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Meet the Democrat communist...

There is something a little scary about the numbers of Democrat leaders and advisors who are card carrying communists. Even the "spontaneous" Democrat demonstrations are carefully choreographed communist funded political events. Why our MSM isn't all over this is a mystery. Can you imagine if the KKK were funding and organizing anti-Democrat demonstrations that the MSM would ignore it? For that matter even if the Koch brothers paid demonstrators to show up with anti-Hillary signs the MSM would be highlighting the source of the funding. But when 100's of anti-Trump demonstrators are hired by far left (dog whistle for Marxist/socialist/communist) agitators the MSM acts as though it was just a grass roots citizen action. Our MSM is letting the country down.

#1 GoneWithTheWind on 2016-06-28 09:52 (Reply)

check under the bed. I know They are hiding. I've got this List of commie infiltrators ... .

#1.1 Donny "The Bear Jew" Donowitz on 2016-06-28 10:00 (Reply)

Thank you for confirming my point that few people are even aware of the communist leader and advisors in the Democrat party. If the MSM were doing their job your naive comment wouldn't have been your response.

#1.1.1 GoneWithTheWind on 2016-06-28 11:00 (Reply)

look over there! its got to be a KBG thug, he's got snow on his boots!

#1.1.1.1 Donny "The Bear Jew" Donowitz on 2016-06-28 17:39 (Reply)

That would have been funny around 1980, as it was all made a cultural joke. Now we see Joe McCarthy was right.

#1.1.2 LWS on 2016-06-28 13:46 (Reply)

Where is Joe McCarthy when you need him? I thought being a member of an organization dedicated to the overthrow of our government was considered treasonous. Has that changed? Now we have communists AND Moslems packing our government.

#1.2 jma on 2016-06-28 12:36 (Reply)

the first amendment guarantees you to belong to any organization your want to, commies, wannabe nazis, even demoncraps. you just can't take actions to overthrow the government.

#1.2.1 Donny "The Bear Jew" Donowitz on 2016-06-28 19:39 (Reply)

"... That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. ... But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."

Hmm. How does one "throw off" a would-be tyrannical government? Seems to me the tyrants and their minions will not ever go peacefully.

#1.2.1.1 John A. Fleming on 2016-06-28 20:07 (Reply)

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The howl against democracy

So much for the "Republic not a democracy" argument. In any case, the vote must be respected, despite the consequences. What's interesting is how fast the 'Leavers' are backtracking. If Britain wants to trade with the EU, then it will have to conform to EU rules. If Brits want to travel and work freely in Europe, they'll have to allow Europeans to travel and work freely in Britain.

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Was Brexit About Racism or Tea Kettles?

Brexit: Wave of hate crime and racial abuse reported following EU referendum

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President of the EU Parliament Slams Britain For "Violating the Rules:" "It Is Not The EU Philosophy That The Crowd Can Decide Its Fate"

Can you find an original source for the quote?

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Bravo Brexit! ... As Donald Trump was quick to point out, they have taken back their country.

That's ironic, considering Trump said that in the country of Scotland, who voted overwhelmingly to remain in the EU.

#2 Zachriel on 2016-06-28 09:54 (Reply)

you people have always had a problem with the exercise of fee will when it doesn't fit the demands of the central committee. you can't shoot people or send them to the gulag, so what is to be done?

amirite, comrade?

#2.1 Donny "The Bear Jew" Donowitz on 2016-06-28 09:59 (Reply)

Donny "The Bear Jew" Donowitz: you people have always had a problem with the exercise of fee will when it doesn't fit the demands of the central committee.

Z: "the vote must be respected"

#2.1.1 Zachriel on 2016-06-28 10:00 (Reply)

don't piss down my back and tell me its raining.

#2.1.1.1 Donny "The Bear Jew" Donowitz on 2016-06-28 10:06 (Reply)

Z: ... the vote must be respected...

