Maggie's Farm

"Illinois State Workers, Highest Paid In Nation".

This is the result of a powerful union coupled with a criminal political party. The middle class pays for this misappropriation of tax money.

"The Great Enrichment of the past two centuries has one primary source: The liberation of ordinary people to pursue the dreams of economic betterment".

THAT is the exact opposite of unions and criminal political parties. Unions are by design intended to take from the masses and give to the members. It is so blatant a heist that it must buy politicians and the MSM to facilitate and cover up the crime.

"...scientists, including those with expertise in the effect of carbohydrates on health and disease."

What effects? Like living and remaining healthy? There are only three categories/types of food: carbohydrates, protein & fats. Each of these food groups has a extensive activists lobby to denigrate it and make up pseudo-science about it.

But are carbohydrates "bad" for you and do they cause disease? Should we ban carrots and potatoes or just the refined carbs that are so popular to hate today? Where's the proof? I don't mean the outrageous claims by the food activists I mean "proof". The only proof we have about our food is the continuing increase in health and life expectancy at exactly the same time our food supply has become more diverse and available to all Americans. Like it or not we are all part of the largest experiment testing the nutrition value of Western food and the results are: It makes no difference what you eat (my lawyer insists I add that it makes no difference providing you do not have a genetic illness that requires a specific diet).

It's funny, I go into a modern American supermarket and I'm pleased and overwhelmed with the huge variety and amount of food, fresh, canned and even the highly processed food. In humans long history this is what we always wanted; good food, readily available and relatively cheap. But when the food activists enter the supermarket they are repulsed and scared by the carrots or the white bread (OMG). Go figure...

"If it were all genetics, then there would be no increase in diabetes and obesity-related diseases."

Thank you!!! There is no increase in diabetes and why? Because it is genetic. The rates of diabetes has remained the same.

A few years back the medical community acknowledged that about half of the people with diabetes did not yet know they had diabetes. Since diabetes is a serious disease and benefits from early treatment they undertook an effort to identify diabetics earlier. It was successful and they did indeed identify a million or so more diabetic individuals a year than in the past. But wouldn't you know someone decided to use this for somewhat fraudulent purposes. The "increased" rate of diabetes was simply labeled as "increased" diabetes without any reference as to why there were more cases. But in fact the rate of diabetes has remained exactly the same (as one would expect since it is genetic).

Whites or European descent have a relatively low rate of diabetes, while blacks have about twice that rate and native South Americans have about three times that rate. Interestingly the percentage of the American population that is white is slowly decreasing while the black and South American portion is increasing. This too increases the total percentage with diabetes (even though the rates haven't changed).

So when you read that diabetes in the U.S. is increasing it is a lie and you should brace yourself for the second big lie. Typically it will be that sugar/carbs are bad for you and are causing our diabetes to increase. About as often you will hear that it is related to the increase in obesity. It just depends on what the lying activists are selling that day.

But thank you for allowing me to prove my point. Even with what some people think is a terrible diet our diabetes rate has remained exactly the same. Even with the somewhat phonied obesity rates our diabetes rate has remained exactly the same. Diabetes is genetic, you get it from your parents and not your food. Diabetes is a serious illness and can be 'somewhat' managed by a specific diet so if you have it follwo your doctors advice. If you don't have it you should ignore the quacks and diet prostitutes and eat what you like.

Again, thank you. This is exactly what I have been saying. The rate of diabetes for each ethnic group isn't changing it is the way we gather statistics and the percentage of the ethnic groups that have high rates of diabetes that is changing. BUT the real story is the way it is reported. Make no mistake the CDC knows this. They know that the scary increase is simply because of the effort to identify previously unknown cases of diabetes AND because of the changing ethnic population. THE KNOW that when they put this misinformation out there that it is bogus. Why do they do it? My best guess and the nicest thing I can say on their behalf is that they hope the scare stories will help people to choose healthier lifestyles AND to get tested. I do fear that a lot of this misinformation campaign is about funding both by government funded groups like theCDC and privately funded and generally non-profit groups that depend on scare stories to get donations for their cause.

It is a second level, a more nefarious level of fraud where special interest groups use this misinformation to push their own pseudo-science, i.e. carbs cause diabetes or obesity causes diabetes. In many ways it is like the AGW scam. Quite honestly it worries me how easily scientists and government bureaucrats so easily slip into the propaganda role instead of reporting the truth.

"In other words, as America has gotten fatter, total rates of diabetes have increased."


A twofer!! The phony diabetes stats and the mostly phony fat American stats.

For reasons I have already stated the stats on diabetes are intentionally falsified. The rates have not changed but the numbers of undiagnosed have decreased thanks to great effort to identify diabetics at a younger age. And of course we have more of those ethnic groups that are genetically more prone to have diabetes. It is fun though to tie this increase in stats to your favorite whipping boy. I blame the increase on feminisim, NO wait I blame it on welfare, No No, I blame it on president Obama. Ironically those three things increased along with the increased stats in diabetes AND overweight Americans. Just as logical as blaming it on sugar/carbs etc.

