmiting pollution not affect the environment (you know - the same vehicles that when enclosed in a garage are used to KILL people)? Instead of addressing the issues, conservatives want to try to pick at a specific word in the message to try to implicate a flaw in the message. The message is plain and clear - no more Glacier National Park - increased warmth causing greater hurricane frequency and strength - We are having a negative affect on our environment and it needs to be reversed or future generations face peril. Spend more time on the solution to the problem and less trying to pick at the messenger.
Thanks for the link, Farkers. And thanks, Z, for posting Al's comment in context -- it helps shed some light on the subject.
So....Al uses drama to emphasize points in his movie to try and get Americans off of their deadasses and take action regarding global warming, and the shrink parses a single statement out of context to try and discredit the entire film. It's called a "docudrama" for a reason, shrinkydink. One of the examples I've heard about -- his film shows an overhead view of Florida that is quickly covered by water as sea levels rise, but does not specify the time frame in which this action takes place (est. of 100 years or so)....dramatic imagery? You bet....False? Not according to the majority of the scientific community. More word parsing by the shrink: From Dictionary.com "Represented in excessive or disproportionately large numbers: “Some groups, and most notably some races, may be overrepresented and others may be ununderrepresentedScientific American). So...in order to bolster his/her own position, shrink will redefine the word "over-representation" to mean "lie". Well, now....THAT's some honest discourse, now isn't it? (insert sarcastic emoticon here). Partisan. Hack. Your plainly ignorant. This is has been discussed at lenght that this qutoe is being taken OUT OF CONTEXT.
Not even willfully incorrectly parseing that sentace can you come to the conclusion that he is lying. What you should understand is: "Given that starting point, I believe it is appropriate to have an over-representation of factual presentations on how dangerous (global warming) is". http://mediamatters.org/items/200605170011 http://mediamatters.org/items/200605170011 http://mediamatters.org/items/200605170011 http://mediamatters.org/items/200605170011 http://mediamatters.org/items/200605170011 All you liberal idiots fail to admit this site's author's main point... GORE IS FEAR MONGERING.
As for the lies in the movie, check out junk science's piece on it. "lies" is a harsh term, misrepresentation is probably more realistic. To evaluate Al Gore's dedication to truth and science, it is instructive to revisit his actions as a Senator. When Prof. Richard Lindzen had the temerity to publish results that questioned the idea of global warming (see. e.g., http://eaps.mit.edu/faculty/lindzen/cooglobwrm.pdf ), Gore used his powers as a Senator to threaten and intimidate both Lindzen AND MIT. While the current thread discusses the use of mispresentations to advance a cause and while even Prof. Lindzen may have different views than those he held in 1990, this sorry episode revealed that Gore is on a reliqious crusade rather than a scientific search for answers. Moreover, it indicates he is both a liar and a bully who will stop at little to dupe converts to his mission.
Just wanted to congratulate you! I run a weekly installment on my website entitled AssHat Wednesday, and you Doc, have just been inducted into the AssHat Hall of Fame!
My homepage is listed if you care to come and claim your reward. Absolutely, JDC, she is really reaching. The statement, "over-representation of factual presentations" does in no way mean "lie". Hence the word "factual" meaning "in fact", or "truth". In this instance, "over-representation" means just what it says: to over-state, over-present, to say again and again in a myriad of ways.
It's excrutiatingly obvious the earth is changing rapidly for the worse, and it's our own doing. Fish kills, die-offs and extinctions are but a few of the canaries in this coal mine, and people who actively engage in trying to dicredit others who work to educate on such simple and benign activities such as conservation and recycling are either dangerously misguided or just plain evil. And most times they're just paid. My question: Is Dr. Joy Bliss being paid by ExxonMobil or one of its subsidiaries like the small cadre of oil-shill junk scientists, or is she doing it just for fun? http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2005/05/some_like_it_hot.html This is TOTALLY TRUE!!
Al Gore is nothing but a big LIAR!!! I wrote a story about how he wants to *destroy the US economy*! In other words, if you like having a job, then Al Gore is your enemy because he wants to put you out of work just so he can be an important public figure again!! Dumb-o-crats drive me CRAZY!!! They are such ASSES! http://www.liberalsmustdie.com/Home/tabid/36/EntryID/137/Default.aspx Liberal Ass Kicker You need to check your facts. The economy is going to be destroyed if we continue to ignore global warming. Please, do some research before you listen to Fox news as gospel. Their show that got to the bottom of global warming issue, only involved skeptics. They are simply pushing the view of the right, that global warming is a hoax. Try listening to the scientists and the clues supporting their theory that you will see in the news every week. Here are some helpful links;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Warming http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_opinion_on_climate_change http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attribution_of_recent_climate_change http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_dimming http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_scientists_opposing_global_warming_consensus *bwahahaha...erm, hang on a min...
... You aren't seriously offering Wikipedia up as any sort of authoritative or unbiased or objective source, are you? You're right about doing your homework & research. You should probably seek a reference with a bit more cred as, oh, I don't know, a backup source? Maybe even another two or five. After all, information from a single source ain't much use, neither from two, and on the 'net, you can get the same bit of wrong propagated into thousands of copies, so even seeing something everywhere don't make it so. Anywho, all words and phrasings were explicitly chosen herein, so bugger off if you don't like my "conversational style"; all spelling or typographical errors are unintentional; no offense is ever meant; we now return you to your regularly scheduled postings... It means I am going to pummel you with truth!
Which apparently is necessary as this country is lazy and stupid and gets pummelled with lies from the WH daily. Fear-mongering...boy, are YOU funny... Your oblivion and choice to view the world with your little blinders on is almost quaint. You remind me of my great grandmother. She was hit by a truck. I hope to God Hillary does run for President- it will help ensure another republican victory-
p.s. Liberals are fairies Al Gore simply says that he is putting strong emphasis on an important problem. If you want to call that 'fear-mongering', fine, but it won't make the problem go away.
To all you moonbats.... Theres not a damn thing wrong with this planet. Alarmist like Gore have been around for hundreds of years predicting doom and gloom for planet earth. Geesh... you tree huggers need to get a life.
Mother nature can kick your ass and yet you guys think we're killing her. Give me a break. I can go out and make a movie on how resiliant this planet is and present the facts as they are and you still wouldn't have a clue. Again... planet earth is sound, strong, resiliant and one hard MF to kill and no movie is going to play loose with the facts and change that reality... planet earth is just fine and doing well. The icecaps have been melting and freezing in cycles for tens of thousands of years. Every lake in Minnesota was created by a mile of ice that once stood there only 10,000 years ago. Correct me if I'm wrong, but we were not driving "evil SUVs" around back then. Cycles. They exist. Believe it or not.
