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Wikileaks reminded us ...
There's nothing in the emails that indicate anything other than typical human foibles. But there's nothing like being played by the Russians, who hacked the Clinton campaign and the DNC, then selectively leaked emails in order to manipulate the U.S. electorate.
A bigger factor was the Comey emails near the end of the campaign, including the "Oops, nevermind" a couple of days before the election.
The largest factor was the explicit strategy of the Trump campaign and the Republican Party to lower turnout, which favors Republicans. By the end, many people were exhausted and disgusted. In addition, some had trouble voting due voter suppression efforts in many states. Millions fewer voted than in the previous two presidential elections.
anon: Prove it.
Donald Trump’s New Attack Strategy: Curb Clinton Vote
Trump campaign boasts of ‘major voter suppression’ effort targeting women and black people
Voter turnout at 20-year low in 2016
the "think progress" propaganda machine??? unnamed sources ? I thought you were into proof, when you defend the clinton crime family from mere unproven allegations of rape, underage sex slave Orgy Island Lolita Express, Morocco, russian uranium, Saudi , bribes, scofflaw classified document release, selling the State Department, hate comments about blacks, etc.
If you didn't have double standards, you would't have any standards at all !!
jaybird: the "think progress" propaganda machine???
The Wall Street Journal is a hardly a left-wing propaganda machine.
jaybird: I thought you were into proof, when you defend the clinton crime family from mere unproven allegations of rape, underage sex slave Orgy Island Lolita Express, Morocco, russian uranium, Saudi , bribes, scofflaw classified document release, selling the State Department, hate comments about blacks
Making stuff up isn't an argument.
You obviously did not read the various Wikileaks, DNCLeaks, FOIA State Dept. releases,and FBI releases, but instead relied on tour preferred media filters to I form you of their contents. I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt here as the alternative is you are a liar.
LWS: You obviously did not read the various Wikileaks, DNCLeaks, FOIA State Dept. releases,and FBI releases, but instead relied on tour preferred media filters to I form you of their contents.
Instead of waving in the general direction, please provide specifics. Jim talked about creating a nonpaper, which only revealed that he didn't understand the term, but we're more than happy to look at any actual evidence or argument.
I spent well over a month, reading daily, through the actual emails and releases. I'm not doing your homework for you. Nevertheless, I recommend you search Reddit/The_Donald where the emails / releases were transcribed and linked to.
You didn't WANT to know the truth and you remain clinging, bitterly, to your now destroyed prog narrative.
You have a choice here, you can get with the program and join us in making America great, or you can be a miserable loser, hating life, yourself and the world.
LWS: I spent well over a month, reading daily, through the actual emails and releases.
Great! Then you should be able to point to specific documents that support specific claims. So what is the specific claim and what is the specific evidence supporting that claim? And how do you explain why a team of career FBI investigators who saw the same evidence reached a different conclusion?
Here, you ass: https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5a3x7l/wikileaks_central_station_on_rthe_donald/?st=iuvzknrm&sh=dfa1af1d
You were too lazy to read the documents when they were released, so that is more work I did for you than you're worth. Read through these summaries with e-mail links yourself.
LWS: You were too lazy to read the documents when they were released
Actually, we did read them. Let's take the first email from your link, stolen by the Russians to try and influence the U.S. election:
Clinton: "My dream is a hemispheric common market, with open trade and open borders”
First thing you'll notice is the lack of a period in the quote. Wonder why that might be? It's a clue! Let's look at the whole sentence.
Clinton: “My dream is a hemispheric common market, with open trade and open borders, some time in the future with energy that is as green and sustainable as we can get it, powering growth and opportunity for every person in the hemisphere.”
While the whole speech hasn't been released, she is apparently talking about energy.
The Comey emails? Don't you mean the Hilary emails? The ones that Huma carelessly emailed to her degenerat husband? All 60,000 of them, which the FBI once again swept under the rug for Hilary, at the prodding of the whitehouse and justice department, in record time no less.
The only provable voter suppression is done by the democrats, which the justice department sweeps under the rug.
At least with Trump in the whitehouse, dissent, will once again be the highest form of patriotism. Instead of overt racism. It is going to be enjoyable watching the left explode over the next few years. The run up to this election has exposed who and what you are. The constitution has always been an impediment to the left, I am grateful it will survive at least four more years.
So when it comes to concerns over classified material on the Clinton server, nothin' to see here, folks and besides, prove it!
But you can weave a big conspiracy theory about the nasty ol' Russians.
Where exactly is your proof for that?
Leirhcaz: So when it comes to concerns over classified material on the Clinton server, nothin' to see here, folks and besides, prove it!
