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Saturday, January 21. 2017
They are overfed to grow like that
The Greatest Scientific Fraud Of All Time -- Part XII
Reporters flocked to a campus controversy but missed its surprising conclusion
Public School Is Often The Most Destructive Institution In American Life, Yet Democrats demand the status quo.
Obama dismissed those who disagree with him like a professor forced to deal with simple-minded, wayward students
Zero Hedge: It’s Finally Morning Again In America, And A New Day For Our Country Starts Now
A Plain and Powerful Inaugural Address - Trump’s vision is constitutional, not Wilsonian.
Media very interested today in pointing out that Obama’s inauguration crowds were bigger
David Brooks is unhappy with Trump
Secretary of the Army: A telling tale for these transformative times
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If David panties in a bunch Brooks is unhappy than I'm ecstatic.
David Brooks should have his fingers broken so he can't type and his lips sewn shut for all the garbage he spews around the country. Yes, that is kind of hateful but that's the way he makes me feel, he is no conservative or even moderate.
I don't get Brooks' problem. Doesn't Trump have a well-defined crease in his trousers?
Obama does indeed come across as a professor correcting students. I see it especially in pictures of him sitting on the desk "lecturing" whomever is in the room with him.
The article on the Secretary of the Army is my feel good article of the day. This is the kind of change I hope to see.
I'm not sure what to think, because there is so little detail. Violence in defense of someone can be a good thing, but in the vagueness of the article, it could sound like losing one's temper after the fact. Self control is something that an Army (or police) officer must always exhibit.
I'm gonna guess based on the story that the new Secretary of the Army is not a believer that woman should be in the army. He obviously doesn't think that they are up for it physically and require special handling. Just saying...
The Greatest Scientific Fraud Of All Time -- Part XII... the UAH satellite data had shown 2016 to be 0.02 deg C warmer than the previous record, which, although a new record, is within the measurement accuracy of the instruments
That's right. So let's look at the trend. Since UAH has been making observations:
UAHv5.6 TLT: 0.154 ±0.063 °C/decade
Notice that the margin of error is small compared to the size of the trend. The surface records over the same period show a very similar trend:
NOAA: 0.162 ±0.033 °C/decade
GISTemp: 0.172 ±0.037 °C/decade
So while the Menton may wail about how the surface records have been adjusted, they comport with satellite records over the same period. When completely different methodologies yield the same result, it lends confidence to the conclusion.
You are using data points that are just wrong. Not wrongly interpreted, but just wrong. Your source material was either altered or corrupted, we're guessing intentionally.
There are ways of being wrong or deceitful, and you're hitting all of them.
Trump overpromising: I’d be surprised if he fully believes parts of what he said and concerned if he does.
Zero Hedge: But the good news is that Americans are feeling quite good about life overall these days.
Which is contrary to the "Carnage Speech" Trump delivered at his inauguration. While the U.S. certainly has its share of problems, it has seen steady GDP and job growth for seven years.
In his inaugural address, Trump will plead for national unity, and that is a good thing because our nation is deeply divided right now.
Hardly. The central theme of Trump's speech was resentment. He defined two American tribes in inevitable conflict, and invoked the term "America First", which is linked to anti-Semitic, isolationists from America's past.
Think of the nations of the world as people in a room. There is France, who has stood with America from the beginning. And there, another loyal companion, Britannia. And some who were once enemies, now friends, such as Japan and Germany. Many admire America, and emulate its dress and manners. There are also adversaries in the room, but who find a way to compete without violence. There are some who always seem to complain, but if push came to shove, would rather be in the room with America and America's friends, than outside in the cold. There are a number of whom America is distrustful. There are a few who clearly have malicious intent. But America surrounds itself with its friends, and reaches out to its adversaries, and talks about common values, and how to make for a better world.
Then one day, the strongest and richest person in the room starts beating its chest, and muttering "What's in it for me?" then shouting "Me First! Me First! Me First!"
I don't understand this outrage that Trump should promote policy that is beneficial to the US as its main objective.
mudbug: I don't understand this outrage that Trump should promote policy that is beneficial to the US as its main objective.