No one said we are killing the earth. You are right though, it can kick our ass, and that is exactly what is going to happen if we don't wake up. Look, we know we put a hole in the ozone, and a report out in the last 2 weeks says our efforts to reverse the damage we created are working and the hole will be 'fixed' in 20 to 30 years. You are telling us all however, that we have no other impact on our environment, that we don't have to do a damn thing with greenhouse gases (like we did with the ozone), and everything is going to be hunky dorey. The evidence is stacked against you my friend. Take your head out of the sand and do some research.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Warming http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_opinion_on_climate_change http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attribution_of_recent_climate_change http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_dimming http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_scientists_opposing_global_warming_consensus Gore's comment could be interpreted in many ways, you have chosen just one. I came here expecting to see a list of the actual inaccuracies in the movie... but I found nothing except armchair psychoanalysis.
Dr. Bliss, you conservative slant is obvious. Your "Big Al" reference alone gives up your bias - Mr. Gore or just "Al" would have made your commentary more professional and more believable.
Have you, Dr. Bliss, turned this talent for spotting ratiaonizations on to any GOP case studies? Rather than harp on a man's movie with a message, perhaps taking a closer look at real policy makers that are rationalizing their decisions that are having a real impact on the lives of all of us? Those that are rationalizing wrong-doing that are creating real victims? I'll give you a jump start titles for your follow up pieces: Rationalizing Wrong-Doing - starting a war: George Bush as a Case Study Rationalizing Wrong-Doing - pillaging a corporation: Kenneth Lay as a Case Study. Rationalizing Wrong-Doing - manipulating government influence: Jeff Abramoff as a Case Study Rationalizing Wrong-Doing - "all's fair" in promoting the adgend: Karl Rove as a Case Study. Should I go on? Please - go buy a clue somewhere and tackle the real issues. YOU are what's wrong with America.
This is a flat-out misrepresentation of what Al Gore said. "An over-representation of factual presentations" != lying.
Idiot. I think the confusion about the matter stems from people misconstruing "over-representation"
Dictionary.com lists "overrepresentation" as: "Represented in excessive or disproportionately large numbers. Ex: Some groups, and most notably some races, may be overrepresented and others may be underrepresented" http://dictionary.reference.com/search?r=2&q=overrepresentation Agreed. But the real issue is whether this was misconstrued accidentally or intentionally. If accidental, then it was due to the failure of Dr. Bliss to understand the English language. If intentional, then it shows her true intentions.
This is just more of the same punditry that is only serving to tear our country apart. - VL To all the people who failed English and therefore think Gore is lying abotu GLobal Warming.
In the phrase "over-representation of factual presentations" the subject is "presentations" with "factual" being the adjective to describe the subject. He is talking about presentations and how certain presentations should have more representation than people are used to. If you know anything about the english language as taugh in 5th grade or higher, you would realize the term "over-representation" is not related any way to his mentioning of "facts." He is talking about over-representing the number of presentations done on the harms of global warming. Case closed. To continue arguing about Gore admitting lies, or arguig about a movie you've never seen anyway is jsut admitting to being an idiot. Er, yeah, "over-representation of factual presentations" really means "lies", you've got him there! Because, you know, 1 fact is true, and 3 facts is true, but 5 facts? Iffy. And once you start talking about tens or hundreds of facts... OMG! LIES!
Seriously--get a clue. These are the same folks who told you back in the 70s that the new ice age was coming. They had ironclad evidence and it was irrefutable. Global cooling was going to kill us all! Fear-mongers are all around us...
... besides, everyone knows that evil KKKarl Rove is behind global warming!
After inventing the internet...(and don't tell me he didn't say it because he did).. he's now re-inventing the same old crap we've heard before... Al "Chicken Little" Gore... mother nature is just fine Al... thank you for your concern.
Claim: Vice-President Al Gore claimed that he "invented" the Internet.
Status: False. Origins: Despite the derisive references that continue even today, Al Gore did not claim he "invented" the Internet, nor did he say anything that could reasonably be interpreted that way. The "Al Gore said he 'invented' the Internet" put-downs were misleading, out-of-context distortions of something he said during an interview with Wolf Blitzer on CNN's "Late Edition" program on 9 March 1999. When asked to describe what distinguished him from his challenger for the Democratic presidential nomination, Senator Bill Bradley of New Jersey, Gore replied (in part): During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet. I took the initiative in moving forward a whole range of initiatives that have proven to be important to our country's economic growth and environmental protection, improvements in our educational system. Clearly, although Gore's phrasing was clumsy (and perhaps self-serving), he was not claiming that he "invented" the Internet (in the sense of having designed or implemented it), but that he was responsible, in an economic and legislative sense, for fostering the development the I also invented the microphone technology that we now know as the Internet. To claim that Gore was seriously trying to take credit for the "invention" of the Internet is, frankly, just silly political posturing that arose out of a close presidential campaign. Gore never used the word "invent," and the words "create" and "invent" have distinctly different meanings — the former is used in the sense of "to bring about" or "to bring into existence" while the latter is generally used to signify the first instance of someone's thinking up or implementing an idea. (To those who say the words "create" and "invent" mean exactly the same thing, we have to ask why, then, the media overwhelmingly and consistently cited Gore as having claimed he "invented" the Internet, even though he never used that word, and transcripts of what he actually said were readily available.) If President Eisenhower had said in the mid-1960s that he, while President, "created" the Interstate Highway System, we would not have seen dozens and dozens of editorials lampooning him for claiming he "invented" the concept of highways or implying that he personally went out and dug ditches across the country to help build the roadway. Everyone would have understood that Ike meant he was a driving force behind the legislation that created the highway system, and this was the very same concept Al Gore was expressing about himself with his Internet statement. Whether Gore's statement that he "took the initiative in creating the Internet" is justified is a subject of debate. Any statement about the "creation" or "beginning" of the Internet is difficult to evaluate, because the Internet is not a homogenous entity (it's a collection of computers, networks, protocols, standards, and application programs), nor did it all spring into being at once (the components that comprise the Internet were developed in various places at different times and are continuously being modified, improved, and expanded). Despite a spirited defense of Gore's claim by Vint Cerf (often referred to as the "father of the Internet") in which he stated "that as a Senator and now as Vice President, Gore has made it a point to be as well-informed as possible on technology and issues that surround it," many of the components of today's Internet came into being well before Gore's first term in Congress began in 1977. It is true, though, that Gore was popularizing the term "information superhighway" in the early 1990s (although he did not, as is often claimed by others, coin the phrase himself) when few people outside academia or the computer/defense industries had heard of the Internet, and he sponsored the 1988 National High-Performance Computer Act (which established a national computing plan and helped link universities and libraries via a shared network) and cosponsored the Information Infrastructure and Technology Act of 1992 (which opened the Internet to commercial traffic). In May 2005, the organizers of the Webby Awards for online achievements honored Al Gore with a lifetime achievement award for three decades of contributions to the Internet. "He is indeed due some thanks and consideration for his early contributions," said Vint Cerf. What's incredibly sad about people like you and most of the supporters of the author in this thread is the left-wing assumptions you automatically make because it happens to be Al Gore trumpeting these facts rather than some PhD we don't know. No Al Gore is not Chicken Little. But yes the sky is in the process of falling, to use your terribly innept metaphor. And no there is no debate that it is happening except by those critics vetted by the energy companies that Global Warming talk makes nervous.
