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Saturday, April 9. 2016Saturday linksThe real pain of imaginary illness Full-fat milk 'may drastically reduce risk of diabetes' - study Not to mention that it's the only kind of milk that tastes good 50 Things to Do in Europe Before You Die That is not my list Did you grow up in a bubble? These ZIP codes suggest you did 30% in and around metro NYC No he is not. He is indeed a fine man though - but many people quietly march through life with heavy burdens. Academic Drivel Update: A Real Hoax, Instead of Mere Fraud Attack on Free Speech: CEI Subpoenaed over Global Warming Skepticism Pure oppression by intimidation Moving On From Homosexual Marriage to Incest Criminal Psychologist Suggests PEDOPHILIA IS A SEXUAL ORIENTATION Well, it is Prof Wants UVA's 'Problematic' Mural Censored Because It Depicts Fun, Title IX Violations Why don't blacks believe that #BlackLivesMatter? Of course black people agonize about black-on-black murders, as does everybody. However, BLM is a political pressure group, not a caring group. BLM Organizer: ‘The Myth Of Black-On-Black Crime Is Just That — A Myth’ Bill Clinton Is A Horrible Person For Telling The Truth Regarding Black On Black Crime Or Something Free Trade as the Populist Bogeyman Newt Gingrich Nails the Washington Insider Problem AP Poll: Negative view of Trump nears 70 percent Europe, Don’t See Refugees as a Threat! "The bet being made today by the people in charge is you will accept a world of Exploding Mohameds." In Germany: Jan Böhmermann could face three years in prison for insulting Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan on the weekly satirical variety show “Neo Magazin Royale.” Free speech has enemies everywhere these days. Sad. Moving On From Homosexual Marriage to Incest
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QUOTE: Attack on Free Speech: CEI Subpoenaed over Global Warming Skepticism ... That wasn’t much of an explanation. The subpoena makes clear the reason: "ExxonMobil is suspected ... by having engaged or engaging in conduct misrepresenting its knowledge of the likelihood that its products and activities have contributed and are continuing to contribute to Climate Change ... " In other words, lying. For the sake of argument let's say the CEI is indeed lying.
Since when is lying, except under oath, considered a crime? However, they are not being prosecuted for lying. They are being prosecuted for disagreeing with the True Believers. And if this is successful, it may be used as a template to prosecute anyone who disagrees with the policies and opinions of the Ruling Class. feeblemind: Since when is lying, except under oath, considered a crime?
Lying to your customers, stockholders, and the public, is legally actionable. They are being sued, not prosecuted. By the way, the Competitive Enterprise Institute has used the civil courts extensively for their own purposes. feeblemind: They are being prosecuted for disagreeing with the True Believers. And if this is successful, it may be used as a template to prosecute anyone who disagrees with the policies and opinions of the Ruling Class. The lawsuit will only succeed if it can be shown they are lying, not merely wrong. Lying is legally actionable if someone is harmed. I can lie to my customers all day long about the nature of the sign on the front of my store by telling the Picasso did it for me. But that's not legally actionable.
In the case of Climate Change, it's easy for someone like you to make the case they are 'lying' because you believe the original lie that it's caused by man. So first, you have to PROVE beyond a shadow of a doubt that man is, in fact, the cause. Good luck with that. Yeah, I know you'll trot out all your studies that you've trotted out 500 times before that LINK climate change to man's actions. But even you have admitted there is no PROOF that man's actions are causing it, though you've brushed that off as immaterial since there is 'overwhelming evidence' (enough for you). Basically, this is an assault on free speech, and you know it. But you're such a Progressive shill, you can't accept that. You'd prefer to shut down anyone who disagrees with you. Because that's what trolls like you do. Time to leave your mom's basement, Z. Get a job instead of being a musician. Bulldog: Lying is legally actionable if someone is harmed.
Lying about your product to shareholders and customers can easily be shown to be harmful. Bulldog: So first, you have to PROVE beyond a shadow of a doubt that man is, in fact, the cause. No. You have to show, by a preponderance of the evidence, that they knew their product was implicated in climate change. Bulldog: Basically, this is an assault on free speech, and you know it. The tobacco companies lied about their products, and were held liable. If it can be shown that ExxonMobile was aware of the danger of their products, but hid that from the public, then they will be liable. Sure, lawsuits can have a chilling effect, but ExxonMobile is more than capable of defending itself.
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Zachriel
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2016-04-10 15:56
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How can you lie about something like "climate change" which is simply a hypothesis for which there is, at best, conflicting data?
Jim: How can you lie about something like "climate change" which is simply a hypothesis for which there is, at best, conflicting data?
In the right-wing echochamber, sure, it's jus" a speculative hypothesis. But in the reality-based world, the evidence strongly supports anthropogenic climate change. However, it isn't sufficient to simply show that ExxonMobile's products are deleterious, but that they knew they were deleterious and hid that fact from their shareholders and the public.
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Zachriel
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2016-04-10 15:59
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"By the way, the Competitive Enterprise Institute has used the civil courts extensively for their own purposes. "
Oh, the horror. No one in America ever does that for any good purpose, do they? It's always nefarious. There's are organisations that do something similar you might look up. They're called everybody. Z: In other words, lying.
What should we do with dame Clinton, then? QUOTE: Bill Clinton Is A Horrible Person For Telling The Truth Regarding Black On Black Crime Or Something Because pointing to the most extreme examples doesn't justify the punitive actions taken against broken communities, such as throwing people in jail for life for petty theft or possession of narcotics. The biggest problem with the U.S. political system is the inability to make course corrections. While strong laws against disorder may have made sense at the time, adjusting the law to account for unintended injustices can take a generation due to political gridlock and gamesmanship. Agree re jail for victimless crimes.
Also, mostly re drug legalizn. However, neither of those will do anything positive for dysfunctional subcultures - white or black. I'd like to know what you think is victimless.
prostitution? narcotics possession? When you're steering the Titantic, Zach, it's difficult to be spritely. How about decreasing the size of the Federal government by 50% and sunset 50% of the laws, rules and regulations nobody has read until some pol needs money or power? Then, if people still see the need for directing the herds of citizens, they can ask their state or local government to consider such.
I think the Black community is perfectly capable of addressing the behavior of its people IF they want to do so. Laws certainly haven't made on bit of difference in areas such as Chicago's south side. It seems ridiculous to put the life of LEOs at risk trying to protect a group of people who "never see nuthin'". Because pointing to the most extreme examples doesn't justify the punitive actions taken against broken communities, such as throwing people in jail for life for petty theft or possession of narcotics.
For drug possession, consider Who's Really in Prison for Marijuana? QUOTE: In 1997, the year for which the most recent data are available, just 1.6 percent of the state inmate population were held for offenses involving only marijuana, and less than one percent of all state prisoners (0.7 percent) were incarcerated with marijuana possession as the only charge, according to the U.S. Department of Justice’s Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS). An even smaller fraction of state prisoners in 1997 who were convicted just for marijuana possession were first time offenders (0.3 percent). Mere possession of a joint is not likely to lead to prison. Regarding your claim of "in jail for life..for possession of narcotics," consider the following.The numbers on the federal level tell a similar story. Out of all drug defendants sentenced in federal court for marijuana crimes in 2001, the overwhelming majority were convicted for trafficking, according to the U.S. Sentencing Commission. Only 2.3 percent—186 people—received sentences for simple possession, and of the 174 for whom sentencing information is known, just 63 actually served time behind bars. It would be wrong to suggest that simple¬ possession offenders never see the inside of a prison cell. Sometimes they do, of course. A few may be sentenced outright, even when no other charges or aggravating factors are involved. But there is also a range of other circumstances under which a simple¬ possession marijuana offender might receive a prison sentence. For example, this could happen if: • the marijuana offense was committed while the offender was on probation or parole; • an offender charged with a more serious crime pleads guilty to the lesser offense of marijuana possession but, as part of a plea bargain, is required to serve a prison sentence; • the offender has a criminal history, particularly one involving drugs or violent crime; • the violation took place in a designated drug¬free zone (such as on school property); or • the marijuana sentence piggybacks (runs concurrent with) the sentence for one or more other offenses; QUOTE: To generate a life sentence in federal court, a conviction would have to involve at least 33 tons of marijuana and additional aggravating factors, such as a leadership role in a continuing criminal activity. No one can get a life sentence in federal prison for marijuana based solely on the amount involved.24 One more time, the Z-Team preaches without knowing the facts. I would also suggest that had the Z-Team actually lived in a high-crime minority neighborhood, as I have, the Z-Team might have a different perspective.A few states—including Mississippi, Montana, Nevada, Oklahoma, and Texas—do, in fact, allow judges to impose a life sentence even for a first pot offense. Texas applies this provision only to trafficking offenses and to possession cases involving a ton or more of marijuana, and in Nevada, a life sentence is possible with possession of 10,000 pounds—five tons—or more. In the other states mentioned above, a first time marijuana offense can draw a life sentence only if the case involves the sale, manufacture, or cultivation of the drug, not mere possession.25 Gringo,
What are you going on about? Simple possession of cocaine in any amount can lead to significant jail time, and in some cases, can be combined with other crimes for three-strike penalties. As for marijuana, some states, such as Texas, include marijuana possession in their three-strike law. When you state "punitive actions taken against broken communities, such as throwing people in jail for life for... possession of narcotics.," and the number doesn't appear to be large at all for mere possession, you don't really have a point, do you? At least a point that is backed up by FACTS.
How many people WHO HAVE NOT PLED DOWN TO A LESSER OFFENSE are in jail for life for a first time offense of mere drug possession- any drug? By mere possession, I mean quantity of a kind that a drug consumer would consume in a single use. Inquiring minds want to know. Gringo: When you state "punitive actions taken against broken communities, such as throwing people in jail for life for... possession of narcotics.," and the number doesn't appear to be large at all for mere possession
The numbers YOU provided concerned marijuana possession only. Here's an analysis of three-strikes in California. About half were for non-violent crimes. http://www.lao.ca.gov/2005/3_strikes/3_strikes_102005.htm
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Zachriel
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2016-04-10 09:00
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Gringo: How many people WHO HAVE NOT PLED DOWN TO A LESSER OFFENSE are in jail for life for a first time offense of mere drug possession- any drug?
It is likely that some were pled down from more serious crimes.
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Zachriel
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2016-04-10 09:06
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are you misrepresenting the law or lying intentionally?
three strikes laws and enhanced sentencing are complex issues that you clearly no very little, if anything about except the bullshit superficial analysis you use to make bullshit conclusions. you know nothing of how the criminal justice system actually works on a day to day basis: prosecutorial discretion, how prosecutors actually charge offenses, sentencing negotiations, or even what can constitute a first, second or third strike. you don't seem to know what felonies Texas excludes from strikes or what a California Romero motion does in a third strike case where the long term sentence is demonstrably unfair (and a factor in favor of the criminal is actually a long term addiction to controlled substances). I don't believe knowing much less presenting accurate information for you matters, because it just gets in the way of whatever lies or frauds you're spewing. Donny "The Bear Jew" Donowitz: three strikes laws and enhanced sentencing are complex issues
Yes. This is your opportunity to enlighten our readers, rather than flailing at the subject. Donny "The Bear Jew" Donowitz: you don't seem to know what felonies Texas excludes from strikes See Rummel v. Estelle where Texas sentenced someone to life for a $230 fraud. Since then, Texas removed mandatory life from its three-strike law, permitting the jury to decide on life imprisonment or a sentence of 25-99 years. Donny "The Bear Jew" Donowitz: California Romero motion does in a third strike case where the long term sentence is demonstrably unfair Note that the law allowed a three-strike penalty. It was the state court that intervened. Other states have not had a similar court ruling.
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Zachriel
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2016-04-10 09:14
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you don't know enough about this issue to talk about it. I signposted issues and cases and you googled them because sure as shit you never heard of them before. any teenager could do that. that's not debate.
I'm not saying you're stupid, I' am saying you're a mouthpiece for whatever your cause du jour is and like every mouthpiece, you can comprehend at the level of talking points but no further because you're not interested beyond that. that doesn't work on sites like MF where you get called on every pontification you make, every misstatement, every lie, every unread cite you give (where "every" = "all'). fish/barrel.
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Donny "The Bear Jew" Donowitz
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2016-04-10 09:58
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Zachriel: This is your opportunity to enlighten our readers, rather than flailing at the subject.
Donny "The Bear Jew" Donowitz: fish/barrel In other words, you got nothing to add to the discussion.
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Zachriel
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2016-04-10 11:12
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pointing out your misrepresentations and habitual practice of lecturing without having a firm and grasp on the subject is more than enough. we like our adversaries ignorant.
I educated you on Romero style limits on three strikes laws, and don't lie and say you knew what a Romero motion was until I schooled you on it.
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Donny "The Bear Jew" Donowitz
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2016-04-10 15:21
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Donny "The Bear Jew" Donowitz: we like our adversaries ignorant
That's where we differ. Good luck in your quest for ignorance.
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Zachriel
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2016-04-10 16:09
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Texas Implements Three-Strike Law For Marijuana Related Charges: The Texas Legislature has passed a controversial three-strike law for all drug related charges including the possession and distribution of marijuana and all other illegal class one substances.
http://nationalreport.net/texas-implements-three-strike-law-marijuana-related-charges how about you act like you want to be taken seriously and cite the texas statute?
is that too hard? Sec. 12.42
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Zachriel
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2016-04-10 11:33
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Here's an example of the use of the habitual offender law in Texas:
Texas lawyer defends 16-year sentence for candy bar theft http://www.deseretnews.com/article/753644/Texas-lawyer-defends-16-year-sentence-for-candy-bar-theft.html?pg=all
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Zachriel
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2016-04-10 11:41
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Kenneth Dude Payne III was on on parole for felony theft and TEN PRIOR CONVICTIONS- three of which were felonies. That is how you get "habitual offender" pinned on your back.
This example doesn't support your claim about "throwing people in jail for life for petty theft," as Mr. Payne was sentenced to 2 years. A jury trial gave him 2 years, which an Appeals Court confirmed. JUDICIAL DISTRICT COURT OF THE STATE OF TEXAS, APPELLEE, SMITH COUNTY, TEXASPER CURIAM. QUOTE: Kenneth Dude Payne, III ("Appellant") appeals his conviction for theft for which a jury assessed punishment at imprisonment for two years and a fine of $10,000.00. Appellant raises three issues on appeal. We affirm. The Appeals Court affirmed his sentence of 2 years. Not lifetime or 20 years or whatever: 2 years. I suspect that Mr. Payne's incarcerations are related to some mental health problems. De-institutionalization of publicly funded psychiatric hospitals has unfortunately resulted in a lot of people being sent to prison who in previous years would have been residing in psychiatric hospitals. The hope was that with medication, they would be able to function outside of the psychiatric hospital setting, but it hasn't turned out that way. Without medication, they often end up in prison. Kenneth Dude Payne III is apparently not currently in the TX state prison system, so it appears the two years for a candy bar may have had a salutary effect on him.
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Gringo
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2016-04-10 14:23
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Gringo: This example doesn't support your claim about "throwing people in jail for life for petty theft," as Mr. Payne was sentenced to 2 years.
He was originally sentenced to 16 years. He was given a new trial due to jury misconduct. After an international outcry, the new trial resulted in a 2 year sentence. If you consider jury misconduct and an international outcry to be part of the system, then the system worked.
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Zachriel
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2016-04-10 16:07
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When some little girl gets killed in thug crossfire, everybody agonizes.
Full-fat milk 'may drastically reduce risk of diabetes' - study
Not to mention that it's the only kind of milk that tastes good Grown humans still prefer processed bovine lactation injected with hormones for which there is no health benefit and in which there is scant to no nutritional value? As far as full-fat milk maybe kinda decreasing diabetes, weight loss mitigates diabetes and there is no better diet for stable, healthful weight loss, apparently, than the zero animal product diet. Oh hey, remember how the rightist blogosphere was all abuzz recently when it seemed that the vegan diet increased colon cancer or something? And remember all the shrieking and back-clapping about Science! and its powers to seek, inform, confirm bias, and boost lifestyle and cultural signalling? Turns out it wasn't so. It wasn't so to the degree that the researchers involved have flatly disavowed the mainstream media's sensational, food-faddist revision of the findings. Too, it seems the nasty things in the Western diet - even including Western-style vegetarianism - harm folks from traditional ethnic diets. I know, right? http://indianexpress.com/article/lifestyle/health/vegetarian-diet-does-not-increase-cancer-risk-researchers-clarify/ Science! I look forward to the inevitable debunkage of this pop-sci, pro-rightist filler. I also look forward to rock-ribbed rightists - in the desert of actual conservative thought and action that is the US lately - issuing responsible corrections. Any day now. Because Taubes and beef and burnt ends and the known cancer-fighting powers of Carl's Jr. and whatnot. Scant to no nutritional value?
Calcium. Protein. Fats. All good things for the body. ...and lots of nice growth hormones. Anyway, those are myths. There is nothing special about animal milk that makes it either superior or necessary. Protein and calcium are simply not deficient in 100% animal-free diets, and fat is wholly superior from non-animal sources.
This may disagree with rightist tropes about mom, apple pie, and evil governmental food edicts, but it's still fact unrelated to the baggage sturdy cultural rightists* may hang from it. Without a zero-milk control, the whole-milk-cures-diabetes foolishness just reflects a cottage industry ginning up reinterpretations of data about popular culture. Processed whole milk is just less unhealthy than processed part milk. