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West Virginia Rescinds Ban On Classroom Cupcakes

Sanity returns. Very few things are as happy and sane as a cupcake.

Irish-Americans Still Do Irish-American Jobs

A Degree From This South Dakota Technical College All But Guarantees You A Job…

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Death of the Shoe Salesman

'We Dine Together' Wants to Make Sure No High Schooler Ever Has to Eat Lunch Alone

Freedom Is Eating Steak Well Done with Ketchup

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Sheesh, those crazy college kids

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I always thought Meals on Wheels was a local volunteer deal

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The president’s budget is very much alive on arrival.

Donald Trump's sharp budget ax: Now the swamp fights back

Turkey's Made-to-Order Migrant Plan to Retake Europe

UK: Take off for police drones air force: Remote-controlled 'flying squad' to chase criminals and hunt for missing people

They read 1984

Is Denmark On The Brink?

Yes, Indeed, Israel IS an Apartheid State

30 Countries Are Refusing To Take Back Illegal Immigrants Convicted Of Serious Crimes

WITH MERKEL’S VISIT, TRUMP WINS AGAIN

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Americans of Irish descent have strong ethnic pride, they know they're Irish, but it doesn't keep them from being 100% American.

#1 LP on 2017-03-20 07:37 (Reply)

As with other immigrant groups. Americans immigrants retain pride in their ethnic heritage and aspects of their original culture, while adopting an American identity, all the while causing changes to that American identity.

Interesting to note that more than a century after the vast Irish migration to America, spurred on by the Great Irish Potato Famine, Catholicism was still a major political issue in the United States. «Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose»

#1.1 Zachriel on 2017-03-20 11:17 (Reply)

And Catholicism was an issue...why? Are we to assume there wasn't a lot of 'ism' being thrown around by both camps. Northern Ireland was a war zone for decades and some of the vitriol that Irish priests put out there was unprintable, but it did indeed come from both sides. Let's not come to the court of public opinion with dirty hands and claim discrimination and victimhood.

#1.1.1 OneGuy on 2017-03-20 11:39 (Reply)

OneGuy: And Catholicism was an issue...why?

Because the claim was that 'Papists' were in thrall to a foreign prince, and were a vanguard that would undermine American culture. And they made a lot of babies.

#1.1.1.1 Zachriel on 2017-03-20 12:35 (Reply)

I think you missed the point. It was not "what were the complaints that some people had with Catholics?" It was why was there discord and what was the cause on both (all) sides of the issue. This didn't happen in a vacuum. It goes back centuries and a lot/most of it is based on real issues. I doubt that you are prepared to respond but no matter, it was a comment and not a question.

#1.1.1.1.1 OneGuy on 2017-03-20 16:31 (Reply)

OneGuy: It was why was there discord

It's very similar to the immigrant experience of many other ethnic groups coming to America with their alien ways, taking jobs, making too many babies, voting against the establishment. Nothing new.

#1.1.1.1.1.1 Zachriel on 2017-03-20 17:44 (Reply)

Not as simple as that. They brought these troubles with them. They go back centuries before they immigrated here. It had nothing to do with babies and alien ways. The people you are talking about had similar cultures and backgrounds. They were more like neighbors than aliens, they just didn't get along because they brought their 'baggage' with them to the new world.

#1.1.1.1.1.1.1 OneGuy on 2017-03-20 19:11 (Reply)

All one has to do to understand the Irish and the conflicts between the protestants and the Catholics is either go to Ireland and listen and learn about their history, or study it in books at home. I learned a lot from visiting Ireland and then following up when getting back home. It is very easy to understand why so many Irish still hate the English.

#1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1 JC on 2017-03-20 22:33 (Reply)

"It is very easy to understand why so many Irish still hate the English."

Absolutely BUT it is also very easy to understand the why the English feel the same.

#1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1 OneGuy on 2017-03-21 09:58 (Reply)

OneGuy: They brought these troubles with them.

So did the Protestants, who brought their anti-Catholicism with them.

OneGuy: It had nothing to do with babies and alien ways.