This whole article is completely beyond ridiculous. You take one statement out of context as a denouncement of Gore's moral compass and the implication that the movie is nothing more than a delirious dream of the left wing. I won't even bother addressing your initial argument because it's such a thinly veiled criticism that it doesn't bear argument. And frankly I don't care what he meant or did not mean in that interview. The factual basis of the movie is very real and concrete. Scientists have been warning about the danger for some time and the moderate predictions have largely come to pass. The notion that you could possibly invalidate an issue as large as Global Warming with one remark from Al Gore (as so many of the far right on here are keen to jump to) is almost as absurd as the arguments denying Global Warming from any sort of scientific basis. The only difference is that you've done one better and jumped into the morality argument that the right seems to think they have a stranglehold on just because they have the religious right in their pockets. If any of you people were even as remotely moral as this preechy article attempts to be you would at the least "think of the children" who will inherit the Earth from you one day and the consequences of your actions now. Do them a favor and stop being so contemptably naive. You are really stretching here
And we do not appreciate it. Gore is trying to sell his movie which is trying to waken the people of our country up to the fact that WE are causing global warming. Its sad to say, but when weather kills, it doesn't kill based upon ideology or beliefs. STOP FOR ONE SINGLE SECOND AND CONSIDER WHAT IF HE IS RIGHT? AND WE DO NOTHING BECAUSE OF YOU Hope you have several floaties, because the ocean levels will rise to the point that Miami, New York, and many other major US cities, all of Bangladesh, Shanghai, Tokyo, it'll all be under water. We have a change, a slim decade, to CHANGE OUR WAYS to be more productive inhabitents of our planet. STOP FOR 1 SECOND AND CONSIDER THE GREATER GOOD OF OUR ENTIRE WORLD BEFORE YOU SO QUICKLY ATTACK BASED UPON PETTY POLITICS. And if you want to attach, I'd love to hear what you'll do. The answer to Not listening to Gore is Simple. BURN ALL THE OIL AND SEE that is, until we're out of oil and we have nothing left to power our computers, cars, etc... yep... looks like a blown gasket to me...
to be more productive inhabitents of our planet. What does this mean? Productivity is at all time highs, at least in the US. You appear to be short-circuiting. ...and since when did AFGore become the wise old sage?? It's like I'm taking crazy pills or something. Is the left so desperate for power that they have to trot out their corpses? The irony, oh the irony. Based on the logic presented here, my next article: *Maggie's Farm lies for publicity*.
That you protest the presentation of FACT says much more about you that it does about Al Gore.
Imbecile. Why do we fracture into two sides in this country? Can't you see that BOTH sides are lying. Gore did here (nice article btw), and Bush did there. While we're at it...take a look at this speech by John Quincy Adams (in 1821) and see if it isn't sadly prophetic in its warnings.
John Quincy Adams on U.S. Foreign Policy http://www.fff.org/freedom/1001e.asp AND NOW, FRIENDS AND COUNTRYMEN, if the wise and learned philosophers of the elder world, the first observers of nutation and aberration, the discoverers of maddening ether and invisible planets, the inventors of Congreve rockets and Shrapnel shells, should find their hearts disposed to enquire what has America done for the benefit of mankind? Let our answer be this: America, with the same voice which spoke herself into existence as a nation, proclaimed to mankind the inextinguishable rights of human nature, and the only lawful foundations of government. America, in the assembly of nations, since her admission among them, has invariably, though often fruitlessly, held forth to them the hand of honest friendship, of equal freedom, of generous reciprocity. She has uniformly spoken among them, though often to heedless and often to disdainful ears, the language of equal liberty, of equal justice, and of equal rights. She has, in the lapse of nearly half a century, without a single exception, respected the independence of other nations while asserting and maintaining her own. She has abstained from interference in the concerns of others, even when conflict has been for principles to which she clings, as to the last vital drop that visits the heart. She has seen that probably for centuries to come, all the contests of that Aceldama the European world, will be contests of inveterate power, and emerging right. Wherever the standard of freedom and Independence has been or shall be unfurled, there will her heart, her benedictions and her prayers be. But she goes not abroad, in search of monsters to destroy. She is the well-wisher to the freedom and independence of all. She is the champion and vindicator only of her own. She will commend the general cause by the countenance of her voice, and the benignant sympathy of her example. She well knows that by once enlisting under other banners than her own, were they even the banners of foreign independence, she would involve herself beyond the power of extrication, in all the wars of interest and intrigue, of individual avarice, envy, and ambition, which assume the colors and usurp the standard of freedom. The fundamental maxims of her policy would insensibly change from liberty to force.... She might become the dictatress of the world. She would be no longer the ruler of her own spirit.... America's glory is not dominion, but liberty. Her march is the march of the mind. She has a spear and a shield: but the motto upon her shield is, Freedom, Independence, Peace. This has been her Declaration: this has been, as far as her necessary intercourse with the rest of mankind would permit, her practice. When John Quincy Adams served as U.S. Secretary of State, he delivered this speech to the U.S. House of Representatives on July 4, 1821, in celebration of American Independence Day. I cannot believe the amount of ignorance expressed in the comments on this page. Global warming is a fact, not fear mongering. As long as the world continues to exploit the earths natural resources beyond what it is capable of renewing, we will edge closer and closer to a breakdown in transportation and industry (and possibly the entire economy eventually).
