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Friday, September 1. 2017
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What's in Nutella?
Should Chinatowns Stay Chinese?
Spain's annual tomato war
The Oldest Known Human Remains in the Americas Have Been Found in a Mexican Cave
Underwater caves. Makes sense. All early coastal settlements are deep underwater now due to Holocene sea level rise
FDA Deems MDMA, Banned Since 1985, a 'Breakthrough Therapy'
Google Critic Ousted From Think Tank Funded by the Tech Giant
The Militarization of the Hamptons - Why is a heavily armed counterterrorism force patrolling the parties of the rich and famous?
Evergreen State College Follows University of Missouri Into Ruin
Florida Democrat Election Official Admits Noncitizens, Felons Voting
Z-man's More Devil’s Dictionary
THE TIME HAS COME TO STOP THE WAR ON FREE SPEECH - If local authorities won’t do it, the Federal government must.
After a CNN interviewee erupts in anger, disaster reporting standards come into focus
Toon below via Legal Insurrection
Helping the kneady! Pizza Hut staff use kayaks to brave chest-high waters to deliver free pies to devastated families in Hurricane Harvey
Shelby Steele Rips Michael Eric Dyson — ‘This Man Is a Plague on His People’
Sham: Transcripts Reveal Comey Decided He Was Going to Let Hillary Skate Long Before Investigation Was Over
Poses as a boy scout but he's a slippery one
Southern Poverty Law Center Transfers Millions in Cash to Offshore Entities - Left-wing nonprofit pays lucrative six-figure salaries to top management
Should Young Illegals Be Punished For Their Parents’ Unlawful Entry Into The U.S.?
Firebrand Trump Strategizes ‘All Options’ North Korea Approach
Best option: China makes Kim disappear
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"Don’t punish young immigrants for their parents’ choices"
I think Pirate left out a few salient points, in response to a ridiculous piece of rhetoric, that includes
"Why should we penalize students who succeed in our exemplify American values?"
schools, follow our rules, and First, what American value did they exemplify? They knowingly and willingly stole from Americans.
"Children should not be pawns in our larger political battles. A child who attends our high schools for at least three years and graduates here is allowed to pursue higher education at in-state tuition rates"
Second, by the time they graduate, they aren't "children".
Third, why should they pay in-state tuition rates, those rates are reserved for those who pay taxes and whose ancestors pay taxes.
Fourth, the growing cost of higher ed, along w/ its diminishing ROI, show that it's an unsustainable bubble. So, you're either not doing those students any favors by encouraging them to go to college, or you're stealing even further from Americans by giving these foreigners financial aid packages.
Fifth, and don't miss this if these students "exemplify American values?" and have some advantage by going to HS in the US, then we do EVERYONE a favor by sending them back to their native country! Let them make their own countries great, isn't that the kindest thing the US can do for the world?
DrTorch: then we do EVERYONE a favor by sending them back to their native country!
For many on DACA, they have no roots in their native country. Some are still even children.
The big words must have confused you. Your response didn't make any sense. You insist on writing responses even when you know nothing.
DrTorch: The big words must have confused you.
This is where you had an opportunity to further explain your views.
You said that DACA children should be sent back to their native country. However, many DACA children immigrated when they were very young, so have little or no memory of their native country. They are culturally American. Sending them to their native country would be akin to exiling a native-born American to a foreign country.
I don't explain anything to you b/c you know nothing of facts and logic. My time has more value than that.
I think the issue should be solved this way:
1) These children of illegals did not know this was happening at the time or couldn't stop it from happening.
2) However, they are illegal and must either self-deport or report themselves to immigration.
3) If they do step 2, we should craft a law for people ONLY during a certain time period (no extensions of such a law) that allows them to have expedited visa applications for re-entry into the U.S. as a legal immigrant.
4) Then they must follow all the steps of becoming a citizen.
I would be okay with that. Those who are honorable and want to follow the law will do this. If they know they will only have to remain in their home country for a short period of time, they will do it. I would, if it were me.
You're right! A one time fix with strict limitations so this never happens again. Finally an end to the problem. Certainly if we do that it won't become part of the problem and lure future illegal immigration, right! Why didn't someone think of this before? Oh wait! wasn't there a Simpson–Mazzoli Act back in 1986 that was supposed to fix this once and for all? And didn't it result in the largest flood of illegal immigration in our history as everyone thought we would just give them amnesty again? And didn't all the Democrats (and Republicans too) promise to build a wall as part of that "solution"? But as soon as the bill was passed and the money was allocated to build that wall all our politicians accepted Chamber of Commerce money to allow unfettered illegal immigration. They do this knowing that illegal immigrants kill about 3000 people a year, rape over 100,000 people a year, sexually assault 100's of thousands of children a year, cost American taxpayers over $300 billion a year, commit 20% of the crime in America. They do this knowing that the Chamber of Commerce and big business makes money on illegal aliens while everyday Americans are preyed upon by them. Yeah! Let's give a few million amnesty (again). That should fix it.