I take you (all) at your word that you respect the results of a vote. Then why do you respect the EU? There's nothing democratic about it. In fact, it was designed to be anti-democratic and elitist.

#2.1.1.2 mudbug on 2016-06-28 10:17 (Reply)

mudbug: I take you (all) at your word that you respect the results of a vote.

It's the expressed will of the people. Whether right or wrong, the people have a right to self-determination.

mudbug: Then why do you respect the EU?

Because it has helped keep the peace for over seventy years on a continent that has been at the forefront of aggression for centuries.

mudbug: There's nothing democratic about it.

Like all modern systems, it's a hodgepodge of different political forces. In particular, the democratic states of Europe elect representatives, who have worked out the current arrangements through a series of treaties. Included in those arrangements is Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty, which allows a state to withdraw from the EU.

#2.1.1.2.1 Zachriel on 2016-06-28 10:34 (Reply)

Your response does not in any way dispute what I said - that it is anti-democratic and elitist.

The states of Europe elect representatives for the EU parliament that cannot initiate, propose, or repeal legislation. The states have no control over regulations, trade, or their own borders.

From Fredrick Forsyth's article (http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/679277/History-EU-how-bureaucrats-seized-power)

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[speaking of Jean Monnet, the founder of the EU] ...But the big question remained: how should this Europe-wide single state be governed? Then he came to the conclusion that still prevails today.

In the 1930s democracy had failed. In Germany, Italy and elsewhere desperate people had flocked to the demagogues who promised full bellies and a job in exchange for marching, chanting columns. So democracy must go. It could not be the governmental system of the new Utopia. It was not fit to be. (He was already president of the Action Committee for the Superstate, his official title. There is nothing new about the word superstate).

Instead there would be a new system: government by an enlightened elite of bureaucrats. The hoi polloi (you and me) were simply too dim, too emotional, too uneducated to be safely allowed to choose their governments. It never occurred to him to devise a way to strengthen and fortify democracy to ensure that what happened in Italy and Germany in the 1920s and 1930s could not happen again. No, democracy was unsafe and had to be replaced. (This is not propaganda, he wrote it all down).

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Europe’s nations should be guided towards the superstate without their people understanding what is happening. This can be accomplished by successive steps, each disguised as having an economic purpose, but which will eventually and irreversibly lead to federation.

- Jean Monnet

#2.1.1.2.1.1 mudbug on 2016-06-28 11:03 (Reply)

mudbug: Your response does not in any way dispute what I said - that it is anti-democratic and elitist.

The European Parliament is an elected body.

#2.1.1.2.1.1.1 Zachriel on 2016-06-28 11:25 (Reply)

FWIW, the EU Parliament is only one arm of the EU, and does not have the power to create legislation - that is reserved for the non elected segments of the EU.

It's a seemingly common mistake to refer to the EU under the phrase "parliament" by many in the US...

#2.1.1.2.1.1.2 Jess1 on 2016-06-28 13:32 (Reply)

Jess1: the EU Parliament is only one arm of the EU, and does not have the power to create legislation

Neither does the U.S. Senate have the power to originate revenue bills. That doesn't mean the U.S. Senate doesn't have legislative power over the revenue.

The EU has a bicameral system. Legislation is proposed by the Commission, but requires the approval of both the Council and of the Parliament.

#2.1.1.2.1.1.2.1 Zachriel on 2016-06-28 13:49 (Reply)

Revenue is hardly the only cause of legislation - And you somehow forgot the House.

BTW, there are three primary parts - the Parliament, the Council, and the Commission - out of seven total segments.

"Bicameral"?

#2.1.1.2.1.1.2.1.1 Jess1 on 2016-06-28 14:02 (Reply)

Jess1: BTW, there are three primary parts - the Parliament, the Council, and the Commission - out of seven total segments.

The Commission is the executive body, and proposes legislation that then requires approval by the Parliament, and usually the Council. The member states comprise the Council, which acts as a collective presidency. As Parliament is a democratically elected body, that means legislation requires democratic approval, contrary to the claim that the process is "anti-democratic".