As for the fat Americans: In 1998 we adopted the BMI measure to decide who is overweight and who is obese. Overnight the obesity rate doubled without anyone gaining a single pound. Since then the low information activists have blamed all our ills on our fat fellow citizens who as we all know are fat ONLY because of sugar or maybe it's HFCS, or it could be prepared foods or processed foods or whatever the whipping boy of the moment is. But whatever it is blamed on 90% of the fatties are a result of the change to BMI and not because of any actual weight gain or what we eat or GMO etc. As for the other 10% it is most likely due to less physical activity and more availability and cheaper food. Simple as that.

By the way I just finished eating an entire package of Oreos, one of my typical junk food snacks that I enjoy every night. Some nights its 8-16 ounces of chocolate and sometimes a big bag of chips. I have eaten four meals a day for 72 years and I'm not overweight and I don't have diabetes. How can that be if sugar/carbs cause diabetes and make us all fat???

Actually the so-called rising rates of diabetes track more clsely with global warming, welfare, and the Iraq war. There are a dozen more long term events that track with the increasing numbers of diabetes too. Why pick diet? Oh wait! That's right. Diet is your thingy so it must be diet. No doubt you even think global warming is caused by our crappy diet. After all that tracks too... Hmmmmm.

If it's diet explain why blacks in America have twice the rate of diabetes that whites have? I'm guessing you think blacks eat twice as much sugar or soft drinks. Hispanics have about twice to three times the rate of diabetes than whites do. Again, you probably think it is those tacos or something. Australian aboriginal people have four to six times the rate of diabetes than do whites. I guess that too is sugar or ho-ho's or something. Sooner or later you run out of excuses and other things to blame and realize it is genetic.

Right now in the U.S. we all eat the same "crappy" (or normal) food and yet still the rates of diabetes by ethnic group is exactly the same as it was 20 years ago and 50 years ago and 100 years ago. Can you really believe it is caused by what you eat???

Aha! I knew sooner or later you would invoke a version of Godwin's law. But it isn't racist to report the facts. Arguably it is mother nature or god who is racist (by your standard) for making some races more genetically prone to certain diseases. If you had a serious rebuttal you wouldn't need to resort to slinging BS.

But explain if you can why some races/ethnicites have higher rates of diabetes...

My explanation is that people who more recently were hunter gathers, like American Indians (including hispanics native to South and Central America), African blacks and Australian aboriginal people lived a life style that was inadvertently similar to how you can non-medically treat diabetes. This simply allowed those with the genes to survive to and past puberty thus assuring that they could pass on those genes. While Europeans lived a farming lifestyle which is not as conducive to suppressing the symptoms of diabetes and more importantly preventing the disease from causing early death. Survival of the fittest tends to weed out the week and the sick.

You cannot resist the temptation to "wrestle with pigheadedness" can you?

You don't seem to understand the relationship between cause and effect. The situation you describe is true for diabetics and untrue for people who are not diabetic. You don't catch diabetes from your food you get it from your parents.

"genetics are culture"
That and the rest of the explanation of that is pure pseudo-science gobbledgook.

"Diabetes also correlates strongly with cardiovascular disease" Absolutely true. Diabetes is a serious disease and shouldn't be treated lightly.

You have nothing new to offer. I have explained why there is no increase in diabetes rates and thus our change in diet could not possibly account for a non-existent increase in diabetes. But instead you offer more biased opinion about our terrible American diet and how it caused an increase in diabetes.

I pointed out that the rate of diabetes varies with the genetic ethnic groups and instead of explaining how that could happen you attack the messenger with ad hominem attacks.

I point out that your mistake, your fallacy was that correlation is not causation. And I provided numerous other correlations that were just as likely to have caused an increase if there had been an increase, some of which I believe were very thought provoking. And you are unable to respond to any of that.

You need a better source of information. You cannot depend on Gary Taubes or Natural news for information on health or diet. You are living inside an echo chamber and seemingly have never considered that there could be an explanation that is not based on superstition and bias.

I wish it were true! I wish there was magic food (or as Taubes says "good food, bad food". Diet, nutrition, food has been one of my interests all of my life. I was also once sucked in by the many guru's of diet and read voraciously all of the many books and magazines published by the guru's of diet. It failed to support their many wild ass claims. Perhaps if they had managed to keep out the most radical diet crazies who made most of those crazy claims of miracles and how doctors are all conspiring to keep us sick and how there is a magic food discovered in the Amazon forest that would bring eternal life and great health, perhaps I would still be sympathetic to their beliefs. But almost without exception when the food guru's speak they lie and are simply selling something. You need to open your eyes and your mind. Your diet will not save you or cure you. It does make a nice fairy tale and sells a lot of books but it is pure superstition and pseudo-science.