The FBI thoroughly invested the Clinton server and found that charges were unwarranted.
Leirhcaz: But you can weave a big conspiracy theory about the nasty ol' Russians.
U.S. intelligence, and independent cyber-organizations have pinpointed the source of the hack to Russia, and determined that it was of sufficient sophistication that it involved the Russian government at the highest levels. Furthermore, Russia has said they had contacts with the Trump campaign before the election.
The American public has been played by a foreign power, and Republican political leaders played along for political gain.
Or maybe people were just disgusted with corrupt Hillary and the Democrats.
By the way, if this "skeptical, politically centrist" blog is representative, there is significant evidence of racial animus among a significant number of Trump supporters.
Zach, Please tell us about yourselves. You spend lots of time posting things which have the effect of demonstrating the plain weirdness of the false socialist "narrative". Your effect here seems to be to let us focus on how bizarre the "narrative" actually is. Your posts seem to concentrate on defending the clintons, whose criminality, rapes/Orgy-underage slave island uranium & Moroccan & private college type bribes you point out have not yet been proven in court. (your narrative is that Clintons are honest, moral leaders with the welfare of the US as their only purpose in life, who are attacked solely because hillary is a woman).
Please share with our community. Do you (singular or plural?) get paid to do this? By the clinton "foundation" or a soros-related entity? Are you at a university in the academic alternate unreality snowflake bubble? Are you an about-to be leaving government employee from the obama administration? Do you have an "issue book" for cutting-and-pasting into websites , or do you post from scratch each time?
Thanks for sharing.
jaybird: Your posts seem to concentrate on defending the clintons, whose criminality, rapes/Orgy-underage slave island uranium & Moroccan & private college type bribes you point out have not yet been proven in court.
Making stuff up isn't an argument.
jaybird: Do you (singular or plural?) get paid to do this?
Our comments are our own, and freely given. You're welcome.
How much do they pay you?
You know what Zach? I'm not giving up either. When I joined the Navy in 1984, for the specific intention of stopping communism, I took an oath to defend the constitution from enemies, both foreign and domestic. I may not wear the uniform any more, but my oath still holds. Hillary Clinton was an enemy to the constitution. I will fight on. You impling that a large portion of those on this blog are racist, just because we oppose the lefty Marxist ideology, of you and your fellow democrats, only reinforces my belief that I am seeing things clearly.
B Hammer: I'm not giving up either.
No, you shouldn't. But you should take the trouble to consider your own views skeptically.
B Hammer: Hillary Clinton was an enemy to the constitution.
That's just silly. It was Trump who spent years trying to delegitimize the first African American president against all evidence, who called for the imprisonment of his political rival, who mounted a campaign that entailed bigotry, said the election was rigged, and defiantly refused to say he would accept the results of the election — unless he won. But tell us. How was Clinton an enemy to the Constitution?
B Hammer: You impling that a large portion of those on this blog are racist
We said a significant number have exhibited racial animus, most of which comments were not contested by other regular commenters, sometimes even defended. That's easily shown. Did you really want to dredge up examples?
I've been reading this blog for at least eight years, maybe longer. I'm not going to say that I read every comment, but yeah: You say that there are significant number of comments that show racial animus, prove it. There are probably six new posts per day on this blog. Two or three of which are political in nature. Say there are an average of twenty comments per post - probably more - a significant number would be 1/3 of those, twenty comments every day should show "racial animus", that is a horse hockey. Prove it. Dig up twenty comments, shouldn't be hard.
During the presidential debate, Hillary droned on for awhile about what her picks for the Supreme Court would look like. Not once did she mention fidelity to the constitution. That's enough for me. But there are books worth of examples.
As for for questioning my own views, not that it is any of your business, but I prayerfully do that every single day.
B Hammer: You say that there are significant number of comments that show racial animus, prove it.
Let's start with an obvious example:
Bird Dog: the only real racisms are hoax racism and reverse racism
Jim: I've never seen any racism in my life except for that coming from "people of color."
G: Black people are stupid and violent.
This shows not only an explicitly racist statement, but a persistent kind of blindness by others on this blog. Did they reconsider their beliefs about the existence of racism? Not at all.
I don't consider the first two comments to be racist. G's comment however....
Are you able to admit that people of color can be racist? If not, you should consider your views skepticaly.
Nineteen more to go.
B Hammer: I don't consider the first two comments to be racist.
The first two comments are not racist, but blindness to racism — like how Colbert doesn't see color.
I have lots of experience of degenerating Muslims myself. I despise the religion, pity the people condemned to live under it, and do not want them here.
B Hammer: Are you able to admit that people of color can be racist?