#2.1.1.2.1.1.2.1.1.1 Zachriel on 2016-06-28 14:21 (Reply)

Only the European Commission, which is unelected, can propose, implement, or repeal legislation. It is composed of members from the states, but they are bound by oath to represent the interests of the EU rather than the member states so in effect, there are no representatives from the member states.

In order to be truly democratic, the process of decision making must be generally understandable.

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[speaking of the EU Parliament] The change since its foundation was highlighted by Professor David Farrell of the University of Manchester;

For much of its life, the European Parliament could have been justly labeled a 'multi-lingual talking shop'.

Its development since its foundation is a testament to the evolution of the Union's structures without one clear "master plan". Some such as Tom Reid of the Washington Post said of the union, "nobody would have deliberately designed a government as complex and as redundant as the EU".

Ried is being kind. The entire system is byzantine and convoluted. The ordinary citizen has no idea or connection with what is going on and even if he did, there would be very little he could do about it since the majority of the power in the EU is not held in parliament.

#2.1.1.2.1.1.2.1.1.1.1 mudbug on 2016-06-28 16:52 (Reply)

mudbug: Only the European Commission, which is unelected, can propose, implement, or repeal legislation.

The membership of the European Commission is subject to parliamentary approval.

Furthermore, the European Council acts as a collective presidency. The heads of state of the members comprise the Council, every state in the EU being democratic.

mudbug: In order to be truly democratic, the process of decision making must be generally understandable.

Sure. Most Americans have a full understanding of how delegates are distributed during the nomination process, depending on whether a state has a caucus or a primary, the minimum levels for winning any delegates, and the minimum levels for winner-take-all results, not to mention superdelegates, party rules committees, and so on. (That's why Trump is the presumptive Republican nominee.) No doubt, the vast majority of American voters understand the Electoral College, and why a voter in Wyoming has more than 60 times the influence on the Senate as a voter from California, or why it often takes 60% for a bill to pass the Senate. Then there's the now common procedure where a majority of the majority party (typically a minority) can hold up legislation in the House, even if a simple majority to proceed is available. Of course, the average citizen is also fully aware of how their own state legislative process works.

mudbug: The ordinary citizen has no idea or connection with what is going on

The argument was that the EU was "anti-democratic". That is clearly not the case. A better argument is that the EU is too large and unwieldy to be responsive. The same is often said about Washington (or for that matter, Springfield or Austin), yet we wouldn't say that the U.S. is "anti-democratic" (or Illinois or Texas, for that matter).

mudbug: and even if he did, there would be very little he could do about it since the majority of the power in the EU is not held in parliament.

Nearly all EU legislation now requires parliamentary approval per treaties unanimously adopted by the member states.

#2.1.1.2.1.1.2.1.1.1.1.1 Zachriel on 2016-06-28 19:49 (Reply)

Your response does not in any way dispute what I said

And yet you'll keep feeding the ZBot continually...

Codependence is arguing with an alcoholic on their terms.

#2.1.1.2.1.1.3 Ten on 2016-06-28 16:38 (Reply)

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So much for the "Republic not a democracy" argument.

Sorry Zach. The UK is not a Republic.

#2.2 feeblemind on 2016-06-28 10:23 (Reply)

feeblemind: The UK is not a Republic.

We were clearly using the term republic to refer to a state "in which power resides in elected individuals representing the citizen body and government leaders exercise power according to the rule of law." The UK is not a republic in the sense that the head of state is a hereditary monarch, albeit one with very limited political powers.

More particularly, the parliament could ignore or overrule the non-binding vote to leave the EU. However, to do so would undermine democracy, which has been a strong current of modern history.

#2.2.1 Zachriel on 2016-06-28 10:39 (Reply)

"That's ironic, considering Trump said that in the country of Scotland, who voted overwhelmingly to remain in the EU."

You are dissembling.

