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Saturday, December 31. 2016
"Liberals imagine that law-abiding citizens do not have any idea how to use a gun responsibly — and that criminals will start following rules."
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I have a very strict gun control policy. If there is a gun in the immediate area, I want to be i control of it.
Everyone needs a dream - but, please try to pick one that has a chance of coming true.
I imagine they are too self-unaware to hear the demands on monday that the cops are evil and we should get rid of them follow on tuesday that only cops should have.
Delusions of Utopia
Andrew Young once said, and I am paraphrasing, that: "Police are a necessary evil."
If I recall, he was talking about the Atlanta Police Bureau, not Department. This may or may not have been during the time that Julian Bond was involved in an investigation by that same Bureau for recreational use of cocaine--his wife was concerned for him and pimped him out to the APB Narcotics Squad. Can't use cocaine and not possess. Julian and Andy ran in the same political group (sometimes referred to as "the Andy Young crowd") of black elites that controlled (control) black politics in the ATL. There was political pressure to get this investigation voided; if you can believe that.
I will agree with Andy (Andy is a good man, outspoken, not shy and not always correct) that police are necessary, and sometimes evil (hey, it's an evil job).
The liberals and their gun free Utopia... If there were no guns then you would be more worried about getting your throat slit or being held up at knife point than you are now--ask any Australian about this. If there were no police, then everyone would need a gun more than they need one now.
Who do you call when you need a man with a gun? Sometimes you need to call one--it's that kind of world. Paladin turned in his Have Gun Will Travel card some time back, and your choices are limited.
It is said that there is a thin blue line that keeps society glued together, that separates the innocent from the wicked and maintains order amidst chaos. I work at night so that you can sleep at night.
All righty, then...it is New Year's Eve and my party awaits...the first drink is on me.
I think there is a good deal of projection. They believe that others will act as they fear they would with the power to intimidate others.
Secondly, those in urban areas feel fear of black and hispanic people with guns, but don't dare say it that way. They resent other whites not helping them out by limiting the access to guns, and think it is only because of their ridiculous traditionalism and primitive morality that they can't see how much better it would be for everyone.
That gun owners may have thought this through, have better numbers, and actually be less emotional in their reasoning seems impossible to them.
USEFUL INFO IF TRAVELING THROUGH NY STATE WITH WEAPONS - Federal law allows for interstate transport of personal weapons if they are properly stored and if you are licensed to own them in the starting and ending jurisdictions of your trip. But NY state can be testy on this. Apparently some in the judiciary and law enforcement there will recognize the federal law, but only as a defense at trial. When moving through NY, I called several state police barracks along my route and got a different story from each. So you may be stopped along the road with a flat tire and the police could see a stored weapon case in the trunk. You can be arrested, jailed, have your car impounded, need to hire an attorney and go to trial, then have the case dismissed. So the charges are dropped after you just spent $50,000 to defend yourself. The moral: If moving guns through NY, have them shipped from authorized dealer to authorized dealer. It's worth the small cost.
almost none of that is true. just enough to be a standard gun grabber scare story.
apart from being a fine example of circular reasoning, being law abiding does not mean you therefore use a gun responsibility.
Personal weapons are what raised mankind out of the muck and mud. Personal weapons are objects of great power. That power must be used with equally great responsibility. If you are a law abiding (or non-law abiding) citizen that uses a gun irresponsibly, then necessarily, your right to firearms should evaporate faster than the muzzle velocity of a .220 Swift and punishment should also be as swift.
Usually, if a person is irresponsible with a firearm they are not being law abiding. Maybe this is circular reasoning as well.
The problem is bad people with guns, regardless their ethnicity. If you have ever been on the wrong end of the barrel of a gun in a dangerous situation, you would understand that the problem is the human at the trigger.
An old saw says that God created man and that Sam Colt made them equal. There is a lot of truth in that. Guns are as American as apple pie--they are how the West was won, and the East, too, for that matter.
I would like to live in Eden with Saint Patrick. But until that day I will have to put my trust in the Lord and Smith & Wesson.
"Usually, if a person is irresponsible with a firearm they are not being law abiding. Maybe this is circular reasoning as well."
in my experience, most incidents are the result of negligence, not criminal misconduct and most of those have been gun safety violations on a range. yours is not particularly good reasoning.
Not following you here. The "incidents" of gun irresponsibility gone bad would be those where someone got hurt or killed, presumably. I'm not recalling the stories of people getting hurt or killed at shooting ranges being the statistical leader in gun problems.
Are you trying to refute the logic of some gun-owner myths? Are you complaining about how careless some gun-owners are? Are you making an accusation about safety, about precise terminology, what? Do you have some previously-mentioned solution that you think we should be moving toward? It's not as clear as you hoped.
can't help if you're not following. let me try this. see if you follow easier.