I am no Gore fan, and I haven't seen the film, but some of you really need to pull your heads from the sand. The crash is probably thirty years off, but think about your grandchildren the next time you buy processed food from halfway around the world with disposible wrappers made of petroleum products. This blatant waste of energy will not last forever, we are consuming far more than the earth can provide for us. As the economy and population in China grows, this will become a much worse problem and could possibly lead to another World War over the remaining resources. It almost seems to me like the elite class is aware of this coming disaster and does nothing because they already realize it's far too late to go back. I suggest the ignorant in this crowd take a look at this free e-book. Read a few chapters before you simply call it "fear mongering". http://www.earth-policy.org/Books/PB2/Contents.htm I can't believe the ignorance of your post. Global warming is no more of a fact than Al Gore is an honest politician.
The earth moves in cycles and its not on the verge of destruction no matter how you spin it.... go push your silly e-book somewhere else. You are correct that the Earth is not on the verge of destruction. We can't destroy the Earth, even if we tried to the best of our ability. The Earth is tough.
What we can do, and are doing, is destroying the ability of the biosphere to sustain our civilization at anything even remotely resembling current levels of population and sophistication. The "cycles" excuse is B.S. By the cycles that have been determined from analyzing millennia of climate data (note: there is a difference between "weather" and "climate"), we should be in a period of cooling right now. What we're experiencing now is UNPRECEDENTED in the ENTIRE HISTORY OF THE PLANET. We have the SMOKING GUN that ABSOLUTELY PROVES (as far as anything in science can be proven) that human activity has much to do with this. The simple fact is this: the Baby Boomer generation, Generation W (often mistaken as the latter half of the Boomer generation, but actually a separate generation), and Generation X were and are spoiled brats (I'm Generation W myself, and I fully include myself in this blame). This is partly because the Greatest Generation, who went through the Depression and World War II rationing, swore that their children would have it better. They spoiled us rotten. The consequence is this: in those few generations, in the space of a SINGLE HUMAN LIFETIME, we've used up nearly HALF of the total petroleum available in the planet. That oil took HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF YEARS, and the deaths of TRILLIONS of living things, to produce. We used up half of it in LESS THAN ONE CENTURY! This is happening just as India and China, each of whose populations is far larger than the USA's, and between them account for about HALF of the world's ENTIRE population, are now saying, "Hey, it's OUR turn now! WE'RE developing nations! WE want to join the First World!" Global climate change will be with us for quite some time, but the input of greenhouse gasses from fossil fuels will decline, for the simple reason that we're running out. The continental US oil fields peaked in October of 1970, the very year predicted by a geologist in 1956. The same geologist predicted that the WORLD oil supply would peak sometime in the first decade of the 21st Century, probably by 2007. When that happens, there'll be chaos and hardship and global famines (even in the USA) that'll make the End Times prophecies of Revelation pale in comparison. And it won't just last seven years. It's too late to stop it now. We blew it. Our generations ruined it for everyone that will follow. What gets me is how many people who oppose environmentalism are (or claim to be) Christians. What, do they not believe the Bible? Revelation 16:8-9 predicts something that sounds an awful lot like global warming and/or ozone depletion. Earlier verses in the same chapter (and elsewhere in the book) describe water pollution, specifically red tide.
For those who support capitalism, conservative politics, and the (so-called) "Republican" (Neo-Con / Dominionist, actually: the (*real*) Republican Party ceased to exist some time ago) Party because you think it's the Christian thing to do, please show me any of the following from the Bible: 1. Where Jesus tells the Rich Young Ruler who asked what he must do to be saved: "One thing thou lackest. Go, and sell all that thou hast, and give it unto the CEOs of the multinational corporations, that it might `trickle down' unto the poor." 2. Where either Jesus or any of His Apostles in fact espouses (*any*) conservative economic policy. While you're at it, please enjoy Acts 2:41-47 (the end of the chapter, and a full paragraph in the Greek, and so not taken out-of-context) and 4:31-37 (ditto), and tell us what modern economic system that most closely describes, that the very early Christian Church under the pre-Paul Apostles actually practiced. Also note that the latter passage continues into Chapter 5 for eleven verses, which shows God Himself (*divinely (and fatally) enforcing*) honest participation in this economic system! Capitalism? Nope. Socialism? Nope. Marxism? Bingo! Compare Marx's own summary of his system with those passages: "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need." So much for "Godless Communism." Uh, I think it's pretty clear that by "an over-representation of factual presentations," Gore just meant presenting more (in his opinion, factual) evidence than is strictly necessary. He certainly was not claiming to be lying.
Which kind of renders all of the rest of this post moot. That you protest the presentation of FACT says much more about you that it does about Al Gore.
That you tout Gore as keeper of said FACTS says everything about you. Continue to revel in your smug pseudosuperiority... The keeper of the FACTS is the entire scientific community, not Al Gore. Your pseudosuperior rebuke is not even close to correct.
Just give me the facts Al. I can figure it out myself. Libs and MSM, all think they're the only one's who are smart enough to understand anything. Just read the above posts. "stone dead stupid", "idiot", "dipshit", 'get an education", etc.
Like someone else said earlier... MOTHER NATURE can kick your liberal asses.... earth rules and everything is fine,... end of story. Now go and hug a tree if it makes you feel better.
And put your head back in the sand if it makes you feel better.
Often when we wish to stimulate a debate, particularly in academia, we use archetypes and abstractions which best illustrate the key points of the topic. In no way do we ever imply that the archetype itself really exists, nor are we stating that a literal implementation or manifestation of the archetype/typology is feasible.
The entire mental exercise is a sense-making process of sorting out underlying meanings of a concept and exploring potential ramifications. Over-emphasis is used to heighten understanding of where conceptual differences lie within the typology. It's a tool for debate and discourse. That's how I intepret Mr. Gore's quote, I fail to see the emphasis on deceipt here. Just my $.02. You right wingers are as funny as a monkey with explosives, and about as accurate too.
It always amazes me when people make the statement that global warming is a FACT. There is as much FACTUAL evidence that Global Warning DOES not exist and as there is for it does exist.
The thing that concerns me is that science is being influenced by political policy. This is a dangerous road. Michael Crichton had a fantastic speech about this issue. Read the speech and then read anything about the facts either for or against global warming. You will not look at either position the same way again. Michael Crichton speach to Joint Session AEI-Brookings Institution, Washington, D.C. January 25, 2005 http://www.crichton-official.com/speeches/speeches_quote08.html No. This has nothing with science being influenced by political policy.