Wow, DACA designees illegally given citizenship by Obama:
Now we have yet another issue to deal with, the revocation of citizenship illegally given to these folks. It's amazing the harm that Obama has done to our country.
If a parent is a criminal; let's say he is a crooked accountant and an embezzler; and let's say that he sustained his family in a lavish lifestyle....
Then let's suppose that the guy finally gets caught.
The court sentences the guy to prison and the McMansion gets liquidated to provide some restitution. The luxury cars get repossessed. The kids can't go to their expensive private school.
The family is now homeless and on welfare.
Is that fair?
The kids didn't commit any crime! Why are they made to suffer?
Shouldn't the court compel the company to maintain their lifestyle?
Steve: The kids can't go to their expensive private school. The family is now homeless and on welfare.
No, but they can go to public schools; while public assistance, along with Children's Medicaid, provides a safety net for the innocent children in this case.
All paid for by the American taxpayers. The same people who, through their representatives, made it a crime to immigrate to this country illegally. Why should they now subsidize people who aren't supposed to be here in the first place?
mudbug: All paid for by the American taxpayers.
Sure. Society has reached a consensus that the children should be provided minimum assistance, even if their father is a "crooked accountant and an embezzler".
mudbug: The same people who, through their representatives, made it a crime to immigrate to this country illegally.
As for undocumented immigrants, most of them work. As for their children, you would not provide them access to public schools?
"As for undocumented immigrants, most of them work."
No, but most are on public assistance.
"As for their children, you would not provide them access to public schools"
Not in their home countries.
The children of a crooked accountant or an embezzler are citizens, the children of an illegal immigrant is not. Whether their parents work (also illegal) or not is immaterial.
That you are saying the law abiding taxpayers should subsidize the children of people who shouldn't be here in the first place doesn't surprise me.
Yes. The workforce participation rate for undocumented immigrants is higher than for citizens.
Borjas, The Labor Supply of Undocumented Immigrants, National Bureau of Economic Research 2016: "the work propensity of undocumented men is much larger than that of other groups in the population; that this gap has grown over the past two decades; and that the labor supply elasticity of undocumented men is very close to zero, suggesting that their labor supply is almost perfectly inelastic."
DrTorch: That you are saying the law abiding taxpayers should subsidize the children of people who shouldn't be here in the first place doesn't surprise me.
That you would deprive children of an education because of the actions of their parents is not surprising.
So, you are saying that the entity that is harmed by the illegal activity is not financially responsible for maintaining the family of the criminal, in the manner to which they have been accustomed?
Steve: So, you are saying that the entity that is harmed by the illegal activity is not financially responsible for maintaining the family of the criminal
No, but most modern societies do provide a social safety net, which includes public education for children.
Of course the illegals have a higher "employment" rate: that's how they survive. But how many of those illegals are employed at less-than-proper wages by the very elites who profess to be for open borders? Of course they are: that's how they get their cheap nannies, gardeners, and household help.
So, you ARE saying that the harmed entity (in the case of illegal immigration, the United States and its citizens have been harmed by the criminal activity) has an obligation to maintain the minor children of a criminal in the manor they have come to enjoy as the fruit of the criminal behavior.
Steve: So, you ARE saying that the harmed entity (in the case of illegal immigration, the United States and its citizens have been harmed by the criminal activity) has an obligation to maintain the minor children of a criminal in the manor they have come to enjoy as the fruit of the criminal behavior.
Children are not guilty of the sins of their parents, whether those parents are bank robbers who never paid a dime in taxes, or parents who entered the U.S. illegally. There is a social obligation for the U.S. to provide a minimal safety net to children within its borders.
No such special obligation exists that I can find in the law. What special legal obligation does your research uncover?
Steve: No such special obligation exists that I can find in the law.
We didn't mention a legal obligation, but a social obligation, but as you asked; for public education for children see Plyler v. Doe.
"Should Young Illegals Be punished for their parents unlawful entry"
No, of course not. The only humane thing to do is return them to their home country and their families as quickly as possible. If my child found himself in a foreign country I would hope that authorities would return them to their homeland and their families.
I also feel that in the case of Mexico who is complicit with this invasion of the U.S. from the South that we should make them pay the costs of illegal aliens and not unfairly burden American tax payers with that expense.
"The only humane thing to do is return them to their home country and their families as quickly as possible." Like Elian Gonzalez was?
Yeah! Why not? Cuba is his home. Should we invade Cuba and bring all the children and their parents here? Should we invade Mexico and bring all the Mexicans here? Ditto for all the other Central and South American countries. Our federal government has a primary responsibility to the citizens of this country not to citizens of other countries. I travel and when I fly/drive back home I'm happy to be home. I want all non-citizens to go home. Come and vacation. Rent a car and see America. Rent a motorhome and visit our national parks. Stay at a hotel in one of our big cities and see the sights. Then go home, thank you, hope you enjoyed your stay, come again.
"Should Chinatowns stay Chinese"
Of course not, that would be racist. One thing I have learned from the left is that we need to be more tolerant to other cultures and others views. I think that integrating Chinatown is not only a good idea but the ACLU should sue to make it mandatory. For their past sins of racism I think that the Chinese living in Chinatowns should pay reparations.