Zach, I am one person. I read your tripe for amusement.
I am not paid by soros or the clinton crime family.
Thanks for proving that if you didn't have double standatds, you would have no standards at all.
The Orgy Islands and Lolita Express records have been sealed in Federal Court to protect the Orgy Island" and Lolita Express "guests. , but much evidence is all over the internet to a greater extent than your "unnamed sources". Slick willy's extensive travels on the Lolita Express" are well documented, don't you agree? Hillary's claims that a 12-year old girl wanted to be brutally raped into unconciousness are in the public record. (so much for lying about "fighting for women") Slick willy's raping of and attacks on unwilling "p***y" are well documented - so much for hillary's "believe the victim" lies). What a fraud she is !!!
Then there are the Podesta emails, which you dismiss as locker room talk in your double standard mendacity.
The slick willy $18 million bribe payment for the extremely hard work bill clinton put in, of being an "honorary" chairman of a for-profit college which "somehow" got $55 million from the taxpayers (pay-to-play) is public record. According to your double standards, slick willy deserves $18million per hour because he is a "celebrity". He deserves much more than any others who actually work or try to run a business for a living.
The $millions in exchange for approval of uranium sales to the russians is public record. Trump would like to get along with the russians, but does not take bribes to do their bidding. But your double standards excuse the clinton crime family corruption.
Clinton to the middle east: nice countries you have there, it would be a shame if something would happen to them:
Morocco King: OK, here is $28 million
Saudi Arabia: OK, here are $millions for your foundation, and a $million for your birthday present, and thanks for immediately approving the arms sales !!!
Gadaffy duck: I already got rid of my nukes as a favor to the US, so no thank you
Syria: no thank you, we don't want to support ISIS.
Clinton: we have a responsibility to protect "R2p" our bribe stream by secretly arming ISIS and going to war without congressional approval.
Consider that the Clinton server was supposed to reveal a vast number of felonies, from treason to sex crimes, but it turned out to be just innuendo. Once again, into the breach, dear friends.
Zach, I sometimes can't figure out what language you are speaking. It reminds me of "clintonspeak". .
So, on a hunch, I got out my Clinton Crime Family Decoder Ring.
I put in "It depends on what the meaning of 'is' is."
The decoder ring printed out "I did have sex with that woman, and went after her "P***y" like a squirrel attacking the last peanut on earth."
Then I put in "freely given".
The Clinton Secret Decoder Ring printed out:
"We are organized by, work for and receive money from a leftist troll farm entity, most likely associated with the Clinton Crime Family. We are told to say 'freely given" when asked where we work. However, we actually do believe the stuff we copy and paste on the websites we are assigned to harass, because our educational institutions were converted into Nazi-youth propaganda mills like soros joined when he was indoctrinated during his Hitler years. War is peace, Hillary is love, We have always been at war with Israel"
Zach, do you think Huma Abedin is still a fan of arranged marriage cultures, after being forced to marry Mr Weiner, and even being married to him by slick willy clinton as the leftist religious minister? I'll give it to you that the clintons may have thought being married might calm Mr. Weiner down (bad but irresistible pun), but it still shows bad judgement of character, and bad judgement of associates by the clintons, don't you think? Trump warned them, so showed good character judgement. Honestly, now, like you promised....
jaybird: We are organized by, work for and receive money from a leftist troll farm entity
You make numerous claims based on innuendo and distortions, but end up being will-o'-wisps.
truthiness, the quality of seeming or being felt to be true, even if not necessarily true.
Try this. Take a single, specific claim of criminal wrong-doing, and provide specific evidence to support that claim. Then explain why law enforcement, which sees the same evidence, has not brought forth an indictment.
Z-Bots serves a useful purpose, as blatantly dishonest as its coded output is. It keeps you apprised of the average temperature of leftist lunacy, which as many have noted, is a clinical disorder.
We'll respond just this once, before moving you back to the spam bin.
Our statements are true to the best of our ability, and freely given. We generally address claims that have substantive support. This adherence to demonstrable claims tends to rile some people, but that is not our intention. We accept what other posters say as their own honest opinion (except for obvious trolls), and address them in kind.
Note here that Z-Bots is reciting the best possible interpretation of its output. It is making assertions not in evidence except by proclamation. Worse, it's ignoring the infinitude of points and positions it has smeared beyond all recognition, deflection and - dare I say it? - hand-waving being crucial to avoiding what really amounts to human nature and with it, the constructs actual meatspace humans, in their best elevations, wish to identify, hold to, and enshrine as the very reason humanity can on its best days, transcend the dog-eat-dog paradigm the left never sees beyond. For leftism is at its core a projecting case of socially and economically psychological splitting: It cannot exist except to take what it has already stereotyped and cartooned.