Although Scotland is a "country", it's not a sovereign state. The vote that counted for Brexit was the total vote for the UK.

That's because, unlike Scotland, the UK is a sovereign state.

#2.3 JJM on 2016-06-28 11:33 (Reply)

And the EU doesn't want Scotland anyway.

As Wretch wrote at Belmont Club:

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Scotland will need its own money, borders, and laws before it can apply as a state, and it lacks money above all. The EU, like any gentlemen's club, will not admit beggars to the rolls.

https://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2016/06/26/the-second-iceberg/

#2.3.1 feeblemind on 2016-06-28 13:15 (Reply)

JJM: You are dissembling.

It's not dissembling to call Scotland a country, as that is exactly what they are, and what they consider themselves.

So when Trump arrives in Scotland and congratulates them for "taking their country back", it sounds to the Scots that he is ignorant, and making an inadvertent call for Scottish secession from the UK.

#2.3.2 Zachriel on 2016-06-28 13:36 (Reply)

Did I say Scotland wasn't a country?

It is a "country" in the same way England and Wales are countries. But none of these three countries are sovereign states.

#2.3.2.1 JJM on 2016-06-28 16:51 (Reply)

JJM: Did I say Scotland wasn't a country?

No, it was Trump who was confused.

#2.3.2.1.1 Zachriel on 2016-06-28 19:22 (Reply)

You are dissembling.

We have a winner. You could sell that around here, at least once the regulars catch on.

#2.3.3 Ten on 2016-06-28 20:36 (Reply)

Kollege U

I'm not buying this hype about fragile kids. the media and especially the internets love Drama and melting down snowflakes seem tailor made stories. while the typical kollege kid is probably naively stupid and rebellion against parents (or parent substitutes like kollege presidents) is a necessary part of growing up, the loons who make Drudge or College Insurrection are noisy outriders who are getting their 15 minutes of fame. the vast majority of kids graduate and grow up, because life will bitchslap stupid and run over anyone who can't deal with it: rent, insurance, cubicle farms, family, food in pantry, car repairs, and most important, the fact that no one really Cares.

#3 Donny "The Bear Jew" Donowitz on 2016-06-28 09:54 (Reply)

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Dem Party Platform Calls For Prosecuting Global Warming Skeptics

That is incorrect. The Democratic platform calls for an investigation into allegations of corporate fraud. That requires showing not that a corporation was skeptical, but that they weren't skeptical, yet still professed skepticism. Based on what we know, this is unlikely to hold up in court.

#4 Zachriel on 2016-06-28 10:44 (Reply)

Fraud: wrongful or criminal deception intended to result in financial or personal gain.

This would seem to more appropriately to the pro-AGW warmies than it does to businesses. The warmies have spent their entire carear hiding and altering the data on global temperatures and they are paid billions and billions for their work. They are the exact definition of fraud.

#4.1 GoneWithTheWind on 2016-06-28 11:04 (Reply)

The EU hasn't kept the piece over the last 70 years. That's bull! The EU and all of its precursor organizations have been created and operated to enrich the European elites. What kept the peace in Europe for the last 70 years or so has been NATO and the 60,000 and more U.S. combat troops stationed there. Really?? The EU kept the peace?? Read more history and remember that no matter how many bureaucrats and agencies you may have, tanks and artillery and men with guns don't give a damn about your paperwork.

#5 Ike on 2016-06-28 11:06 (Reply)

Ike: What kept the peace in Europe for the last 70 years or so has been NATO and the 60,000 and more U.S. combat troops stationed there.

NATO, of course, includes many European nations that also belong to the EU. Denying the importance of the EU to stabilizing Europe would be directly contrary to Eisenhower's view on the matter, which was that the EU would "draw together those whose past differences have
led to recurrent war".

#5.1 Zachriel on 2016-06-28 11:31 (Reply)

And your faith in experts and authority is such that you think everyone here will quiver at the idea that Eisenhower might have misjudged something about the future? NATO may have kept the peace, but if you think NATO is the EU, rather than the US, you're dreaming.

