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U.S. Border Protection Agcy. Advertises SAFE ZONES for Illegal Aliens Poll: Voters Want A Total Revolt Against Immigration I’m an immigrant and a Muslim. And I’m here to cure cancer Nobody wants to exclude that guy America continues living the long perpetuated hoax that our Mike Pence shows how it’s done in response to a question about Trump and the Khan family In this year's Electotainment, I'd rather see Pence vs. Kaine than the jerks we have Neocon-like Groupthink Dominates Both Conventions - Hardline foreign policy prevails Why? Trump is killing himself with self-inflicted wounds EU is at 'END of existence' Polish experts blast Merkel & claim 'Germans have had enough' Trackbacks
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"I’m an immigrant and a Muslim. And I’m here to cure cancer"
I'm happy to exclude that guy. Don't need him, don't want him. Besides, taking the intellectual talent from other nations is as exploitative (maybe more so) as strip mining the copper or gold. Immigration is morally wrong in most of these instances. Bird Dog: Nobody wants to exclude that guy
Z: In fact, polls show a small, but significant ... DrTorch: I'm happy to exclude that guy. Don't need him, don't want him. Nevermind. QUOTE: America continues living the long perpetuated hoax that our citizenry has a government of the people, by the people, and for the people ... we’ll all be taking the ultimate Lesser-Evil or Repugnance Test In a two-party system, the major compromises are made by the parties before the general election, largely through the primary system. In many parliamentary systems, people can fairly well vote their consciences, but then the parties engage in the messy business of compromise after the election in order to form a government. The problem today is that the Republican Party has abdicated its responsibility with its choice of presidential candidate. When looking at the day-to-day political battles, it's easy to lose heart; but, when looked over the span of history, the U.S. has made great strides towards greater liberty and equality. I’m an immigrant and a Muslim whose culture is focused on the 7th Century and whose religious tenets allow for suppression of women, stoning of apostates and slaughter of infidels, my parents are cousins from the same tribe, so my IQ is about 80....BUT I’m here to cure cancer.
FIFY! "Trump is killing himself with self-inflicted wounds"
Only one problem with that. Trump seems to thrive on blood-letting. And just a little while ago a retired lieutenant colonel gave Trump his Purple Heart. Trump put him up on stage. This whole Khan thing is a nothing. It will get forgotten next week. BTW, Trump was RIGHT. For this man to accuse him of knowing nothing and not allowing someone like his son into the country...ridiculous.
I had no problems with Trump hitting back. Especially since NO ONE said the same thing about Hillary calling Sean Smith's mother a liar. Sorry. If there is not fair treatment in the press, Trump HAS to fight back. Next week, we will be onto something else. Something new will be in the news. The press will try a new tack, etc. MissT: Especially since NO ONE said the same thing about Hillary calling Sean Smith's mother a liar.
Except that Clinton did not call her a liar, but that she was mistaken. Clinton: "I feel a great deal of sympathy for the families of the four brave Americans that we lost at Benghazi. And I certainly can't even imagine the grief that she has for losing her son, but she's wrong." Let's see... Person 1 says Person 2 said something to her. Person 2 spent the next month telling the world what she said to Person 1. Person 2 has spent the last five months telling lies and then on TV, she lied about what the FBI director said on TV and in Congressional testimony.
Given that there is no audio evidence either way, it becomes a she said - she said situation. Even if she didn't already have a history of lying before the episode with Person 1 happened, why should anybody believe Person 2? mudbug: Given that there is no audio evidence either way, it becomes a she said - she said situation.
Other families in the room have different memories of the event.
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Zachriel
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2016-08-02 12:53
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Once again, you failed to answer the actual question that was asked.
Fallacy is a habit with you.
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DrTorch
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2016-08-02 14:34
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DrTorch: Once again, you failed to answer the actual question that was asked.
We did answer the question. We pointed to evidence from multiple people, some who corroborate Smith's version, and some who contradict Smith's version. That indicates differences in memory, not that so many are being dishonest. Furthermore, the original question was whether Hillary called Smith a liar. She did not. She said Smith was wrong, while also showing some sympathy for the grief she must feel.
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Zachriel
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2016-08-02 15:16
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Pissing match on this point is not helpful. Khan is just the latest in a long series of Trump spats, each of which the media swears is the one that will sink him. Khan embarrassed himself by pulling out his pre-distressed copy of the the constitution and asking whether Trump has read it. There is no constitutional obligation to let non-citizens into this country and if Khan had ever read it he would know that. But none of that matters. It was a made for TV photo op moment of a Muslim holding aloft the constitution with a reverence typically reserved for the Koran, in an attempt to undermine the right wing narrative that Islam is a fifth column. The left went crazy and ran pictures of Khan everywhere. The right said 'meh' -- even if this guy is for real, he doesn't help us distinguish between the good ones and the bad ones? There's a Manchurian Candidate problem with the immigrants (or more often their children!) where generally secular individuals suddenly rediscover their roots, radicalize and become politically motivated murderers. Khan isn't an argument against that. He's just a guy standing up waving around the constitution.
