Maggie's Farm

Respectfully, I must disagree with those using the term "Draft Dodger"

Derogatory, indicating cowardice.

With Ali, there was no run to Canada, no quick enrollment in college, no physical/mental shenanigans at the induction physical (looking at you Ted Nugent). I don't have a source, but I have read that he was offered stateside, non-combatant assignment if he just "went along".

Instead, he stood firmly and squarely on the courage of his convictions, and the strictures of his faith.

He gave up his profession, his fortune, his very freedom. All he had to do was compromise his principals and his faith; he could have kept it all. Instead, steadfastly and honorably, he took his stand and faced the consequences.

Watch this, and tell me history has not proved him 100% correct. Watch this, understanding that Ali was perfectly aware of exactly what this was going to cost him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yMUgEJMEPs

Call him what you like. But "coward" is demonstrably wrong.

Reasoned argument, supported with facts and examples, respectfully offered.

Refuted with profanity and "nuh-uh! cause I say so" by internet tough guy.

meh

Threatened? Why on earth why I feel threatened ?

Your internet handle is a fictional character known for beating people to death with a baseball bat, you respond to reasoned arguments with profanity: you are the very definition of internet tough guy.

I gave reasoned arguments that Ali's actions did not qualify as cowardice, you responded with profanity and personal attacks. Your refutation of my argument consists of, literally, "Cause I say so!"

Ali didn't run. He felt it was wrong and he wasn't going to compromise his principles and he was willing to face the consequences for his actions.

Had he run, had he accepted the deals he was offered, "coward" could be applied. Standing up for what you believe is right and being willing to accept the consequences (which in Ali's case were substantial) is the very definition of courage.

Identifying yourself as a murdering psychopath and swearing at people over the of the internet?

Not so much.

Nothing about you scares me in the least, internet tough guy.

More insults and profanity, color me surprised. Your measure has been taken.

Once again, you will not address the points I made, just hurl insults like a monkey flinging it's own excrement.

2 of those WIAs are my Father and my Uncle. As a door gunner my Uncle earned two Purple Hearts, while having three helicopters shot out from under him. His thoughts on his service in Viet Nam ? "I killed people who didn't deserve it, for people who didn't give a shit about me." His advice (as well as my Fathers) when I broached the idea of joining the service after high school ? "Don't be a idiot"

Are you aware of the “Mischlinge” They were Germans with at least one Jewish Parent who fought for the Nazis.

Tell me "Bear Jew" if you were living in Germany in 1939 and your conscription notice arrived, would you have signed up and played your part in perpetrating the Holocaust ? Or would you have stood up and said "This is wrong and I will not be a part of it. Do with me as you will but I will not be a part of this.

We both know the answer.

You would have picked up that rifle, you would guarded the Warsaw Ghetto, you would have pushed women and children into cattle cars. Because you are "not a coward".

Guess what,"Bear Jew", it's possible to lose more than your career. By being a blind, amoral Nationalist it's possible to lose your humanity.

Governments the world over, for all of history, have been able to perpetrate the most heinous of crimes against innocents, because they have been able to depend on "not cowards" like you.

I'm done with you, internet tough guy. You have been measured, you have been weighed, and you have been found lacking. I'm sure it's not the first time.

Take your hyper-nationalism and your childish arguments somewhere else. I recognize them for the cowardice they display and the lack of integrity and morals they represent.