Which is why we provided the analogy. America's long-term self-interest is bound up with its relationships to other nations. If U.S. policy devolves into merely the latest transactions, then long-term relationships, America's place in the world, and the spread of American ideals will suffer.
"Me first" is implied in every transaction. Are you suggesting that the US should continue to make "you first" deals?
mudbug: Are you suggesting that the US should continue to make "you first" deals?
We're suggesting that America's long-term interests are best served by building relationships built on trust and mutual benefit.
Who there grasshopper. You are simply naive about France and the rest of our "friends". Yes indeed they DO in their own country say "me first" and they DO use tricks dirty and illegal to push the U.S. around. and they DO use us as a dumping ground for their products when it suits them.
How many cruise ships are built in the U.S.??? What percentage of the staff on cruise ships are U.S. workers? Contrast that with the percentage of purchasers of cruise ship vacations and the ports that these ships frequent.
In every country that we try to punish for their treatment of their own people our American companies are restricted from doing business with them. Often these things are decided by votes in the UN with all our "friends" standing up with us. BUT when one of thee countries wants a construction project completed or a military asset built Holland, France, Germany and others jump in where American companies cannot.
What you are really seeing is, perhaps for the first time, is America acting like they aren't stupid!!!
IdahoBob: You are simply naive about France and the rest of our "friends". Yes indeed they DO in their own country say "me first" and they DO use tricks dirty and illegal to push the U.S. around. and they DO use us as a dumping ground for their products when it suits them.
There are wellsprings of goodwill among the people of the world. This goodwill is based on long-term relationships, trust built over generations. Besides, who else gives such cool kitsch
How many cruise ships are built in the U.S.???
So? The U.S. is the world's primary hegemon, and one of the world's biggest exporters.
Trade generates more wealth, not less. It can also cause social disruption, so if you want the increased wealth that comes with trade, you also have to invest in education and infrastructure in order to compete in the global economy.
IdahoBob: Often these things are decided by votes in the UN with all our "friends" standing up with us. BUT when one of thee countries wants a construction project completed or a military asset built Holland, France, Germany and others jump in where American companies cannot.
Of course, corporations in other nations aggressively seek business (contrary to claims that they are sclerotic). However, Europe and other nations have been invaluable partners in isolating rogue regimes, such as with Iran and Russia. It does require negotiation, of course.
IdahoBob: What you are really seeing is, perhaps for the first time, is America acting like they aren't stupid!!!
"Me First! Me First! And you better do what I want!"
"Me First! Me First! And you better do what I want!"
Three words for you: "Oil for Food".
The world is littered with evidence of France, the rest of Europe, and everybody fucking else acting in their own best interests, so spare us your feigned shock that the U.S. might do likewise.
Jesus, the folks who worked you over with that retard/Polyanna stick took their job seriously.
Bill Carson: Three words for you: "Oil for Food".
The Iraqi oil-for-food program was fraught with corruption, but most of the illicit money was pocketed through sales in Jordan and Turkey, as monitored by the U.S., which looked the other way.
The Iraqi oil-for-food program was fraught with corruption
One man's "corruption" is another's "best interests" - way to catch up.
Bill Carson: One man's "corruption" is another's "best interests" - way to catch up.
No. It wasn't in the long-term best interest of any of those involved in the corruption.
No. It wasn't in the long-term best interest of any of those involved in the corruption.
Hand-waving - please provide evidence to support this assertion.
Bill Carson: Hand-waving -
That wouldn't be handwaving, but perhaps wrong.
Bill Carson: please provide evidence to support this assertion.
We were referring to the nations involved, not the persons, who may very well have profited considerably.
“The U.S. is… one of the world's biggest exporters.”
the world’s biggest exporter, must export more than we import. NOT TRUE and you know it. When you exclude exports of raw materials (which IMHO we should not export) and goods and services actually purchased and consumed within the U.S.) our actual exports of value added goods are not that great AND are taxed and tariffed by all our trading partners. And THAT is what we are supposed to accept as “free trade”.