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stinkfoot
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2016-08-02 15:34
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stinkfoot: The right said 'meh' -
It was Trump who turned it into an ongoing issue. Khan asked if Trump had read the Constitution. Trump said Khan had "no right" to criticize him. Trump may have read the Constitution, but he must have missed the sequel.
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Zachriel
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2016-08-02 18:37
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That there are different memories of the event make it a she said - she said situation.
According to the link you gave, two participants in different families said she claimed a video was the cause of the attack. One said she said it was a protest but did not mention a video but quoted her: QUOTE: Quigley said, adding that Clinton chose to "perpetuate what she knew was untrue." The link also said: QUOTE: In addition to meeting with family members privately at Andrews that day... Given the sensitivity of the situation, it seems likely that that means that Dame Hillary visited or at least talked with the families individually in which case, it might not be surprising that they were told different things. In any case, Hillary has a reason to lie and since she is known to lie without a reason (see Bosnian sniper fire story), it would not take much of a stretch to believe she is lying about Pat Smith in this case - especially since it was the same story she and the administration peddled to the rest of us (and the UN) over the next few months.
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mudbug
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2016-08-02 16:02
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Believe what you want, but what we do know is that she didn't call Smith a liar, contrary to what was stated above.
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Zachriel
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2016-08-02 18:33
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Let's try an experiment:
You and I have a conversation. I tell a group that you said, "X." (not that I think you said or think you meant,, or thought I heard you say, "X", but that you positively said, "X." If you say I'm wrong, exactly how is that different than saying I'm lying? Choosing to believe a serial liar, who even lied when it did her no harm to tell the truth, says all we need to know.
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mudbug
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2016-08-02 20:38
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mudbug: Let's try an experiment
Several people have a conversation. Some say X was said. Some say Y was said. Even people in the same family disagree on what was said. The person you don't trust says it was Y, and that others must have misheard or misunderstood. mudbug: If you say I'm wrong, exactly how is that different than saying I'm lying? Because saying someone is wrong is not the same as saying they are lying. It may mean the person has a faulty memory or misheard. It's simply not the case that Clinton called Patricia Smith a liar, anymore than Tyrone Woods' mother called Tyrone Woods' father a liar when she said she "never heard the word ‘video’ mentioned. That’s just a fact."
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Zachriel
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2016-08-02 21:08
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mudbug: That there are different memories of the event make it a she said - she said situation.
That would make it a she said, he said, she said, he said, she said, with differing accounts even in the same family.
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Zachriel
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2016-08-02 18:41
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"Full-time college students spend less time on ‘educational activities’ than high schoolers"
Liberal Arts majors?, but not the hard science and engineering students. You know, those "vocational" degrees where you actually have to learn an objective body of knowledge. Remember what a Liberal Art is: QUOTE: In the precapitalistic ages writing was an unremunerative art. Blacksmiths and shoemakers could make a living, but authors could not. Writing was a liberal art, a hobby, but not a profession. It was a noble pursuit of wealthy people, of kings, grandees and statesmen, of patricians and other gentlemen of independent means. It was practiced in spare tim e by bishops and monks, university teachers and soldiers. The penniless man whom an irresistible impulse prompted to write had first to secure some source of revenue other than authorship. Mises, Ludwig von (2010-12-23). The Anti-Capitalistic Mentality By the very definition, a liberal art is something you pursue for yourself. Liberal arts are selfish and do not prepare the student to do something useful for their fellow man. That is why Marxism survives in the liberal arts as it is a philosophy of selfishness. "I’m an immigrant and a Muslim. And I’m here to cure cancer"
And yet, if we look at the profile of radical Muslim terrorists, someone such as the author does warrant good vetting procedures. How many of the terrorists have been immigrants, Muslims, but also holders of engineering and medical degrees? The Muslim immigrant problem, i.e., terrorists among them, requires better vetting. The Southern border immigrant problem requires rolling back regulation and licensing to make it easier for people to start businesses and adapt to the changing economy. This is also the best solution to trade displaced workers and getting the economy going in general. We are reaching the crisis of socialism. Thankfully, we only have partial socialism, but the socialistic policies and over-regulation are chocking off our economic well-being. Re the fatherless effect.