Of course it did. During the period in question, from the mid-19th to mid-20th century, it took the form of nativism. Catholics were seen as enemies of republican government, and as a demographic threat. It led to anti-Catholic riots, church-burnings, and murder. Irish Catholics, in particular, were accused of spreading a culture of violence.

The American River Ganges

#1.1.1.1.1.1.1.2 Zachriel on 2017-03-21 09:40 (Reply)

"So did the Protestants, who brought their anti-Catholicism with them."

Absolutely! That is what I mean when I say "they". Both sides in this brought their biases with them to the new world and continued the fight.

"It led to anti-Catholic riots, church-burnings, and murder. Irish Catholics, in particular, were accused of spreading a culture of violence. "

Very few churches were burned and certainly the nuts who committed those crimes is hardly a reason to blame an entire demographic for that crime. There was violence and criminal acts on both sides for you to take only one side and ignore the existence of the other side is naive or biased. You have, however stumbled upon a legitimate point that is relevant today. That is allowing a climate of hate by any group can and does incite criminal and violent acts by unstable people. We see a great example of that today with the BLM movement that incite violence against whites and the police. The BLM may well be single handedly responsible for 20 or more murders of policemen in 2016. They are still promulgating their racism and hate today. I would hope you are as outraged about this as you are about the events concerning violence 150 years ago

#1.1.1.1.1.1.1.2.1 OneGuy on 2017-03-21 10:18 (Reply)

OneGuy: Both sides in this brought their biases with them to the new world and continued the fight.

Which brings us back to the original point.

More than a century after the vast Irish migration to America, spurred on by the Great Irish Potato Famine, Catholicism was still a major political issue in the United States. The claim was that 'Papists' were in thrall to a foreign prince, and were a vanguard that would undermine American culture. And they made a lot of babies.

«Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose»

#1.1.1.1.1.1.1.2.1.1 Zachriel on 2017-03-21 10:42 (Reply)

"Catholicism was still a major political issue in the United States."

As was protestantism and each and every variation of religion and as was too the anti-religion sect. That is the nature of religion. What you can't get past is your inane belief that all the hate was only directed towards Irish immigrants and/or catholic Irish immigrants. The hate went both ways and for some people it went deep (the Kennedys) but the majority never cared much about it. What you are doing is tainting the history of the 95% of the people who didn't care and painting them with that broad brush of hate that really only applied to less than 5%. Just as today not all blacks and liberals believe in the hate that BLM puts out there but there is a solid 5%-25% who do.

#1.1.1.1.1.1.1.2.1.1.1 OneGuy on 2017-03-21 16:12 (Reply)

OneGuy: As was protestantism and each and every variation of religion and as was too the anti-religion sect.

White Anglo-Saxon Protestantism was predominant culturally, and controlled most of the organs of power in the United States. Organizations with significant political power opposed Catholic immigration, Irish immigration, and John Kennedy's presidential campaign because he was a Catholic.

#1.1.1.1.1.1.1.2.1.1.1.1 Zachriel on 2017-03-21 18:00 (Reply)

I remember that election very well and Indeed there was some, not much issue with his possible allegiance to the pope/church. Not anywhere near what you claim it was. Kennedy publicly stated that he was not going to put his religion or the pope ahead of his presidency. That's about it. Not nearly the big deal that we saw from the Democrats about Trump.

I do understand why anyone who supported a candidate would be unhappy with any criticism of their candidate. I do believe the constitution gives all Americans the right to speak publicly about political issues.

#1.1.1.1.1.1.1.2.1.1.1.1.1 OneGuy on 2017-03-21 19:42 (Reply)

OneGuy: I remember that election very well and Indeed there was some, not much issue with his possible allegiance to the pope/church.

We've provided you citations. We can't make you read them.

#1.1.1.1.1.1.1.2.1.1.1.1.1.1 Zachriel on 2017-03-22 09:38 (Reply)

OneGuy: I have no doubt that Irish Catholics were discriminated against just as I have no doubt that Irish protestants and English were discriminated against.

White Anglo-Saxon Protestants were the predominant ethnic group, so had inordinate power to discriminate.