“Europe and other nations have been invaluable partners in isolating rogue regimes”
You must have forgotten after 9/11 and we put Iraq on notice to rid themselves of WMDs that France, Germany and Russia delayed the UN action for months while each of these nations sought to erase the fact that THEY built the advanced facilities to create chemical and biological weapons in Iraq. These countries new quite well what Saddam was doing and they willingly built his labs for him.
“"Me First! Me First!”
YES! That is our government’s job. The U.S. citizens first !! This isn’t Sophie’s choice where you are choosing a death it is using our tax revenues and legislation to benefit our citizens and not giving away gifts under the table to foreign government and citizens for a quid pro quo. ALL of our trade agreements were written to benefit everyone but the citizens. Why do you think Pelosi and Reid are so rich???
IdahoBob: the world’s biggest exporter, must export more than we import.
U.S. exports total about $1.5 trillion per year.
IdahoBob: When you exclude exports of raw materials (which IMHO we should not export) and goods and services actually purchased and consumed within the U.S.) our actual exports of value added goods are not that great
The top U.S. exports are machinery, electronics, air and space craft, and vehicles.
IdahoBob: AND are taxed and tariffed by all our trading partners.
In fact, the U.S. is part of several different trading blocks that have much reduced tariffs. Of course, this puts stress on American workers, who have to compete against foreign workers. Competition is also driving automation, which also puts stress on workers. That means workers have to be better trained and more flexible, in order to compete in the modern economy. [/i]
IdahoBob: You must have forgotten after 9/11 and we put Iraq on notice to rid themselves of WMDs that France, Germany and Russia delayed the UN action for months while each of these nations sought to erase the fact that THEY built the advanced facilities to create chemical and biological weapons in Iraq.
Iraq had already disarmed their WMD as of 9/11. As for French and German concerns about an invasion of Iraq, history has shown that those concerns were more than justified. That's what friends do. They warn you before you are about to make a huge mistake. That the right-wing in the U.S. resorted to name calling, only shows how degraded the conversation had become.
IdahoBob: YES! That is our government’s job. The U.S. citizens first !!
The biggest richest guy in the room is saying he never gets a fair shake, and that everyone is against him. Sure. That will get people in line, but everyone will see him as a bully, and not trust him in the future. Do you want this one transaction, or do you want a long-term business relationship?
As we said, American's long-term interests are best served by building relationships based on trust and mutual benefit.
IdahoBob: ALL of our trade agreements were written to benefit everyone but the citizens.
Open trade is difficult, but profitable in the long run. To compete, the U.S. needs to invest in infrastructure and education. However, more than likely, they will cut taxes for the upper classes, eliminate regulations, and call it a day. That's what happened the last time Republicans were in power, and that paved the way for the worst economic debacle in generations.
No other nation has the advantages of the American people, with vast resources, a strong market economy, and a highly educated, creative, and motivated workforce. Any country would be glad to trade their situation for that of the U.S. On the other hand, the middle class in India is as large as the entire population of the U.S. They have every right to a better life, and are willing to work hard to compete.
That's what happened the last time Republicans were in power, and that paved the way for the worst economic debacle in generations.
That's right - [i]Republicans[/quote] thought - in the interest of "fairness" - that it was a good idea to allow folks working at McDonalds to assume jumbo mortgages.
Bill Carson: That's right - Republicans thought - in the interest of "fairness" - that it was a good idea to allow folks working at McDonalds to assume jumbo mortgages.
The Administration stood by fecklessly while, a massive bubble formed in the shadow market, which, like all bubbles, was demand driven.
“Those of us who have looked to the self-interest of lending institutions to protect shareholders’ equity, myself included, are in a state of shocked disbelief." — Alan Greenspan
So your response was: No sequitur, yada, yada, yada, bush’s fault and finally this little gem: “Any country would be glad to trade their situation for that of the U.S.”
THAT’S MY POINT!!!! Obama and the Democrats have been trading American’s life and jobs to India and China for years and years. That’s what Trump is going to turn around by putting America first.
IdahoBob: So your response was...
