Maggie's Farm

Zach, the "globalists" want world control to tax carbon, and for world control. The scare tactic is that the seas will rise, there will be hurricanes, polar bear cubs will be unhappy, penguins will die, plants will choke on CO2, we will choke on cow farts, and algore's investment in carbon credit sales won't prosper. Something must be done before the next mini-ice age (starting now, because of declining cyclic sun activity in this cycle) makes the global warming scare tactics impossible.

I've earlier made a proposal which you have not addressed. Cool the earth by terraforming the deserts to make cooler, valuable-paradis,e real estate/agricultural land. Use gravity to put water in the deserts to lower the oceans. Be constructive, rather than destructively concentrating facsist world government control.

Here's what I asked you about before:
"The global warming scientists like Al “massage parlor” Gore claim that unless they are given 13 trillion dollars, global government control, and the shutdown of automobiles, cowfarts, oil, homeheating and breathing out our own CO2, the polar caps will melt to kill the cute polar bears, the seas will rise to the base of Mt. Everest and palm trees will grow in Antartica to displace the cute penguins .

Here’s an alternative. There is a vast depression well below sea level in Northern Africa. A century ago it ws proposed to divert part of the Nile flooding to this depression to create a vast lake and oasis. More recently, running Mediteranean salt water into this depression was proposed for hydroelectric power. Either way, the temperature of this region would be greatly reduced, atmospheric water increased to induce rain, and the area would be restored to lush greenery as it was in the past. The Sahara would return to a tropical paradise. Valuable realestate created for the political crooks. A mideast with something to do other than pump oil and migrate elsewhere. The sea level would go down. No fascist world government needed. Al “I’ll make billions in my carbon trade business” Gore won’t get his billions. We won't have to spend any more money funding "Climate Scientists".

Periodically (on a scale of tens of thousands of years) the monsoons from the indian ocean make it to the Sahara. This capability would be induced by a "Great Lake” and surrounding greenery. Viola, problem solved!!

Similarly, Australia is a vast desert. The Western mountains block rain to the middle, which is too hot without greenery to induce rain from what moisture does get past. Pumping water across the mountains to the interior would also induce greenery, cooling, more rain, and “climate change” for the vast continent of Australia, which would cool the earth. Problem solved.

Large amounts of water are routinely transported large distances (eg, California). Projects possible a century ago can more easily be done now."

Zach, here is some info to help your response.
Why not do something positive and "constructive", rather than destructive fascist bullying based on phony global warming propaganda?

http://www.bbc.com/earth/story/20150223-arabia-was-once-a-lush-paradise

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-26841410

Sahara Desert Was Once Lush and Populated
http://www.livescience.com/4180-sahara-desert-lush-populated.html

The lost forests of the Middle East
http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2015/09/lost-forests-middle-east-environment-lebanon-rubbish-150902115715642.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qattara_Depression

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qattara_Depression_Project

Zach, so you punted. You've got nothing but propaganda.

Get one of your "climate scientist" buddies to run it through one of their many models (which each come out differently, depending on whim, and who pays them).

The calculations have been done, starting over a century ago. Plans date back to 1912. President Eisenhower considered such projects as a way to achieve peace in the Middle East. Flooding the depression would be "spectacular and peaceful", it would cool the outrageously hot climate, and it would "provide work during construction and living areas after completion for the Palistinean Arabs. What part don't you like, Zach? A beautiful paradise? Mideast peace? Climate cooling?

You argue that the effects of major local cooling in the hottest places on earth don't affect the earth? Returning monsoons to the Sahara for lush, cool greenery and prosperity doesn't excite you? - apparently only global government power to tax gasoline and other carbon products needed for civilization will satisfy your blood lust for fascist domination of the world?

You argue the cooling great lake paradise would only be local. So, by your twisted logic, your alleged warming of the arctic will only be local. So, no problem.

Your credibility is zero. But Bird Dog sure knows how to attract you for entertainment of his followers, like a fly to to a bug zapper (or horse poop).

Zach, you are a jerk. I told you it has already been calculated, starting a century ago. Read the links I gave you. Including evaporation rates (which enhance rainfall). Freshwater flowing down from the Nile is better than saltwater from the Mediterranean. Plus Australian desert converted to useful, cooler land. Lower sea level. Sahara retreating to greenery. But you prefer fascist world government to criminalize cow farts, home heating, automobiles etc, because you claim it is cheaper than making a green paradise from deserts, mideast peace, and global cooling.

The "desert-to-oasis" approach is useful if there is no man-made "global warming". In fact, we are heading into a new cooling period of reduced solar output. Your solution to address the fake "global warming" meme is to "cheaply" criminalize and tax cow farts and home heating, automobiles, etc. Presto, make a law and create a global government to enforce it, and algore traders to profit from your world police state. But who wants to live under your hitler/soros fascist world government run by the crooked UN climate and human rights commissions? (you would not fare well either, whoever you are).