#1.1.1.1.1.1.1.2.1.1.1.1.1.1.1 Zachriel on 2017-03-22 09:39 (Reply)

"White Anglo-Saxon Protestants were the predominant ethnic group, so had inordinate power to discriminate."

What a weak claim. So it has come down to this. In your opinion any minority group can discriminate and even assault the majority group and no harm no foul. What a stupid position to take.

So when the IRA was killing people and bombing pubs that was OK with you and had nothing at all to do with the "majority" being unhappy about their actions. Just ignore all the crimes and discrimination by one side and focus like a laser beam on the actions of a few on the other side. Let me guess, you must be a Democrat.

#1.1.1.1.1.1.1.2.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1 OneGuy on 2017-03-22 09:51 (Reply)

OneGuy: In your opinion any minority group can discriminate and even assault the majority group and no harm no foul.

Not sure with what you are taking issue. Let's look at our claim again.

Z: Americans immigrants retain pride in their ethnic heritage and aspects of their original culture, while adopting an American identity, all the while causing changes to that American identity. True.

Z: More than a century after the vast Irish migration to America, spurred on by the Great Irish Potato Famine, Catholicism was still a major political issue in the United States. True.

Z: The claim was that 'Papists' were in thrall to a foreign prince, and were a vanguard that would undermine American culture. True.

Z: And they made a lot of babies meaning they represented a feared demographic threat. True.

Z: «Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.» True.

OneGuy: So when the IRA was killing people and bombing pubs

Anti-Catholicism and anti-Irish sentiments in the U.S. long predate the IRA by generations. By the way, you do realize that over a million Irish died of starvation and disease under British rule during the Great Famine?

#1.1.1.1.1.1.1.2.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1 Zachriel on 2017-03-22 12:38 (Reply)

http://www.catholicleague.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/nast-anticatholic.jpg

#1.1.1.1.2 Jim on 2017-03-20 19:17 (Reply)

speak for yourself, asshat.

I have no particular love for the culture and country I came from. I am American first and last, and despise hyphenated american bullshitters like yourself equally with nativist know-nothing bigots like GoneWindy.

#1.1.2 Vic Morrow's tommy gun on 2017-03-20 11:56 (Reply)

Nativist: 1.the policy of protecting the interests of native-born or established inhabitants against those of immigrants:
2. a return to or emphasis on traditional or local customs, in opposition to outside influences.

By golly I think you are correct. I am proudly a nativist. I am American first and last (gee, just like you). I am opposed to immigration. I don't think we are doing a good enough job taking care of our own people and I think the huge tax burden of immigrants is unfairly borne by the middle class. I also believe that the massive immigration since about 1965 when Ted Kennedy and his fellow Democrats opened the flood gate has hurt this country and the middle class. I think it is time for a complete moratorium on all immigration at least until everyone here already has assimilated and is no longer being supported by middle class taxpayers.

#1.1.2.1 GoneWithTheWind on 2017-03-20 16:40 (Reply)

The difference is that back then immigrants arrived here legally, and they worked hard and contributed.

Today too many immigrants are arriving illegally, or as refugees placed in public housing in depressed areas where there isn't much work to be had, they're given long term welfare, and then what? Nobody's creating jobs. It just seems as though it's not going to work out well. I've been seeing this for the past 20 or 30 years in our city.

#1.1.2.1.1 LP on 2017-03-20 17:26 (Reply)

you're a bigot and a disgrace as an American.

look up "know nothing party" if you need details, bigot.

#1.1.2.1.2 Vic Morrow's tommy gun on 2017-03-20 17:46 (Reply)

That's all you got? Name calling. Look in the mirror for the bigot. What's next? I'm a Fascist, or Hitler???

#1.1.2.1.2.1 GoneWithTheWind on 2017-03-20 19:16 (Reply)

you're just an ordinary bigot, a little dumber than most. don't get delusions of grandeur.

#1.1.2.1.2.1.1 Vic Morrow's tommy gun on 2017-03-20 20:10 (Reply)

Ahh! Damning with faint praise. But you sir rise well above that and are supreme among bigots and name callers.