A detailed response to each of your points:
• We noated that the U.S. is a major exporter. You falsely claimed that to be a major exporter, one has to export more than you import, which is not the case.
• You claimed the U.S. doesn't export value-added goods, which is simply not the case. The primary U.S. exports are manufactured goods. Indeed, the U.S. manufactures far more today than it did a generation ago.
• We responded to your point about tariffs by noting that the U.S. belongs to trading blocks with reduced tariffs.
• You brought up Iraqi WMD and 9-11. We noted that Iraq had already disarmed their WMD by the time.
• We noted that "America First" is a slogan with roots in anti-Semitic nativism, and that insisting on "Me first!" rather mutually beneficial relationships is self-defeating in the long run.
• We then discussed the advantages and disadvantages of open trade.
Incorrect in every case.
It is called trade but as practiced it should be called exploitation. Why shouldn’t our exports equal our imports? And why do you feel the need to avoid that issue and hide behind false data?
Why should the U.S. export raw materials. Why not process those materials here providing jobs for Americans?
The U.S. trading partners put tariffs on our goods that they import and we do not put tariffs on their goods that we import. How is this fair? It isn’t of course so you prevaricate to hide it. Why is your first thought to cover up the truth?
You stated the PC version of Iraq’s WMD’s. But what I stated is that Holland, France and Germany were building advanced facilities in Iraq whose purpose was to manufacture chemical and biological WMD’s PERIOD!!! THAT IS A FACT. They were building them they knew what they were for and that is what you will not touch with a ten foot pole. They got away with this because our president (Clinton) refused to enforce the cease fire agreement with Iraq. All of our problems since the Gulf war were because of Clinton’s failures.
"America First" is a slogan with roots in anti-Semitic nativism. Where in the hell did you dig up that red herring? You do know that Obama was the most anti-semitic president ever and Trump the most pro-Israel.
Open trade. If it is so great then make the agreements a single page and not 2000 pages of hidden quid pro quos and special interest give aways. It should allow free trade and a reasonable tariff to compensate the citizens for what they lose in free trade. As a liberal tax loving left wing you should LOVE tariffs. It’s just a tax on an entity/good/service that has escaped being taxed.
IdahoBob: Why shouldn’t our exports equal our imports?
You had originally stated the U.S. wasn't a major exporter, which was incorrect. Your actual concern appears to be the trade deficit.
The trade deficit depends on the economic circumstances. The U.S. is a very rich country, the U.S. dollar is the international reserve currency, so American consumers and businesses can buy goods very inexpensively from other countries. Some of this money flows back into the U.S. as foreign investment, boosting the U.S. economy. However, some is held as debt. This can cause problems, of course, but because the debt is denominated in dollars, the U.S. still controls how the debt will be repaid.
IdahoBob: Why should the U.S. export raw materials. Why not process those materials here providing jobs for Americans?
In open markets, countries specialize in order to compete in the larger market. This provides overall scales of efficiency not available in smaller markets. China specializes in cheap manufactured goods, something previously seen in Japan, which now specializes in higher end products. The U.S. specializes in high technology, such as air and space craft, automated machinery, and software.
Merely keeping the resources in the U.S. doesn't provide jobs. That requires customers for products that U.S. workers produce. If you restrict trade, then you have fewer customers.
IdahoBob: The U.S. trading partners put tariffs on our goods that they import and we do not put tariffs on their goods that we import.
While all countries, including the U.S. restrict trade to some degree, trading blocs are regions with relatively open trade. You may want to provide specifics for discussion.
IdahoBob: But what I stated is that Holland, France and Germany were building advanced facilities in Iraq whose purpose was to manufacture chemical and biological WMD’s PERIOD!!
Yes, and the U.S. sold dual-use helicopters to Iraq during the Iran-Iraq War, and provided intelligence to help them direct chemical attacks on Iran. At that point, the West was tilting towards Iraq to stop Iran. As unwise as that decision may have been, it was a policy to which the U.S. was a party.
IdahoBob: "America First" is a slogan with roots in anti-Semitic nativism. Where in the hell did you dig up that red herring?