Most of the global warming science and evidence existed before it was even polarized by this administration's steadfast denial or any other politicians (Al Gore included). THERE IS NOT an equal distrubtion of proof/disproof arguments for Global Warming. The the proof side is vastly larger and is NOT in dispute by the greater scientific community. This is not even mentioning that a huge portion of the con-Global Warming scientists are sponsored by grants from energy companies like Exxon Mobile, etc., who just might have a stake in making sure there's another side to the debate that gasoline is slowly warming the planet. WHAT DO YOU GAIN FROM SAYING THIS? Is the republican leadership going to give you a cushy position in the spin factory? OVERREPRESENTATION DOES NOT EQUAL LIES. Lying to congress and the american people over and over again about every single thing in your agenda is lying. Repeating the truth over and over so that it is absorbed by people who are so apathetic is not lying. And forgive people who use profanity when it comes to politics because people who don't just buy the garbage coming out of the shite house are frustrated by the lies and deception. These days every media outlet is spinning the truth and outright lying to us, and if you say anything about it you are called crazy or a conspiracy theorist.
What do you hope to gain from adding to these lies? When are you going to realize that the Shite house does not have your best interest at heart unless you are a millionaire or 'better'. Fact: Most scientists agree that the earth as a whole is getting warmer.
Over-represented "fact:" Most scientists agree that this global warming is directly attributable to human activity rather than natural geological cycles, increased solar intensity and the like. So, over-representing a "fact" means exaggerating it to the point of falsehood. That's my take, anyway. Typical shrink, taking a small comment blowing it out of proportion. How was his mother involved and how does he feel about that?
How exactly does one go about "over-representing" facts of any nature?
Let's examine Gore's choice of words in the form of employment resumes. If you factually list your acheivements, you haven't lied. If you over-represent your acheivements, well, take the ball and run with it, kiddies. Just another case of someone taking a quote out of context to promote their own agenda.
Gore was talking about the difference between presenting the information in a positive, hopeful way (which would have less impact on complacent American viewers) or slamming the point home in a more brutally honest way. His quote about over-representation of factual presentations merely refers to the latter method, a more over-the-top presentation. It's the difference between telling someone that Grandma "is getting ready to pass on to the next world" or that Grandma "is slowly and painfully being eaten away by the cancerous tumors that riddle her ancient bowels." Both may be factually accurate, but the latter is not sugar-coated. It's too bad no one decided to read the interview in full, or even a little bit. The quote is taken out of context and is relating to the trailer and poster for the film, not the film itself.
From the interview: Q: The marketing for the movie -- the trailer and the poster -- are completely over the top. "The scariest movie you'll ever see!" But the movie itself is quiet and methodical, and quite hopeful at the end. Did you deliberately choose those respective strategies? A: It's a great trailer, very effective. But the people who make the trailer are completely different from the people who make the movie. I think they've done a terrific job on the movie, and I think a different group did a terrific job on the trailer. The purpose of a trailer is very different from the purpose of a movie. I talked with Steven Spielberg, who saw the movie and loved it, and saw the trailer and loved it. And I asked him pretty much the same question you're asking me. He said, "Al, you've got to know this: the purpose of a trailer is to grab an audience by the throat and wrestle them into the seat." [Laughs.] They've got two minutes instead of 92 minutes, and they want to get people in to see the movie. === The trailer: http://www.apple.com/trailers/paramount_classics/aninconvenienttruth/trailer/ And the poster: http://imdb.com/gallery/ss/0497116/Ss/0497116/ait_final45.jpg?path=gallery&path_key=0497116 Why don't we just give Michael Moore a camera to go out and do the same thing Gore did. Its no more factual than that POS Farenheit 9/11.
This is nothing more than a politican trying to promote an agenda that fills his pockets and ego. THIS IS ALL ABOUT FUNDING!!! NO MORE.... NO LESS. THERE IS NO PENDING CATASTROPHIC FAILURE OF EARTH Dissenting respected scientist views are squashed. Read this.... Mr. Lindzen is Alfred P. Sloan Professor of Atmospheric Science at MIT from the Wall Street Journal: http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110008220 Ergo: Science magazine published a study claiming that a tree ring analysis found striking similarities between 20th century increases in global temperature and the Medieval Warm Period -- a period lasting from 1330 AD to 1600 AD which saw similar increases in temperature. Researchers examined ancient tree rings at 14 sties on three continents. According to Edward Cook of the Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory, We don't use this as a refutation of greenhouse warming, but it does show that there are processes within the Earth's natural climate system that produce large changes that might be viewed as comparable to what we have seen in the 20th century. Not surprisingly, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change's climate models simply ignore the Medieval Warm Period. The models simply compare current temperatures to those of the immediately preceding pre-industrial societies. It is almost as if the Medieval Warm Period simply never happened as far as the IPCC is concerned (which makes it a lot easier to claim the current warming trend is completely unprecedented and, therefore, must be due to human-induced changes in the climate. FACT: ALL, read that ALL Peer reviewed scientific data shows that Global warming is a fact.
The only reason there is any conflicing data is due to the millions the oil companies spent since the 80's to discredit global warming. It is criminal what the oil companies have done to make sure they could keep lineing their pckets. Read this memo if you want to see for yourself. http://www.environmentaldefense.org/documents/3860_GlobalClimateSciencePlanMemo.pdf First let me say that after reading your so-called case study and subsequent responses defending it make me feel sad for my young daughter.
Joy, thank you for your post. I don't agree with your logic or the context in which you've chosen to base your "case study", but you are truly welcome to your opinion. I do think because you call yourself a doctor that somehow it attempts to legitimize your position, which is unfortunate. If you were trying to do a case study on Al Gore's comment then I think that's already been disproved. First, you must take what he said in context. Second, "over-representation" and "mis-representation" are two totally different things. Over-representation of factual presentations is not a mis-interpretation of the truth, rather than an abundance of factual representation. You are equating what he said as mis-representation which is non-factual presentation of an issue. As an independent thinker, It bothers me sometimes that some partisan conservatives are so over zealous in their attempts to discredit and smear those that don't share the same beliefs sickens me. I'll play devil's advocate and give you some quotes to do case studies on and I'd be curious to see your findings. Are these "mis-representations" or "over-representations" of factual presentation: 1. "Brownie, you're doing a heck of a job!" 2. "I would like this to end as quickly as possible [CIA leak probe]. If someone committed a crime, they will no longer work in my administration." 3. ''The problem here is that there will always be some uncertainty about how quickly Saddam can acquire nuclear weapons. But we don't want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud. " 4. “There’s a lot of money to pay for this that doesn’t have to be U.S. taxpayer money, and it starts with the assets of the Iraqi people…and on a rough recollection, the oil revenues of that country could bring between $50 and $100 billion over the course of the next two or three years…We’re dealing with a country that can really finance its own reconstruction, and relatively soon.” 5. "The British Government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa." I could list more but these are just some you can begin to analyze. One thing that frustrates me about some of my fellow Americans is that there are so many other things that are much more significant to our future, many partisans would rather talk about Bill Clinton's penis or Al Gore's "lies". Thank you for the entertainment you've provided today, doc. For the record, Bush IS capable of telling the truth, and being accurate in his wording. Case in point:
"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we." Some influences on climate change are out of our control.