#1.1.2.1.2.1.1.1 GoneWithTheWind on 2017-03-21 10:21 (Reply)

I didn't know that Catholicism was a major political issue. I know that when Kennedy became President it surprised a lot of people because Catholics had been looked down on.

But there were so many Catholics in America besides the Irish, Italians, Austrians, Spanish, Polish, etc. etc.

#1.1.3 LP on 2017-03-20 17:13 (Reply)

LP: I didn't know that Catholicism was a major political issue.

It was enough of an issue that Kennedy had to directly confront the issue, more than a hundred years after his great-grandfather, Patrick, had immigrated from Ireland.

Anti-Catholic prejudice was still very much in the mainstream of American life when JFK decided to seek the presidency in 1960: a group of 150 Protestant ministers met in Washington and declared that Kennedy could not remain independent of Church control unless he specifically repudiated its teachings.

#1.1.3.1 Zachriel on 2017-03-20 17:39 (Reply)

Kennedy embraced the issue and blew it up out of proportion for the attention and sympathy. It was a great political move and may have been the key to getting him elected. Well that and the ballot box stuffing.

#1.1.3.1.1 OneGuy on 2017-03-20 19:14 (Reply)

I remember similar issues coming up with Mitt Romney.

#1.1.3.1.2 Jim on 2017-03-20 21:57 (Reply)

OneGuy: Kennedy embraced the issue and blew it up out of proportion for the attention and sympathy.

In fact, Kennedy was politically disadvantaged by his Catholicism.

"Nonetheless, the religion issue did not die. It came to a head in September 1960 with the founding of the National Conference of Citizens for Religious Freedom, an organization of prominent Protestant clergymen. The group’s public statement, read by the well-known clergyman Norman Vincent Peale, claimed that Kennedy’s religion made him unacceptable for the presidency."

OneGuy: I remember similar issues coming up with Mitt Romney.

Sure. It's an analogous situation. Even though the U.S. is generally more tolerant today than in the 1960s, many evangelicals were suspicious of Romney's religion.

#1.1.3.1.3 Zachriel on 2017-03-21 09:46 (Reply)

Corrected attribution

Jim: I remember similar issues coming up with Mitt Romney.

#1.1.3.1.3.1 Zachriel on 2017-03-21 09:48 (Reply)

Kennedy (JFK) and all of the Kennedy's contributed money and arms to the "war" in Ireland. They were no simply some indigent immigrants being mistreated in their new lands. They actively wehn out of their way to seek trouble with protestants both here and in Ireland. If you were to quote some of the worst comments by Ted and Joe Kennedy right here on MF I suspect you would be censored. They do not have clean hands and haven't had clean hands in their entire lives.
The Kennedy fortune was made by smuggling booze into America. They were no different than the Mafia in their early years and only different from the mafia later on in that they didn't go to jail. You have picked the wrong family to hang your hhat on as being so disadvantaged by their heritage and becoming Americans.

#1.1.3.1.3.2 OneGuy on 2017-03-21 10:28 (Reply)

OneGuy: Kennedy (JFK) and all of the Kennedy's contributed money and arms to the "war" in Ireland.

Notably, you changed the subject.

#1.1.3.1.3.2.1 Zachriel on 2017-03-21 10:47 (Reply)

"you changed the subject."

If you think that the fact that the Kennedys paid for weapons and bombs for the IRA to commit their crimes, murders and assassinations have nothing to do with the hate that involves the Irish and the Catholics and the equal feeling from the other side then you know nothing!!!

If you don't understand that the Kennedy fortune was made selling illegal smuggled whiskey then you don't understand how deep the Kennedy's were in crime.

#1.1.3.1.3.2.1.1 OneGuy on 2017-03-21 16:20 (Reply)

OneGuy: If you think that the fact that the Kennedys paid for weapons and bombs for the IRA to commit their crimes, murders and assassinations have nothing to do with the hate that involves the Irish and the Catholics and the equal feeling from the other side then you know nothing!!!

It wasn't anti-Kennedyism, but anti-Catholicism, which was endemic in the American right.