Well that's a pretty racist comment. You sound like a privileged white man with your notion that you should be allowed to have an opinion on the matter. Whether or not Chinatowns stay Chinese is something only elderly handicapped lesbian people who identify as Chinese should be allowed to express an opinion on, and here you are with your mansplaining and whitesplaining, shoving your racist, sexist opinions on everybody else. No wonder everybody hates you.
Oh wait, I just realized Asians aren't on the protected-class list, they're even worse than white people with their work ethic and family values and trying to get ahead. Heck, Asians are darn near Jewish in terms of people you can feel free to talk bad about in whatever racist terms you want. Never mind. Just don't let me catch you trying to express an opinion on Chinese food, that'll add cultural appropriation to your list of sins.
Granted, the day is young, but I'm guessing that'll be my favorite comment of the day.
As for Asians, they're finally coming around to the benefits of Victim Status.
Go, Team Asia! Yippee!
But... but... but... isn't non-Chinese moving into Chinatown a form of cultural appropriation too?
Golly, this progressive ideology sure is complicated!
Man, the comments on that Nutella story are pretty brutal. Here Big Daddy is, he's tried explaining to you why you should do what he tells you to do for your own good, he's tried cajoling and threatening and bullying you into not eating stuff you shouldn't be eating and still you won't obey. He's just going to have to get out the belt and take that jar of Nutella out of your fat grubby paws if you don't do as you're told. You think Big Daddy likes punishing you for being a disobedient child? Well he doesn't, punishing you hurts him more than it hurts you, it pains him to have to use physical force on somebody to make them see that Big Daddy knows better than you what's in your best interests. It pains him that you don't see how wise and noble and compassionate he is in wanting what's best for you, even if he has to hurt you to get you to accept his wisdom and nobility and compassion.
But clearly, if you're going to persist in your efforts to eat Nutella even after Big Daddy has done all he could to discourage you from doing so, force must be used. And the fact that you can only be dissuaded from eating Nutella by force proves that you're not a mature adult capable of making your own decisions, if you were a mature adult capable of making your own decisions you wouldn't try eating the Nutella like Big Daddy said not to do. How difficult can this be to understand? Only irresponsible children want to be free to make their own choices, mature responsible adults want Big Daddy to make all their decisions for them.
Evergreen State College Follows University of Missouri Into Ruin.
It should have come as no surprise that enrollment would drop at the University of Missouri, a state that gave Hillary 37.9% of its vote. Apparently even in a state like Washington, which gave Trump 36.8% of its vote, there are consequences for progressive moonbattery on campus. I doubt that Evergreen State will have the drastic cuts in freshman enrollment that the University of Missouri - 35% over 2 years. I believe- has had. Evergreen State College faces $2.1M budget shortfall, cites enrollment drop, issues layoff notices.
In an Aug. 28 memo to the campus community titled “Enrollment and Budget Update,” officials report that fall 2017-18 registration is down about 5 percent, from 3,922 students to 3,713. But the problem is nearly all of the students they lost are nonresidents, who traditionally pay a much higher tuition to attend, officials explained in the memo, a copy of which was obtained by The College Fix.As that loss is for overall student enrollment, not just for the freshman class, Evergreen's drop is more comparable to Mizzou's drop- especially when you consider that Mizzou's drop is for two years.
NYT: Election Results.
And it couldn't happen to nicer people, because there just weren't enough nicer people to clamp down on them.
Mizzou news:October 2016. Enrollment declines at University of Missouri, but not as much as expected.
Enrollment on the Columbia campus for the 2016-2017 academic year is 33,266. That’s down 2,182 from last year, a 6.2 percent drop.A first year drop of 6.2% for Mizzou compared to a first year drop of 5% at Evergreen- pretty comparable. The out=of-state drop nullifies the prog-leaning in Washington state- better said the prog-leaning in the Seattle area.
Enrollment is the lowest it’s been since 2010.
In addition, the 2016 freshman class of 4,772 students is down 22.9 percent from a year ago.
Mizzou news: May 2017.University of Missouri enrollment to decline more than 7 percent; 400 jobs to be eliminated.
For the school year that ended last week, enrollment at MU was 33,266, down 6.1 percent from the previous year’s record. If Stokes’ projection of a 7.4 percent decline is accurate, enrollment in the fall will be about 30,800, the lowest in nine years.For Mizzou, that is a 13% decline in two years. I would expect a similar trend for Evergreen next year. Giving into progressive moonbattery- the gift that keeps on giving in college enrollment.
Re: Evergreen State
What difference does it make if there is a decline in enrollment?
1.The market niche which this college was designed to serve is clearly below the "average" mentality.
2. EVERY employer in WA state knows enough about the school not to knowingly employ someone who has completed a program at Evergreen.
3. It already receives more tax money per student than any other college in the state !
4. It has always been staffed by "needy" and "deserving" democrat party obedients (is there a better word?)-- not staffed according to merit.
iIconic Sperry Grade Chalet burned.
One often wonders--about unionized wild land firefighters.