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Thursday, February 9. 2017
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"And last week researchers from the University of Calgary calculated that when euthanasia reaches the level of Belgium and the Netherlands, the country’s health system could save up to up to C$139 million every year..."
To those researchers I say, "Set a good example for other Canadians like me: you go first to show us how it's done."
You are no longer useful to the state, you must be eliminated. Gosh, where have we heard that before?
that's a good question. which american politician has said, "You are no longer useful to the state, you must be eliminated."
in what tax code does the legislative intent or purpose state anything like, "From the standpoint of the State, if you are not producing tax dollars on their tax farm then you are a liability and a burden."
and I mean, "said", I don't mean someone else's projections.
the worst thing we true conservatives do is to set up and knock down strawmen. if you don't understand what the abortionists and what these murderers are promoting, you will never defeat them.
To tell the truth, I don't know of an American politician who uttered those exact words. My thought when writing that was of the communist in Russia, China, perhaps Cuba. And of course Hitler. They may not have said those exact words, but that was their motive: eliminate those that the state deems worthless, or undesirable.
Margaret Sanger was partially motivated with abortion, to eliminate the undesirable people of color. Abortion is used to eliminate the undesirable children. It debases our humanity. And that is a real problem. We are better than animals.
I believe its time for widespread use is coming, perhaps in 15 years as large numbers of baby boomers begin overwhelming the elderly care system.
It won't be just for the terminally ill.
I would speculate that at first it will used on the penniless and friendless who have lost their minds. Put 'em to sleep and write it up as a heart attack.
Then it will be the same demographic who may still have their wits but require 24 hour care.
Once these hurdles have been cleared heirs may have their dependent/incompetent parents put down so their inheritance might be preserved.
Who knows where it may go from there?
As for euthanizing the terminally ill, if Government wasn't so greedy they could incentivize it. Suppose it was going to cost $500, 000 to care for a terminally patient to the end. If a patient signed off on euthanasia, give half of the projected expenses to the heirs. The State keeps the other half. Not everyone would do it but many might.
It's all very ominous. As JR Ewing said, "Once you get past the ethics, the rest is easy."
Once you decide to put humans down like animals where does it end?
OTOH, as a nation, how much can we spend on medical care before the breaking point is reached and what then?
It's all too complex for my feeble mind to comprehend.
They already did all that in the UK, complete with incentives for hospital staff. Read up on the 'Liverpool Protocol' and prepare to be appalled.
welcome to the Funny Farm, the forum of those time travelers who stepped on butterflies back in the Cretaceous.
"Save" the government millions. Then what do they do with those millions?
I know how we can save millions without killing anyone......get rid of Justin Trudeau.
Save billions in social security security costs too. It's suicidal to have the same ebankrupt entity cover your pension and your medical costs
This is the problem with any socialized healthcare scheme. We see it here in the VA. We have seen it in Canada, England and even in France. It is the inevitable result of putting a bureaucracy in charge of health care and giving them the final say on how the money will be spent. Does it really surprise anyone?
There is euthanasia and then there is the more insidious death panels who simply decide that because of your age, health or personal habits healthcare funds will not be spent on you. A family member who was a Canadian citizen was told that without a quadruple bypass he had two years to live. But that the Canadian healthcare system would not spend tens of thousands of dollars on an 82 year old man. He made a decision to not spend his children's inheritance to drive over the border to Chicago and get the bypass within a week of being seen. Instead his pride and stubbornness won out and within two years he passed. Was he right to do this? I don't know it was his decision to make. Was the government right to refuse him treatment??
This will come here to the US when the millennials take over. There will be "bonuses" for "early checkout and departure" for "volunteers". Brave New World, my ass.
kids will grow up once they have to get a job, pay rent/mortgage and raise a family which happens to everyone. I can't see any reason to take these 19 year old children seriously.
If they will spread the savings among my grandchildren tax-free, they can have me now. But, I want an ironclad guarantee underwritten by a consortium of banks and insurance companies. Don't trust the government to keep it's word.
The trick is separating 'cost savings' from voluntary choice in dying.
I have seen such horrible endings for people, and consider the right to choose the circumstances of death to be a major component of 'life, liberty...'
Legalised euthenasia can be a godsend for the terminally ill BUT only if there are protections in place.
In the Netherlands (and I assume Belgium but I don't know their laws) it is only ever authorised if the patient requests it (not his doctors, not the government, not the family or the insurance company) AND a psychologist deems him to be mentally capable of making and comprehending the decision AND his physicians (and a panel of others) conclude that there is indeed "endless and unbearable suffering" (that's the literal definition as stated in the law).
That's not to say some hospitals try to trick or bully patients into euthenasia if there's no further glory to be had for them in keeping the patient, but that's the law.
My family has had to deal with both extremes.
When my mother was diagnosed with terminal cancer the hospital planned for her an appointment with a "terminal care specialist" who turned out (my dad became suspicious, not knowing the person and the appointment having been scheduled without asking or telling anyone in advance what it was about) to be a euthenasia advocate and specialist.
We canceled the appointment, after which the hospital effectively kicked my mother out, claiming "there's nothing more we can do for you" (which was technically true, but there was nowhere else for her to go either).
When my dad had a stroke and wanted to die otoh the specialists in the same hospital refused to perform the procedure claiming there was still a small but non-zero chance he'd make a full recovery (admitting to me and my sister that that chance was infinetisimally small, but their ethics did not allow them to help kill a patient).
The Netherlands may have those protections on paper, but a fair few people are euthanized there WITHOUT their consent. A recent case involved a woman with dementia who did not want to be killed. The doctor first tried to sedate the woman by putting something in her coffee and then, when the sedative was not sufficient, had family members hold the woman down while the lethal injection was made. No consent there.
So here's something screwy I noticed yesterday: The same primary drug used by the Europeans for euthanasia is the same drug outlawed by the Europeans for use for torture and death row executions: sodium thiopental, a.k.a. sodium pentothal. Truth serum drug.
Cannot (legally) be used for torture, cannot be sold by European manufacturers for torture or executions, no longer manufactured in the US. But OK for euthanasia over there. Go figure
If it weren't for double-standards, they'd have no standards
We have always been at peace with euthanasia.
The slogan is coming.
I suppose the idea of permitting private healthcare to function in Canada so those who do not wish to die can pay for their own healthcare is out of the question.
You never want to give others a financial interest in your death, which is exactly what publicly funded healthcare does.