#5.1.1 Texan99 on 2016-06-28 22:49 (Reply)

We could have chosen any of a number of citations or facts. We cited Ike for a reason.

#5.1.1.1 Zachriel on 2016-06-28 22:56 (Reply)

People people, people. When are you going to stop playing this little game?

Tex 99, Normal Person: NATO worked, the EU not so much.

ZBot, Machine: [Monotonic] We [sic] quoted Ike on matters of joint security. A veritable, original. 'Murican. Principle. Please conflate with. The EU. [bzzt-POP.]

Tex99: The present EU sucks, as is plain to see.

ZBot: We [sic] quoted Ike on matters of joint security. Daisy, Daisy, give me y- [Smell of heating circuits.]

#5.1.1.1.1 Ten on 2016-06-29 08:06 (Reply)

Here's a brief history of how economic and political cooperation was devised to stabilize Europe after WWII:
http://europa.eu/about-eu/eu-history/1945-1959/index_en.htm

#5.1.1.2 Zachriel on 2016-06-29 10:23 (Reply)

"Now, Maher did say that he doesn’t support a Muslim ban, but added that the Islamic world needs a reformation similar to what occurred in Christendom."

Once again "reformation" is touted. This sort of reference demonstrates just how little people know about the Reformation.

The Protestant denominations that arose out of the Reformation weren't suddenly all touchy-feely, liberal, gay-friendly and Unitarian. Indeed, we conveniently overlook that Calvinism, Puritanism and evangelical fundamentalism were all children of the Protestant Reformation. There was nothing particularly "New Age" or sensitive about Martin Luther either.

It doesn't seem to occur to any of these clever people like Bill Maher and Ayaan Hirsi Ali that the Reformation aimed at "re-forming" Christianity by taking it back to some perceived stripped-down vision of its First Century manifestation. Back to the basics, as it were.

In fact, the Islamist jihadists have exactly the same view of Islam: back to the basics. It could be argued that an "Islamic Reformation" is indeed underway and the Islamist State is a manifestation of it.

#6 JJM on 2016-06-28 11:46 (Reply)

The Chinese government has banned broadcast and Internet TV shows that show "the dark side of society."

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Good for the Chinese. America used to have the same standards. My wife and I have basically stopped watching all American TV because it has gotten so bad, in every way. We primarily watch Korean television, and sometimes Japanese television. Korean TV especially is of much better quality, and not anywhere as degenerate as American TV programs.

The big hit throughout Asia this Spring, and especially in China, has been the Korean series Descendants of the Sun, about a Korean special forces unit assisting the U.N. to keep peace in a mythical Balkans country (actually filmed partially on locations in Greece). Of course intertwined with a love story between the commander of the unit and a Korean woman doctor serving with Doctors Without Borders.

#7 Jim on 2016-06-28 14:01 (Reply)

"the dark side of society."

so you're not a fan of film noir, which has been around since the extremely degenerate 1940s. you might enjoy the Japanese patriotic movies back then.

#7.1 Donny "The Bear Jew" Donowitz on 2016-06-28 17:43 (Reply)

The recent Korean film "Assassination" (2015) pretty well fits the film noir bill. About the twists and turns of a Korean assassination plot against the Japanese occupiers in the 1930s. Pretty dark and depressing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_%282015_film%29

Watched this on Asiana as I was flying to China recently.

#7.1.1 Jim on 2016-06-28 18:10 (Reply)

The Hong Kong Film Awards -- check it out.

and you'll want to watch john woo's Hard boiled. look for the five minute hospital shootout, filmed in one long take. seriously epic.

#7.1.1.1 Donny "The Bear Jew" Donowitz on 2016-06-28 19:51 (Reply)

Wow.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wYCh5nxyCI

Just like Golden Dragon in S.F. Chinatown.

#7.1.1.1.1 Jim on 2016-06-28 21:36 (Reply)

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