From a history book, but you can read about it here: "While the America First Committee attracted a wide array of support, the movement was marred by anti-Semitic and pro-fascist rhetoric. Its highest profile spokesman, Charles Lindbergh, blamed American Jews for pushing the country into war."
IdahoBob: Open trade. If it is so great then make the agreements a single page and not 2000 pages of hidden quid pro quos and special interest give aways.
Oh, if only life were so simple. The U.S. may want open trade with Japan, but Japan, being a democracy, has to account for the political influence of rice growers. The U.S. wants to protect vehicle parts manufacturers and tobacco. And so it goes across a wide range of issues. What typically results is an agreement with a complex give-and-take.
IdahoBob: It should allow free trade and a reasonable tariff to compensate the citizens for what they lose in free trade.
If you have tariffs, other countries will also institute tariffs, and it will have the effect of restricting trade, the size of the markets will be reduced, specialization restricted, and the result will be reduced production.
The real problem with free trade is that it can cause disruption of local economies. Sometimes, entire regions may be affected. People are what is known in economics as "sticky", meaning it is hard for them to change professions, or to move where jobs may be found. Hence, free markets can often cause hardship, even among those who are working hard and playing by the rules. Most countries, therefore, have instituted industrial policies revolving around education, infrastructure, and research.
What I said was in response to your statement that the U.S. is one of the world’s biggest exporters. The difference between us is that I believe that our inputs cancel out our exports and thus with a negative balance on imports/exports we Americans are the losers. You prefer to focus on whatever you feel makes you right.
We should not export raw materials we should process them and make jobs at home. Why export logs when you can export lumber? Why export ore when you can export finished goods? Why give away our assets?
Germany taxes imports, Japan taxes imports, China taxes imports, even Canada taxes imports from the U.S.
So you opposed trying to stop Iran???
Yes make “OPEN” trade OPEN!!! Have you read any of these 2000 page trade agreements?
DUH! Other countries already have tariffs against our goods. DUH!
IdahoBob: What I said was in response to your statement that the U.S. is one of the world’s biggest exporters.
That's right. You said, "the world’s biggest exporter, must export more than we import", which is factually incorrect. What you probably wanted to address was the balance of trade.
IdahoBob: The difference between us is that I believe that our inputs cancel out our exports and thus with a negative balance on imports/exports we Americans are the losers.
American consumers (both individual and corporate) win, because prices are lower than they would otherwise be. A trade deficit also indicates demand for dollars. American producers can lose, but in a large diverse economy such as the U.S., and because U.S. dollars are the world's reserve currency, this is not necessarily the case. In particular, the U.S. is a very large and stable market with a highly motivated and educated workforce, so many of the dollars flow back as investment.
IdahoBob: We should not export raw materials we should process them and make jobs at home.
You ignored the points we raised. You don't create jobs by hording resources, but by finding customers. Limiting trade limits the markets available for producers. Furthermore, the U.S. exports a large amount of manufactured goods. Guess what? Many of them are made with raw materials imported from other countries.
IdahoBob: Germany taxes imports, Japan taxes imports, China taxes imports, even Canada taxes imports from the U.S.
All those countries, including the U.S. charge each other tariffs. Trade deals can lower barriers to trade. China has been lowering tariffs on non-agricultural products imported from the U.S., from 14% in 2001 to about 5% today. The U.S. charges about 3% on non-agricultural products imported from China. Trade deals can lower tariffs even further.
IdahoBob: So you opposed trying to stop Iran???
We opposed helping Saddam with WMD. The policy was very shortsighted.
The world’s biggest car dealer must sell more cars than it buys. The world’s biggest coal company must sell more coal than it buys. We are playing second fiddle to other countries which protect their jobs and exploit our market. You can only lose money in business for awhile before you go bankrupt.
American consumers lose when they trade jobs for cheap goods. A few billionaires win.
It makes no sense to export raw materials. That’s what third world countries do.
Tax imports! The hell with what other countries do.