Well that's just great Zach. Your position is that a scientific source has determined that the known AND unknown cases of diabetes has increased!!?? How would they possibly know that the unknown cases of diabetes has increased???? You got some splaining to do...

Let me solve it for you. I made it quite clear what happened which was that the medical community in a brilliant decision decided to try to identify undiagnosed cases of diabetes because the disease is very serious and early care can make a huge difference. Brilliant!! I applaud the medical community on this. In the process they identified about a million MORE diabetics early every year. This skewed the stats. If you didn't know what they did you would easily believe that the diabetes rate was actually increasing. But of course it was not, we were simply reducing the numbers of unknown diabetics and simultaneously increasing the number of known diabetics. So far, so good. It was a good thing. BUT (and you had to expect this) various non-profit organizations and various somewhat dishonest scientists (dishonest by definition because they had to know the facts) used this very understandable and explainable increase in diabetes to push their agenda. They wanted money and attention for their cause. But there never was a increase in the diabetes rate!! It was all raw statistical numbers badly in need of an honest representation of what really happened. But it was also a great opportunity for those who would misuse this data to misinform the public.

The second factor (which allows "Gregg et al.," cover to make their dishonest claims) is that at the same time the percentage of the U.S. population of individuals/ethnic groups who are far more prone to genetic diabetes has increased while at the same time the percentage of the population which have low rates of genetic diabetes decreased so that the overall total rate of diabetes in the U.S. increased. Now these fine scientists KNOW THIS. They KNOW when they make these claims that they are playing around with statistical anomalies. The actual under lying rates never changed!! The African Americans and native Americans (North & South) STILL had genetic diabetic rates at twice what Americans of European descent have. The actual rates did not change.

In effect these fine upstanding scientists and special interest groups prevaricated to benefit their own interests. IMHO everyone of these "stretchers of the truth" should be required to attend 3 hours of ethics classes every year until they learn to tell the truth.

You either do not know the truth of this (which is understandable since there has been a huge effort to hide it) OR you do know the truth and need ethic classes yourself.

So you didn't bother to read what I wrote. Figures.

Let me say it again and hopefully you will read and understand it this time:

"The second factor (which allows "Gregg et al.," cover to make their dishonest claims) is that at the same time the percentage of the U.S. population of individuals/ethnic groups who are far more prone to genetic diabetes has increased while at the same time the percentage of the population which have low rates of genetic diabetes decreased so that the overall total rate of diabetes in the U.S. increased. Now these fine scientists KNOW THIS. They KNOW when they make these claims that they are playing around with statistical anomalies. The actual under lying rates never changed!! The African Americans and native Americans (North & South) STILL had genetic diabetic rates at twice what Americans of European descent have. The actual rates did not change. "

Do you understand what I'm saying??? Because of the changing demographics with more people prone to genetic diabetes in the U.S. every year it is indeed possible and in fact inevitable that when you test the population at large you will find an increase in diabetes. HOWEVER if you tested ONLY hispanics the rate would be unchanged. IF you tested only African Americans the rate would bbe unchanged. IF you tested ONLY native Americans the rate would be unchanged. IF you tested only Americans of European descent, the rate would be unchanged.
Are you getting the picture yet??? The scientists KNOW this. They KNOW they are dealing with a statistical anomaly which is the result of the changing demographics and NOT because of some fantasy diabetes epidemic.

The simple fact is if you're vested in this diabetes epidemic fantasy facts won't matter to you. You will happily jump on the statistical anomaly that supports your biases. In this way it is no different than your position on AGW.

I used "native Americans" in the context of all of the America's. That is the native Americans from South and Central America TOO. I did this to differentiate from the many people who live there too but are native to some other country. AND YES, ALL of the NATIVE Americans from all countries in the Americas have genetic diabetes at about twice the rate of those whose genetics come from Northern Europe. AND the numbers of "native Americans" from the many countries in all the Americas who have recently moved to the U.S. has skyrocketed in case you haven't noticed. So YES indeed the numbers of these people are in fact large enough to skew the total diabetes numbers and they have.

Oh I answered you but you are tone deaf. YES the experts, the prestigious scientists lied. They did it on purpose knowing the truth. They justify it by thinking it is a little white lie that they can support with statistics (a statistical anomaly that I explained in depth and you still do not understand). AND more importantly for these scientists "it's for a good cause". That is they justify their misrepresentation of the facts because they hope it will make people eat better and get more medical checkups. A "good cause" can't we all agree??? BUT it is still dishonest and worse it makes fools and charlatans believe their is magic food (and conversely of course; bad food). Thanks to the little white lie there are millions of people who spend billions of dollars on supplements and magic foods to keep themselves from this fantasy diabetes epidemic.

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