Lets have some of your corrupt "climate scientists" plug these ocean-lowering, desert-greening, climate-cooling solutions into their crooked "climate models" ?

Zach, so you now admit a sea level drop, and just for one small desert depression!! Add in Sahara monsoons and filling of ancient Sahara lakes, and greening the Australian desert, and we've got some major sealevel drop!! And even a small amount of cooling will increase the Arctic and Antarctic ice mass, by your own admission. More sea level drop. Maybe we would need your fascist world government to protect us from global cooling and global sealevel drop, endangering the California salmon?

Do you know why the country of Greenland is called "Greenland"? Towns and relics are just now being uncovered from in "Greenland", from a time not long ago when the world was warmer than it is now.

A new mini-ice age is starting, like the Maunder minimum which killed many people, due to cyclic lower sun output. Greenland will get more ice, reburying the towns that were built when it was warmer than it is now.

The sun is cool and clear of energetic sunspots today. Check it out. Long, extended periods of cool, clear sun surface are projected for decades coming up. We are going to need to heat the planet in order to prevent freezing deaths !! Do you remember when your "climate scientists" were screaming about the coming ice age? Give them money, and hey would prevent the upcoming ice age !!! Well, they were right. Global cooling is coming.

Zach, even assuming that your "climate scientist" is correct (which is highly doubtful), your natura,l subdued-sun caused negative temperature effect is good according to your scaremongering, isn't it?' Except for the "climate scientists" who tried scaremongering about an upcoming ice age.

In general, warming is good, though. Better than freezing to death, as humans have done many times in the past. Maybe cooling and greening of the deserts is a bad idea, if it gets too cold in the rest of the world.

Zach, "projected" by the crooked "climate scientists" who "projected" a deadly, devastating ice age just a few years ago? Projected by intellectually crooked "climate scientists" who will "project" anything to get themselves funding grants? If we paid any attention to those "climate scientists", we would have burned all the coal we could, and would have burned the furniture, too. You can make a computer model do anything you want. But even a hypothetical honest "climate scientist" still can't even tell us with certainty if it will rain in 2 weeks. Here's a wager: I'll bet that if the funding agencies want "projections" of global cooling (the opposite of the obama administratiion), there will be "climate scientists" who will project global cooling.

Zach, "projected" by the crooked "climate scientists" who "projected" a deadly, devastating ice age just a few years ago? Projected by intellectually crooked "climate scientists" who will "project" anything to get themselves funding grants? If we paid any attention to those "climate scientists", we would have burned all the coal we could, and would have burned the furniture, too. You can make a computer model do anything you want. But even a hypothetical honest "climate scientist" still can't even tell us with certainty if it will rain in 2 weeks. Here's a wager: I'll bet that if the funding agencies want "projections" of global cooling (the opposite of the obama administration), there will be "climate scientists" who will project global cooling.

Zach, again, why is Greenland, now a ball of ice, called "Greenland" if the earth is now in a heatwave crisis, as you claim? (you may be too young as a new troll, to remember the coming global ice age crisis claimed in horror by your "climate scientists" clamoring for government grants).

The Sahara has periodic wet, cooler monsoon climates. Archeological finds are in currently dried-up lakes for crying-out-loud, which are cyclically, periodically flooded over time. As recently as 10,000 years ago, monsoon rains over the vast (over 3 MILLION square miles) Sahara desert transformed the entire region into habitable cooler land. Human deforestation in Spain and northern Africa caused much desertification. That can be reversed. The ancient Egyptians built the Pyramids. The modern Egyptians built the Aswan hydrocomplex. The Chinese built the gigantic Three Gorges dam, and Brazil built the massive Itaipu dam. But you want to build a fascist gestapo world government.

CO2 is good for plants. Including those that can grow in the Sahara. Your "forcing" BS is simply wrong. Simple water vapor and clouds which have been around for millions of years, interact with sunlight much more than CO2, whether natural or manmade. Fluorocarbons, which have been eliminated, absorb much more infrared light. Even the craziest "climate scientists" are aware that ther is no "global warming" since fluorocarbons were banned about 20 years ago. Look at an Infrared spectroscopy chart, why doncha? Compare CO2 to H20. Compare their concentrations in the atmosphere. Look up Beers law.

Birddog, we viewers don't get paid like this zach troll. The "clicks" you get in the comments aren't positive for your site. I only check your site out periodically, rather than regularly, since it became infested.

Zach, I'll help you. Its called "Greenland" because it was "green" with plants, not glacier ice, when it was warmer centuries ago than it is now. Maybe if it gets warm enough, it can be Greenland again.

The 3 to 4 million square mile area of the Sahara desert was lush green with lakes up to about 5,000 BC. Those conditions can be recreated. Your beloved "crazy scientists" can model it, if they are able to predict the weather a century from now !!!).