Check out "NASA study finds increasing solar trend that can change climate" at this link: http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2003-03/nsfc-nsf032003.php "The tale of Global Warming has now become a religion instead of science and great fundraiser for extreme environmentalists. I don't think it's a hoax, just bogus science, I got news for you ... the weather patterns change. A thousand years ago, Europe was warmer than it is today. Five hundred years ago we had a mini-ice age. Sixty years ago between 1940 and 1970, the weather got cooler. Now it gets a couple of degrees warmer and suddenly the world's comin' to an end. It's nonsense."
Studies have shown that greenhouse gases produced by human activity accounts for around 1 percent of the gases in the atmosphere. The total elimination of human generated greenhouse gases would have a negligible effect on Earth’s global mean atmospheric temperatures. The elimination of all U.S. gasoline powered vehicles would reduce worldwide “greenhouse” emissions by less than 0.2%.” What would be the effect on global mean temperatures? None. Doubling of manmade greenhouse emissions above current levels would increase the global mean temperature by one degree Centigrade, which is within the normal range of temperature swings.
It is the fluctuations of the Earth’s orbit around the sun, volcanic eruptions, the emission of gases by oceans and trees, all natural occurrences, that cause rises and declines in global mean temperatures, i.e., “global warming” and “global cooling,” not human activity. Satellite data taken over the past 25 years indicate no surface or atmospheric warming. If anything there has been a very slight cooling, on the order of 0.01 degree Centigrade. Recently, astronomers have noticed a thinning of the polar icecaps on Mars. Is this “global warming, Mars style” and do Martian SUVs, power plants, and industries cause it? Hardly, but the “environmentalists” think so. Some even blame it on us here on Earth. Global warming IS a hoax. Those claiming that “global warming” is real have an agenda other than saving the planet from human activity You might want to do a little more research. Try the last one in particular. Even on fox news they said almost no scientist disagrees that the earth is warming. I'm just simply amazed at those who can site by and call it a hoax. If you want to debate the reasons it is happening, and what if anything should be done about it, fine, let's talk. But if you are going to stand by saying Global Warming is simply a hoax, wow....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Warming http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_opinion_on_climate_change http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attribution_of_recent_climate_change http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_dimming http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_scientists_opposing_global_warming_consensus Gore didn't admit to lying, he admitted to bludgeoning viewers over the head with an overabundance of facts.
Who is this "psychoanalyst"? Did she go to school? Is she capable of parsing the English language? I wouldn't let her near my brain, because proximity to her might just make me dumber. Either that, or she's a conscience-less propagandizer who is willing to LIE herself in order to put forward a jingoistic, ANTI-AMERICAN political agenda. And I'm not even a fan of Gore, much less the democratic party. I'm just so tired of this BULLSH!T. Are you really that stupid?
Here's the context. Gore was answering a question about why he talks more about the problem itself than about solutions. From Al Revere An interview with accidental movie star Al Gore By David Roberts 09 May 2006 Q:There's a lot of debate right now over the best way to communicate about global warming and get people motivated. Do you scare people or give them hope? What's the right mix? A:I think the answer to that depends on where your audience's head is. In the United States of America, unfortunately we still live in a bubble of unreality. And the Category 5 denial is an enormous obstacle to any discussion of solutions. Nobody is interested in solutions if they don't think there's a problem. Given that starting point, I believe it is appropriate to have an over-representation of factual presentations on how dangerous it is, as a predicate for opening up the audience to listen to what the solutions are, and how hopeful it is that we are going to solve this crisis. Over time that mix will change. As the country comes to more accept the reality of the crisis, there's going to be much more receptivity to a full-blown discussion of the solutions. http://www.grist.org/news/maindish/2006/05/09/roberts/index.html So Gore didn't say that he exaggerates the problem in the movie. He said that it makes sense to talk more about the problem itself than about the solutions now because if people do not think it's a problem they will not look for solutions at all. That's what "over-representation of factual presentations" means. You may stop lying about Gore and you may then have some credibility. Whether he is right or wrong, lying or not - I think my personal choice of action is to live as if Global Warming existed. My mom always taught me to err on the side of caution. Seems better than being gluttonous and then finding out in 40 years that I was wrong.
It just makes sense to me. Everyone else can make their own personal choices too. \but what do I know? \\I'm silly enough to wear a seatbelt though the odds of me getting into an accident are overwhelmingly in my favor of not \\\fears that I just jinxed myself into getting into an accident on the way home from work. sooo.. where are those WMD?
chuckle Convenient Lies? puuhhhlease! do you understand english? we shouldn't have to post the definitions of words for you. -Hype Why so much venom here? Why all the hostility and fear of facts? Come on, you know Al did not lie. The only thing he is guilty of is loving this country beyond the point of his own self-preservation. Don’t you think he knew some would try and strike back at him with swift boat games? Lets try to look beyond our parties (what have they done for you lately?) and try to get at the core of our problem- we are being fragmented by self-serving elitists who are only seeking personal power and wealth. Al Gore is clean from this. Why not try to consider him a friend. Don’t you love this country too?
It's not really amazing.
I don't argue whether he admits to lying or not. I don't believe anyone here will deny that Gore was sensationalizing the issue though. Regardless of whether actual lies were used, and whether anyone wishes to admit it, Gore misrepresented the situation as a crisis. Much like a well-meaning church that tries to suggest that viewing porn encourages rape, and all porn must be eliminated to stop rape, Gore uses exaggeration to imply that the situation is worse than it is simply to scare people. This is crying wolf, and it's EXACTLY what is wrong with certain political groups. People get sick of the constant "crisis this" and "crisis that" and no longer believe any of it. Al Gore is not doing his friends any favors by exaggerating the crisis. People who watch the movie and get scared will rebound farther away from his viewpoint not long after, once they detect anything exaggerated. The only converts he gets will be a few who become "believers", but he will push away more than he gets. This sort of thing only creates a division. It's a shame that true and unbiased reporting of the situation will probably never exist. If there really is a problem, nothing less than full honesty without exaggeration will convince most people. Why do Republicans, Chickenhawks, Neo-Cons and all the apologists HATE America?