Everyone except the Russians, Chinese Dutch, Germans and French opposed helping Saddam with WMD’s. To imply we helped them with WMD’s is a lie and you know it.
IdahoBob: The world’s biggest car dealer must sell more cars than it buys. The world’s biggest coal company must sell more coal than it buys. We are playing second fiddle to other countries which protect their jobs and exploit our market.
When other countries invest in the U.S., Americans earn back that currency.
IdahoBob: It makes no sense to export raw materials.
Of course it does. With global markets, countries specialize. China makes low-quality manufactured goods, so they materials like wood. The U.S. makes technologically advanced goods, so they import materials like rare earth metals. Again, you don't make jobs by hording resources. You make jobs by finding customers.
IdahoBob: Tax imports! The hell with what other countries do.
The effect will be that other countries will also raise tariffs, meaning many goods will be more expensive for American consumers (including businesses), while markets will be reduced for American exporters. Consider that the American market is about 300 million people, while the global market is 7 billion people. The best response is, again, education, infrastructure, and research. This requires investment, though.
IdahoBob: To imply we helped them with WMD’s is a lie and you know it.
The U.S. provided Iraq with dual-use helicopters and intelligence required for the delivery of WMD during a hot war with Iran. Where do you think Saddam got the helicopters used for the Halabja attack? We understand why you don't want to admit your country's complicity, but the only people who are in the dark are the American people. It's the same with most American secrets. Your government isn't hiding them from the world. Everyone in Iraq knew about the abuses in Abu Ghraib, for instance. It's to hide the truth from you.
So where these helicopters that "the U.S." supplied black hawks? What kind of helicopters were they?
SweetPea: So where these helicopters that "the U.S." supplied black hawks?
No. The U.S. sold Iraq Hughes Defenders and Bell Huey helicopters, the latter suitable for "crop-dusting".
Countries don't have friends for the simple reason that nation-states aren't people.
Nations have shared interests and that is it.
JM01: Nations have shared interests and that is it.
Yeah. Like when was the last time America's allies fought and died alongside American troops?
A wise man once said, "It is better to keep one's mouth shut and let others think one a fool than it is to open it and remove all doubt."
Same goes for a keyboard.
If you're the best they got...piece of cake; can o' corn.
Your pussy hat may be a little tight on your brain pan.
Thanks for making my day.
tennesseered: Thanks for making my day.
You're welcome. However, we note you didn't venture to answer the question.
Why does a know-nothing like you presume to offer a simple-minded view of the nation?
Your condescending tone, providing analogies which serve your low IQ, only reinforces that you are wise only in your own eyes.
Your explanations are inevitably incorrect, often supported by information which is readily shown to be as equally incorrect, meaning you're either gullible or a liar. Regardless, it's a waste of other people's time to repeat so often that you're wrong.
By the way, what's that like?
DrTorch: Your explanations are inevitably incorrect, often supported by information which is readily shown to be as equally incorrect
Saying "You're wrong!" doesn't constitute an argument. If we made factual mistakes, that should be easy enough for you to show.
I enjoyed Harsanyi's piece on DeVos, especially the part about Hispanic mothers weeping when their kids don't win the charter-school lottery, and the Dem operatives who demonize DeVos for wanting to give the parents more choices.
It's all about turning the public school into jobs programs for adults.
The primary purpose of any system is to perpetuate itself regardless of its intended or stated goal. The US public school system is the finest in the world when you consider how many people are paid so much to deliver such a lousy product - and yet they've somehow managed to convince their customers it's their fault for not paying even more for the product that makes the product so lousy and the customers line up to lobby for higher prices. What an awesome racket! You've really got to admire the sheer genius of the con.
I know--somehow it always turns into a discussion of whether we're being fair to the underpaid teachers. How about if we think about how to get the kids a decent education instead?
"Reporters flocked to a campus controversy but missed it's surprising conclusion"
The paper criticized BLM and BLM used classic Marxist tactics to try to destroy and then to extort special privileges from the paper in return for letting it continue to live. Somehow we should believe this is good. If the KKK did the same thing to the NAACP would we be as happy about it? Or if RT did the same to the NYTimes would it be OK? What if country music assaulted BET and demanded more white cowboys crooning songs from the saddle would that be OK? Maybe Trump should hold up the Black Caucus and strong arm them into letting all congress join. I guess I'm still upset that there aren't enough blue eyed Canadians of Scottish descent being nominated for Oscars.