INCIDENTS WHERE PEOPLE ARE HURT BY GUNS ARE FAR MORE LIKELY TO BE ACCIDENTAL THAN CRIMINAL, NEGATING 7.1's LINKING IRRESPONSIBILITY WITH CRIMINALITY.
hope that helped.
tell me, in you opinion, do people really say things like: "Bad guys might think twice if they looked at the black hole in the barrel of a 40 SW or a 1911 45" or "I will have to put my trust in the Lord and Smith & Wesson"? I've shot trap, skeet, rifle matches for 40 years and I've never heard anyone actually say stuff like that out loud. Plenty on the internets though.
ever shot a gun? don't take that personally, just wondering.
Bad guys might think twice if they looked at the black hole in the barrel of a 40 SW or a 1911 45. Don't know the origin of this quote but it applies..."an armed society is a polite society." A bad guy (who most likely has no knowledge and/or training in the use of a firearm) is no match for a well trained and armed good guy.
When one is engaged in criminal behavior with a firearm any action is irresponsible. You may disagree. My opinion here though. Pointing a weapon at someone to discharge them of their possessions could get the pointer killed and rightly should if this was a perfect world--one action is irresponsible, the other justifiable.
However, if we are talking about the lawful use of firearms, use the following four rules as a guide:
ALL GUNS ARE ALWAYS LOADED
NEVER LET THE MUZZLE COVER ANYTHING YOU ARE NOT PREPARED TO DESTROY
KEEP YOUR FINGER OFF THE TRIGGER UNTIL YOUR SIGHTS ARE ON THE TARGET
BE SURE OF YOUR TARGET
Following these rules will usually ensure that everyone goes home after work. if you are not acquainted with these laws and use firearms I suggest you commit them to memory. It will serve you well.
I've never had a skeet shoot at me. I have seen the "the black hole in the barrel" and believe me, it will change your attitude in a hurry if you have an iota of self preservation. A .22 will grab your attention just as quickly as a .45 although it will leave a much smaller exit wound. I have heard war stories that were much more descriptive than that quote and much more entertaining, so yeah, people say those things. Maybe you hang with a nicer crowd?
Negligence is criminal although not alway prosecuted. A reasonable man would agree with this although a lawyer may not. As Flannery O'Connor almost said, a reasonable man is hard to find. A woman just got shot in the eye in South Carolina very recently at a gun range and is dead. There was also a tragic "accident" this past hunting season in South Carolina where one brother shot another when he thought brother was a deer. Someone neglected the rules, don't you think? I avoid public ranges like the plague.
"I will have to put my trust in the Lord and Smith & Wesson." I really like that one. Don't you get that this is satire and serious, rife with cliches and worn out phraseology, and I hope with enlightenment? What I should have said was that you can put your trust in the Lord, for me, I will choose Smith and Wesson. As the good shepherd said, "for thou art always with me."
"ever shot a gun? don't take that personally, just wondering." Don't bait me here, I am just an Internet troll. Guns are terrible, disgusting things and they should all be beaten into plowshares. While I am a liberal (not the sort like our bud Zach-un-real), I am a staunch Maggie's Farm Conservative. Like religion, politics, sexual preference, courtship or marriage, or toothpaste selection, I am not apt to discuss my firearms practices publicly or with others not of my ilk. Call me tribal if you will. You might say though, that I am well acquainted with the difference between an action and a safety or a muzzle and a bolt, semi-auto and auto. I am aware that ammunition comes in different calibers and each firearm demands its own; and that .223 is fine in a 5.56 but not vice versa, unless especially notated.
If you are a law-abiding citizen using firearms in a responsible (I think I covered that) manner I have no problem with your use or ownership of firearms. If you are using firearms to assert your power illegally or negligently I have a big problem with you.
"Political power grows from the barrel of a gun." So said The Chairman. "They've got the guns, but we've got the numbers" was social commentary on the politics of the day--thankfully those days are gone but we have these days. Maybe we can survive for a few more years before they pry our guns from our cold dead fingers.
"...an armed society is a polite society." Positutely.
Your milage may differ.
do you know how threads work on forums like this?
To answer your Q: I haven't a clue. Repartee?
I just read this headline and thought of you:
1 of Chicago's bloodiest years ends with 762 homicides
Those Chicargo gun ranges must be unsafe. Legislation is needed immediately. Maybe Blago can arrange it or our soon to be ex-presidente?
You shouldn't be "thinking about" someone you only know from an internet forum. That means I've gotten under your skin and, frankly, kid, that's not healthy for you.
I think you need to take some time off, and figure out what's really going sideways in your life. You've got an anger problem that is beyond the usual provocations on an internet board.
Seriously. Think about why you're acting this way. You don't have to thank me here, but you do need to chill out before you stroke out.
oh, and have someone unload your guns tonight.
ProTip: criminal negligence is an unusual kind of offense that varies from state to state but is nothing like your limited understanding of "crime" or "negligence". this is well above your pay grade so don't worry about it.
Oh, yeah, I'm thinking about you Willie B. Often.
That pain you feel in your lip? That's my hook.
I'm just a troll Willie.