Answer: Because America embraced liberalism, which gave the power to the people instead of a certain group of people. America upheld the Constitution, instead of letting local bigotry subvert the law. -Hype o·ver·rep·re·sent·ed (ō'vər-rĕp'rĭ-zĕn'tĭd) pronunciation
adj. Represented in excessive or disproportionately large numbers. Thank you, dictionary. Whether you "believe" in global warming or not, running out of oxygen will still kill you.
The planet will survive. But, humans may not, if so many of us continue to be ignorant (and angry). Zil Wow, the author of this article is a moron who can't even read English. "Over-representation of factual presentations" means "state the facts more often."
I realize a number of posters have already pointed out that the author is a complete moron. However, I believe that the over-representation of factual presentations about moronic conservative blow-hards is warranted. :) So once more: MORON Too over-represented? I don't think so. One more time: MORON. Please die. Thank you. Isn't it obvious why THE FACTS need to be overrepresented? There's SO MUCH FREAKING NONSENSE in the media that people don't have a clue what is true and what isn't. Take, for example, this idiotic article.
Please, Mr. Gore, keep over-representing THE FACTS. I'm sick of THE LIES from Exxon/Mobil and the Competitive Enterprise Institute getting so much representation. Huzzah! Who cares about facts? Who cares about truth? Who cares about science? Who cares about intelligence? Who cares about the survival of the human race?
I have a personal relationship with JEEEEEEEE SUUUUUUUUUS! I'm going to laugh so much watching the horrible torments that await all of you "scientists" and "intelligent" people when God sends you straight to H-E-double toothpicks. I traded in my intelligence for blind faith a long time ago and I've never regretted the decision. Of course, I'm not really smart enough to actually think for myself any more, but my preacher tells me I'll be saved when God snuffs out everyone with two brain cells to rub together. Who cares if we choke and drown in our own wastes? I'm going to heaven! Woo hoo! Please die? Wow. The venom some of you display to anyone who argues from a position that is different than your own is shocking and sad.
How can one read "over-representation of factual presentations" as "lies"?!? What Gore said was that now is a time to talk more (i.e. over-represent) about the facts of global warming than about what we might do about it. His point was, lets get everyone on the same page about the problem before we start discussing solutions.
Al Gore understands difficult concepts like "representation" and "truth", unlike Chimpy who seems to think that if he simply repeats the same lie enough times, it magically becomes truth. >>Please die? Wow. The venom some of you display to anyone who argues from a position that is different than your own is shocking and sad.
Your false outrage is transparent and idiotic. Please die. Editor's note: Dr. Bliss responds to many of the below
comments on the subsequent posting today. This is an obvious exaggeration of the facts by the Editor. Dr. Bliss merely reposts the same two posts repeatedly. Two weak, meaningless responses cannot be characterized as many. (see comments 2-3, 15-21). Neither posting responds in any substantial way to the obvious questions of: 1) What facts has Gore misrepresented? 2) The meaning of overrepresented is that they were "represented in excessive or disproportionately large numbers" (h/t awesome). Even if you're totally oblivious, it's obvious that Gore was saying that he wanted to hit the viewer with so many facts from so many sources that even the most jaded objector might be swayed. Why is this a bad thing other than that it shows that your article is completely invalid in its premise? So, Editor, it is appropriate to distort the truth in pursuit of your agenda? Should we re-name this blog, "Convenient Lies"? You seem mush better suited to answer this question than Al Gore. Is it OK for you to deceive your readers by distorting and cherry-picking and exaggerating facts, because it's in defense of a foolish editee? This article is solipsitic and pretentious petty trash, based on a false premise. "an over-representation of factual presentations" is not a lie. Making the leap to lying is disingenuous intellectual fraud.
If one takes from an equal pool of 100 articles on abstract subject x, 50 in favor, and 50 against, all fully factual, arguing different sides of a legitimant issue, and stacks a presentation with 6 articles, 5 in favor and 1 against (or vice versa), one has not lied, one has merely deliberately made 'an over-representation of factual presentations' Al may be a jackass. Or not. But either way, his position on global warming is overshadowed by the flagrently faulty basis of the analysis attempted. You're unlikely to convince anyone YOUR not a jackass, until you address that shortcoming with some analytical rigor and depth of perspective. > If you can believe that the angels are on your side, > or that you are a victim, or that you are better > than other people - anything goes Exactly, you partisan hack. And that's why everyone is calling bullshit on your analysis. Try not jumping the shark next time with a leap into intellectual sloppiness, convinced a priori that you parsed something that wasn't there. Wow another politician that uses over-representation of facts to scare Americans into action. This is the normal operating procedure of America since Paul Revere (The British are Coming, The British are Coming) This is what they do. As far as the Science behind global warming is concerned, I associate it with the same science that made everyone believe the Earth was flat. We all have our myths backed by data. Once science cures a major illness or creates anything as impressive as Velcro then I may pay attention.
I do love the bi-polar political comments. The lefties and righties alike both believe what ever their side tells them to believe. There are a few comments on here that seem to come from the brain of a free thinker. I hope Al Gore releases his movies in the Theater so I can enjoy it as much as I did The X-men 3 movie or The Divinci Code. I will at least give it that much attention. They should serve Environmentally Safe Pop Corn and Non Carbonated drinks. Hey Doesn’t Carbonated drinks give off Green House Gases CO2? I could swear they do and no one complains about that. Why is that? Couldn’t we just save the planet by charging less for bottled water then we do Coke? I need to contact Speilberg and get me a movie deal on Global Warming before we figure out that “The Day After” was a movie not a political agenda. Just in case Global warming is for real I suggest we all leave our Fridges open throughout the summer to beat back the heat. Heck maybe if we all do it long enough the Freon we released back in the 70’s might actually not bounce my thermometer up another 2.5 degrees this summer. Hey what can I do for the Humidity? Is Global Wetting and issue? I sure like it when it down under 80% . I better stop before I start a panic. My Disclaimer: My Facts in the comment are not based on any reality in which I know of. They are only intended for the reading pleasure of the BLOG junkies that read them and should not be used to line the pockets of politicians. If you feel the need to waist money on these issues feel free to hit up my environmentally safe Pay Pal account. P.S. Enjoy the Movie. But the British were coming?