All of which sounds quite familiar throughout its history and down into each of its robotic missives.
Ask it - no, demand of it - what legitimizes it and watch it resort to ever more ultra-narrow framing and that characteristic set of charges and claims it can't support.
For me, it was never about the personalities of the candidates.
At the risk of being repetitive, it It isn't just the sneaky, behind the scenes underhandedness or the nepotism and the ineptness, ala Gruber, Ben Rhodes.
It isn't just that the "Rules are for thee, but not for me." Hillary is the poster child.
It isn't just about the useless top heavy, regulatory state, serving the entrenched interests, and favored Special Interests, while suppressing growth and American competitiveness.
It is about the willingness to denigrate and demonize the Middle while stiffing them, people whose only crime is their increasing alarm over their own livelihoods and the future standard of living for their children. I guess they are just not down with their children being leveled to third world subsistencel workers. Think where we all would be if these people had their way on Energy Independence. The Middle would be on its knees. The Dems offer the cargo cult solution, handouts, subsidies, fake make work jobs that do not grow the pie. If we give you the accoutrements of the Middle class, you will be the Middle Class. Sheesh. What is the economic rationale of a college education without worthwhile jobs. Republicans imagine everyone in the middle will become entrepreneurs, cattle trading speculators in the future's market, join the military or ricochet between amazing dead end temp service jobs.
In addition,it is a big cost shifting scam involving K Street, the government, media, even accademia, foundations, NGOs etc. They get all the gain, but they offload the pain, by shifting the cost of their failures and misadventures onto the public. IOW they privatize the gain, but socialize the pain. The charities, foundations, and other non-profits game the tax code. As Eric Hoffer has pointed out, many worth while causes eventually turn into rackets.
VDH focused on the Presidential election, but the slide of the Democratic Party has been nationwide and at all levels, even though the Republicans don't have a path through globalization or automation, either.
You'll love this, though very, very NSFW
Kudos to Tom Walker, the British comedian, playing Jonathan Pie. I, too, think he gets it right. The "elites" did this to themselves by pushing support for Trump underground. They couldn't measure it, analyze it, coopt it, or measure how effective their counter measures were. Instead they embraced the same failed tactics used against Trump in the Republican primary, but, but they are clever and creative, Right?
"One learns such things from e.g. The Buchan Observer, published near where Trump owns a golf course [in Scotland]. Hence their headline yesterday: 'Aberdeenshire business owner wins presidential election.'"
- David Warren
From Legal Insurrection: Research Guru saw Trump phenomenon coming before anyone else. Excerpt:
WAJ: What about Trump resonated with what you were finding in your research?Read the whole thing.
Anne: Well Trump came along and said two things. He said, they’re not listening to you because they don’t respect you. Together we’ll take on the inherent elitism that allows the pundits, even Rush Limbaugh, to get away with calling you “low information.” The everyday American, and especially the one without an Ivy League education, isn’t “low-information,” but wise and able to govern himself. The GOP and the Democrat Party still don’t believe that. They don’t believe in true self-governance. Trump pushed back against that snobbery.
Then he said he’d address the issue of sovereignty. We’re being told constantly, even and maybe especially by the GOP, that we must orient ourselves to global opinion. That it’s old fashioned to have borders, to insist on constants in our values. Diversity as an end in itself must be kow-towed to, instead of our country’s unique set of historic values.
Immigration and border security, even terrorism, relate to the broader ideas of “is our culture in America unique?” “Do potential immigrants need to share those values?” even “what is diversity without shared values?” And of course, “is sovereignty important, or does the broader global community offer better guidance than we can?”
So the GOP’s failure to realize their small government vs. big government dialectic wasn’t answering today’s pressing needs renders them shallow connections with the hearts of Americans. Still does.
The left wing propaganda machine is well oiled indeed. Have you ever noticed that when one Democrat operative spouts somethng they all do and the entire MSM does as well. It's like they got the same memo or email. As soon as Hillary could no longer hide from what was coming out from Wikeleaks the meme was spread to blame it on the Russians. When Comey did n't do all that he was paid for and failed to actually clear Hillary then her problems became Comey's fault. It's funny of course to watch all the talking heads fall into line but wouldn't you think they would be smart enough to change it just a teensy weensy bit so it isn't so obvious they are all getting orders to say these things?
There is an irony in the effort to tie Trump to Russia. All of the demonstrations that the Left has created all over the country both before the election and after were bought and paid for by communist organizations. And yet the talking heads are out there yelling "the Russians are coming, the Russians are coming". Meanwhile Russia owns our uranium mines that Hilllary sold to them and the Russians and Chinese are buying up the coal companies that Obama bankrupted.