Read this book on the effects of absent fathers. "The Garbage Generation" by Daniel Amneus. "Trump is killing himself with self-inflicted wounds"
This is all a faux tempest in a tea pot. This was set up by the DNC and teed off by a Democrat operative playing a news person on TV. Khan was coached and encouraged to bait Trump and the MSM would take the reins and create a hoopla to take the focus off Hillary's crimes and lies. Simple as that. That is what the MSM will do 24/7 for the next 100 days. That is their job (you though their job was to report the news I bet). Should Trump act more like Hillary and hide himself from the press and only speak on script and pander to everyone? Well that is how most politicians act but most politicians are not liked because they hide themselves, pander and tell us lies on script. The price of being open and honest in his opinion is that Trump steps in it now and then. He may have this time. Having said that it seems that Khan is not what he pretends to be. Sure his son died in battle (which has diddly squat to do with Mr Khan who didn't fight or die in battle). But Mr Khan has dirty hands; he is a dirty immigrant lawyer using dirty trick to sneak muslim immigrants into the country. He is a member and/or advocate for the Muslim Brotherhood. He is active in trying to implement sharia law in this country. He is exactly the reason we need to stop muslim immigration and deport people who have immigrated here and are actively trying to undermine our constitution. On the funny side of this tempest in a tea pot Trump implied that Mrs Khan was not allowed to speak and kind of highlighted one of the worst and quite anti-American attributes of Islam. For this Trump was roundly criticized while ironically in numerous face times on TV Mr Khan spoke incessantly while Mr's Khan was stone faced and dared not speak. Hmmmm, Trump is right again. Mr Khan's son was a hero and fought and died for freedom. He is to be commended and was. The Senior Khan is simply the father eagerly exploiting his son's death to help elect a president that will further his desire to increase muslim (and thus terrorist) immigration to the U.S. The left is hopeful that he can succeed even though it would harm the country. GoneWithTheWind: he is a dirty immigrant lawyer using dirty trick to sneak muslim immigrants into the country
It's because such views are given countenance within the Republican Party that Trumpism has risen to the top. GoneWithTheWind: or this Trump was roundly criticized while ironically in numerous face times on TV Mr Khan spoke incessantly while Mr's Khan was stone faced and dared not speak. Hmmmm, Trump is right again. Ghazala Khan has spoken eloquently, in her own voice, including on the equality of women. How the American Civil War Built Egypt’s Vaunted Cotton Industry and Changed the Country Forever
The Confederacy miscalculated when it assumed that King Cotton would lead to the European states giving diplomatic recognition to the Confederacy. From Cotton Diplomacy In The Civil War: QUOTE: Almost unanimously, Southerners believed they could use cotton to lure England and France into recognizing the Confederacy. Since the administration of Jefferson Davis wanted to avoid any appearance of international "blackmail," the Confederate Congress never formally approved an embargo, but state governments and private citizens voluntarily withheld the crop from the market in hopes of causing a "cotton famine" overseas. Theoretically, widespread shortages would shut down European mills, forcing governments to recognize and perhaps come to the military aid of the Confederacy, or to declare the Union blockade ineffective and disregard or break it in order to reopen Southern ports. A further mistake that the Confederacy made was in assuming that withholding its crop would lead to cotton shortages in Europe which would lead to diplomatic recognition. The bumper crop of 1860 meant that cotton shortages didn't hit European mills until late 1862. By then, increased cotton production in Egypt and other countries supplied European mills.The "King Cotton" mentality was seriously flawed, not the least in overestimating the value of "white gold." First, a bumper crop in 1860 had glutted the marketplace, lowering prices and allowing mill owners to stockpile. Cotton prices did rise sharply late in 1861, but workers, not owners, suffered from the effects of unemployment. Producers, drawing from their reserves, did not feel the pinch until late in 1862, and within a year imports from India, Egypt, and Brazil sufficiently replaced Southern cotton. Second, Davis, never an astute diplomat, failed to recognize how much Europe feared the possibility of war with the U.S. Private European citizens and industrialists invested in speculative ventures tenuously backed by Southern cotton securities, but their governments would not antagonize the North by recognizing the Confederacy for the sake of guaranteeing those investments or increasing supplies of the staple. Further, Southern society tied cotton inseparably to slavery, and England, the example Napoleon Ill would follow, led the abolitionist movement in the world community. Europe's wait-and-see attitude hardened into unassailable neutrality after the Southern armies suffered reverses beginning at Gettysburg, and Davis and his supporters realized the cotton strategy had failed as a diplomatic tool. They had unwisely hoarded their one great asset and undermined their best chance of financing the war. A further consequence of increased cotton production in Egypt and other countries was that after the end of the Civil War, Southern US cotton was no longer the dominant source of cotton. After the rise in cotton prices during the Civil War, increased worldwide production plus the return of Southern US cotton to the market meant that cotton prices fell below what they were before the war. The drop in the price of cotton meant that after the Civil War, the South was much poorer than it was before the war. King Cotton was no more. I'm in favor of excluding the guy too. Let him cure cancer in his own country.
The Dems have been so successful at this that you didn't even notice. You didn't notice the rallies by the Bernie people, the way that delegates were shut out, the paid ringers, the white noise generators. You didn't notice because you were so busy talking about evil Trump being mean to the heroic Muslims. And yes, lets' not talk about Patricia Smith either. CBS is still talking up the Muslim dad. I suspect it will stop tomorrow, since word is out about his connections to the Clinton Foundation and the program that lets rich immigrants buy citizenship. |