And what's with the freon? That's like someone said to me the other day something about styrofoam and global warming. That's not Global warming, thats the hole in the ozone layer, That's so 1990's, total different. like you Said global warming is all about greenhouse gasses (and how they keep the infrared radiation from escaping to outer space-ever notice how when you say outer space instead of just space it makes everything sound hoaky?) Speaking of green house gasses methane is also one, I'm glad atleast the Venezuelans are doing something about that one: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4943486.stm quite obviously liberals don't know the difference between lies and repeating misinformation. if you tell a lie you know it's false when you are saying it, ie al gore whenever he opens his mouth. when you make a statement based on information you are told is reliable and later find out it is inaccurate that's not lying. just a little service announcement to all the michael moore hemmorhoids out here keeping in step.
also to accept a lie because it's morally justified, proves you have no morals at all. OK, here is an example that illustrates the difference:
Lying: Free Republic headline in original article. Repeating Misinformation: Dr. Bliss when writing this article So, from your statement about Gore lying when he opens his mouth, I take it that you believe that he knows that global warming is not happening and that all the evidence he presented and all the scientific experts he uses are merely an elaborate and cynical sham. That he doesn't even think it might be true, but that he is exploting it for partisan reasons. How does that explain his support of this issue when it was an obvious political loser? Was he just thinking long term? one more thing you liberal myrmidons, global warming is caused by the sun. not by leaded gasoline, ,not by cow flatulance, not by freon, not now by co2, you got to keep your lies straight, you've changed your story over the years so many times why does anyone believe this crap. i really love the lie that global warming will cause an ice age ??????????????????? push the theory that global warming is caused by liberals lying and i might finally believe you.
1. Like many here have said rationally (give or take the word "dipshit"), Al Gore did not say he "lies" in this excerpt. That people think he did so says a lot about our soundbyte culture. Screw context! I already made my snarky opinion!
2. Al Gore's movie is not a fear-mongering propaganda piece, no matter how many talking heads on spurious cable news channels say it is. The marketing of it may be, but the movie itself is a solid argument that is both informative and entertaining. Not entertaining in that "he's making stuff," but entertaining in that global warming is explained in a likable way - clips from Futurama, etc. It's sad how our country has become so filled with partisan sheep.... Hasn't anyone noticed that whether Gore lied or not is immaterial to the article? The author uses only one fact to base his argument: Gore said he lied. By simply using a dictionary I can prove this false. Therefore, his claim that Gore lied is completely unproven. This doesn't mean, however, that Gore didn't lie. Of course, the burden of proof is on the one making the claim, and the author has not satisfied that burden. Logically, his claim is considered false.
On an unrelated note, psychologists (with a doctorate degree) have, earned the right to use Dr. as a title in any context (unlike, say, Ph.D.'s or L.D.'s) . If Dr. Bliss is a psychiatrist, then, she has earned the right to use the title. I If she is not a psychiatrist, she is guilty of misrepresentation, as it is clear that the context would make her appear as such. If she wanted to use her title (which I am assuming she has), she should use Joyce Bliss, Doctor of __. The use of such terms of "Dr. Joy," however, is completely inappropriate unless you know the author personally. You people are pathetic. Al Gore did not "rationalize wrong-doing" or "admit lies" in his movie. Go back and read the whole interview. He was saying the best way to motivate people to recognize the global warming problem is to be dramatic with "factual presentations" showing the dangers of global warming. "Factual presentations" are not lies. Sheesh.
Yeah, completely. You guys are all f-word idiot a-holes. An "over-representation" does not mean lies, or even stretching the truth in any way. The fact that this website spent a whole article bending this statement into whatever they saw fit is pathetic. I am tired of human beings. We are collectively horrible and pathetic, and here is a good example. We DESERVE to go extinct. Sure, there is amazing greatness inherrent in human beings. But I think, at this point, anyone who argues that the pros outweigh the negatives is insane. I am just done with humanity. Here someone is presenting an argument backed by the ENTIRE scientific community that unless we do something drastic in the next 10 years, humans will be doomed to near extinction, along with millions of other species. You know what? Jack s-word is going to be done, because humans are worthless and incapable of rising about the slime and bickering. Get ready for the crash, a-holes...I hope you had fun with your small p-word, unnecessary SUVs.
Kurt Vonnegut said it best, with his epitath for humanity in "Hocus Pocus": We could have saved it, but we were too damn cheap. Kurt Vonnegut is at best a senile and addlepated misanthrope; at worst, he's simply nuts.
Which makes me think of Noam Chomsky for some reason... I went to the hospital today and bullied my way to the front of the line and telling them that my foot was infected with gangrene. But when the doctors found out I had an ingrown toenail, they accused me of lying.
I was not lying. I was merely giving an over-representation of factual presentations of the crisis that was my ingrown toenail. Obviously the doctors were Republicans and didn't understand my liberal nuance. |
I do not watch Academy Awards, but I see Al won his statue. Deservedly so - he is as phoney as everything else in Tinseltown.As Michaels points out in NRO:In early February, Science published another paper showing that the recent acceleration of Greenland
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Watch the documentary Bird Dog posted last night. It's about an hour, but it goes fast. The new bumper sticker: "Gore Lied: Children Cried." Indeed, Gore admitted lying in his movie. His rationale for doing so? "A greater good."WaPo:
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Watch the documentary Bird Dog posted last night. It's about an hour, but it goes fast. The new bumper sticker: "Gore Lied: Children Cried." Indeed, Gore admitted lying in his movie. His rationale for doing so? "A greater good."WaPo:
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Watch the documentary Bird Dog posted last night. It's about an hour, but it goes fast. The new bumper sticker: "Gore Lied: Children Cried." Indeed, Gore admitted lying in his movie. His rationale for doing so? "A greater good."WaPo:
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Watch the documentary Bird Dog posted last night. It's about an hour, but it goes fast. The new bumper sticker: "Gore Lied: Children Cried." Indeed, Gore admitted lying in his movie. His rationale for doing so? "A greater good."WaPo:
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Watch the documentary Bird Dog posted last night. It's about an hour, but it goes fast. The new bumper sticker: "Gore Lied: Children Cried." Indeed, Gore admitted lying in his movie. His rationale for doing so? "A greater good."Powerl
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