This is an emergency call for help--here in MT the local senate has already passed a bill that removes the requirement of "force" from a conviction of rape. We all know this is not about rape, but rather about the larger nationwide goal of reducing the requirement for "proof beyond reasonable doubt". We need information about this movement attacking "proof" and about the recent states discussions, or about anything at all that pertains to this snake like attack on our justice system. Please post links to informed articles ASAP Thank you
Montana and half a dozen Western states a prime for a hostile takeover. What makes them desirable to the left is their very low population which means a few thousand liberals can overwhelm your votes. Remember when they begin to rebuild downtown Missoula and spend you tax money to subsidize building condos and affordable housing? Remember how the federal government pumped in some money to increase the size of your colleges which of course meant hiring more people but not simple minded country folk but real professionals from California? Remember all the money your legislators voted to spend to advertise Montana as a great place to move to? Well guess what? They moved their and soon they will out number you. You have been hijacked and they will elect all the legislators and governor and if you are lucky enough to retain a few cities still controlled by conservative voters the governor will move in section 8 housing and refugees from Somalia and Mexico. In the meantime your two Senators and your representative will soon all be Democrats and your governor a liberal, Marxist foreign born, lesbian, man hating woman. Good luck, you are gonna need it.
Don't you-all get it. This was Ted Kennedy's original plan and what Obama meant by "hope and change". They intend to flood the country will new immigrants legal and illegal and take it over state by state. California is gone, Washington and Oregon are close behind it. Colorado is falling. Montana, Wyoming and Idaho look out. Utah and Arizona are next. New Mexico and Nevada are toast. It's a frickken invasion of the vote snatchers.
it too me about three minutes to locate SB 29 and its legislative intent.
did you even read the bill?
it doesn't remove "force".
and as for 10.1's histrionics, holy shit!
Histrionics? Ask the good people of Colorado and Washington. Ask long time residents of Montana. What I described is exactly what happened and is happening to them. Perhaps you are too young to remember when Boise had no building over two stories tall and it's biggest issue was would the canal have enough water to provide for the farmers. Now the farmers lands have housing tracts on them, you can't find the canals, the biggest worry is the million drivers on the road at rush hour and in the smaller cities they worry if the Somali refugees have incurable TB and go to school with their children. I don't think you know what's happening in many low population Western states or understand that it is all part of a larger plan.
Applepie asked about a MT bill amending the sexual assault law.
Idahoboob hijacked the thread with some nearly unreadable screeching, no doubt he'll explain his drool when he emerges from his patriot bunker after his morning FEMA drill.
I am a Nevada native, and therefore, Boise and its architectural underachievements is under the radar. But its nice to hear from one of the older folk who remember the indian wars, one of my great-great-great-grandparents had been kidnapped and for a while raised by them, perhaps you knew her personally.
I can remember when Reno had one red light and Sparks was 7 miles away through the desert. I lived in Las Vegas many many years ago. Back then you could leave Las Vegas after dinner and get to Reno in time for an Early breakfast and rarely if ever pass another car the entire night on 95. I miss the old Nevada. Too crowded. Even the loneliest hyw in the world (hwy 50) is too crowded anymore. My new favorite lonely hwy is 93 fro Ely to Pioche. You will see cattle and a few Elk, maybe even a coyote but rarely another car. Maybe your great great great is out on 93 still hitch hiking.
Too many sweetened soft drinks. What we need is a tax on them to save these poor deer from themselves. Don't they know sugar kills? Then there's the gluten. Don't get me started on the gluten. These poor deer never read them any Gary Taubes.
Of course then there is the global warming and the loss of the snow pack so they no longer need to dig for their food, and oh yeah they started to re manufacture twinkies, oh snowflakes and twinkies brings me to another thought...oh to hell with it.