#1.1.3.1.3.2.1.1.1 Zachriel on 2017-03-21 18:02 (Reply)

Kennedy is a good example of how the claimed discrimination gets conflated with actual criminal and anti-social acts of those who hide behind those claims. I have no doubt that Irish Catholics were discriminated against just as I have no doubt that Irish protestants and English were discriminated against. While it is from history entangled in religion the outcome today would be no different if either or both of the parties in this had totally different religions. There were legitimate wrongs done and legitimate complaints over some millennia but in my humble opinion both parties had a bigger gripe with the Romans. It is a shame that two groups of people who are so closely related by birth and history should be at each others throats for things that mostly happened decades and centuries ago. Give it a break.

#1.1.3.1.3.2.1.1.1.1 OneGuy on 2017-03-21 19:59 (Reply)

Ref: Eating alone

I really prefer to eat alone, and read. when in the company cafeteria, I try to find an obscure spot before some well meaning co workers decide to join me (sometimes they find me and I have to chit chat to avoid being rude).

Some of us don't want to be rescued.

#2 jay on 2017-03-20 09:16 (Reply)

In my high school (mid-40s, 800± students), we had a lot of lunch room tables seating about six students each. The students could arrange them any way they wanted, rotate around among them as they liked, and if there were any teachers present, I never saw them. Never any foul talk, noise making, rowdiness, horse play etc. that I can recall. Never heard of a girl getting pregnant (in or out of the lunch room). About half ate the fare and about half were brown baggers. I was in the second half. Life was dull and boring back then.

#2.1 BillH on 2017-03-20 10:08 (Reply)

Agree. I would have hated to be dragooned into eating with some stranger.

#2.2 Pbird on 2017-03-20 13:04 (Reply)

Re: Meals on Wheels hysteria

Yawn... more fake news.

#3 mudbug on 2017-03-20 09:45 (Reply)

RE: the budget. We need a grown-up rising to reality. The Federal government was never meant to solve all the daily problems of the average citizen. Something is obscene about all our Congresscritters whining about their favorite pork project that, if it is truly important, should be handled at the state or local level to best solve The Problem without washing it through the D.C. cabals where little pieces of the pie are carved away to feed the piggy banks…and I mean PIGGY!

Let's hope President Trump holds his own and gives us the ability to restart our economy based on 1+1=2, vs. the prattle of think tanks and economists.

#4 jma on 2017-03-20 11:03 (Reply)

There is another good one in South Dakota--the South Dakota School of Mines and Technology in Rapid City. Not easy but worth the effort; check out the job placement numbers for Engineering and Science graduates. I admit to some prejudice...I went there for Grad School, and yes, I landed a job.

#5 rocdoctom on 2017-03-20 11:31 (Reply)

Well done with catsup? There's no accounting for taste. Most of us eat our favorite dishes prepared in exactly the same way as we liked them as kids.

All I know is, I'd feel better cooking a steak to order for President T than I'd feel having him cook one for me (Pittsburgh-style, with butter, mushrooms, and onions).

#6 Mike Anderson (Link) on 2017-03-20 11:37 (Reply)

Actually, President Trump ordering a well done steak proves to me that he is not one who is easily bent to the will of others. Why? Because nowadays you are excoriated in the 'elite' circles for eating meat that is anything but rare. Be it steak, tuna, or lamb.

I HATE rare anything. Give me a well-done steak, if I have to eat steak. I like it that way. Who cares what the 'elite' think? Why do these people get to dictate to me about the appropriate way to eat my own food?

So, I love that Trump eats his steak this way. To me, it signals his pure resistance to going along with the crowd to 'fit in' and proves that he will fight for what is right, rather than be swayed by the MSM and the left.

#6.1 MissT on 2017-03-20 15:01 (Reply)

Good. In my high school, we had randomly-assigned tables rotating every 6 weeks, with a teacher at each table. That was good, civilized, and over time everybody met a lot of people that they might have never spoken with.

Yay for elite private boarding schools. Things were different for those of us who went to very modest public schools.

#7 Warren Turner on 2017-03-20 15:32 (Reply)

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