Speaking of irony. Did you notice that China objected to Trump's intent to remove us from past global warming treaties? The irony is China either chooses not to agree to the treaties or when they do no to participate in any actual carbon emission cutbacks. The whole AGW thing was the worlds biggest scam from day 1. It is and always was a fraud intended to extract large amounts of money from developed countries to knock them down AND to transfer power to a socialist leaning world government.
Trump! Get the UN out of the U.S. and get the U.S. out of the UN.
GoneWithTheWind: As soon as Hillary could no longer hide from what was coming out from Wikeleaks the meme was spread to blame it on the Russians.
The claim is substantiated by U.S. intelligence, and by independent cyber-investigators.
Zach, check your "issue book" that you copy from. Blame is no longer on the russians. The official narrative is that everything is now comey's fault.
"Romney is wrong, we have always been at peace with the russians, Comey has always been an enemy of the State, Hillary is love".
jaybird: Blame is no longer on the russians.
The leaks, which is the point at issue, was determined to be the Russians by U.S. intelligence, and by independent cyber-investigators.
If you were to say, sure, the Russians were hacking into the private emails of American citizens, which is a heinous act which should be condemned, but you accounted for that when reaching your conclusions, then you might argue you weren't being played. But, if you say the Russian didn't hack into the private emails of American citizens, or that they are welcome to do so because "Lock her up!" then you were certainly being played, and will continue to be played by foreign autocratic governments who want to see America weakened.
Zach, the US would be ruined, not just weakened, by the clinton crime family. There is no doubt, whatsoever, about that.
If you didn't have double standards, you would have no standards at all. So, why not devote some of your time to debunking clinton crime family lies, if you are so noble?
Whether or not the russians hacked hillary, the DNC and Podesta's emails, is irrelevant - there they are exposed, for all to see. Now-Public records evidencing orruption, influence peddling, use of the State Department as a private employment agency for the clinton crime family foundation to sell favors and employment, unethical connections and "favors", and leaked information from the FBI to clinton, fixing of the democrat nomination against Bernie - on and on. And it is believed by your "experts" that MANY governments hacked these email server sources, not just guccifer. It was a free-for-all invitation to read her email, and the others. She had her non-citizen maid enter the Secure facility (only cleared people are legally allowed to enter) to print out classified FAXes. Why don't you address the facts of hillary's corruption and influence peddling and unethical "leak" issues? Address the facts, Zach, don't just complain that hillary was so criminal that she effectively invited the russians get her classified and damming email (if they did). These are very bad people, Zach. Why don't you address hillary arguing leniency for the brutal rapist of a 12 year old girl, Zach, because hillary claimed that the little 12 year old little girl "wanted it". Yet she lies that victims skould be beleved, except for slick willies victims. Why don't you address the character of clinton's friends, such as the long-known pervert Weiner (pervs of a feather flock together), or slick willy's "friends". Just google clinton and "Lolita Express" or "Orgy Island". There will be plenty of facts for you to comment on. Here are some of the titles:
"Bill Clinton ditched Secret Service on multiple ‘Lolita Express’ flights: Report"
"Flight logs show Bill Clinton flew on sex offender's jet much more than previously known"
"WHY BILL CLINTON'S 26 TRIPS ON THE LOLITA EXPRESS CHILD RAPE JET MATTER"
"‘Sex Slave’ Claims Bill Clinton Visited Epstein’s ‘Orgy Island’"
Zach, you like to cite undisclosed sources. Here is one for you:
""Bill Clinton Was Here": The Elite One-Percent’s 'Orgy Island' Exposed"
Zach, why do the clintons collect such perverts, like flies around cow pies?
Zach, despite your double standards, you should ask yourself "why do you devote your life to supporting corrupt pay-to-play perverts who got rich selling out the US"?
jaybird: Whether or not the russians hacked hillary, the DNC and Podesta's emails, is irrelevant - there they are exposed, for all to see.
Of course it matters that an adversarial foreign power is hacked private emails in order to influence the U.S. presidential election. If you don't account for this, then you are being played.
jaybird: Why don't you address hillary arguing leniency for the brutal rapist of a 12 year old girl
Um, she was appointed by the judge for a job she didn't want, but then defended her client according to the rules of evidence. That's what she's supposed to do.
The rest of it is spaghetti thrown at the wall, hoping it will stick. The server investigation, according to your "sources", was already supposed to have led to multiple felonies from treason to sex crimes, but it was a bunch of hooey. Let us know when you have actual evidence.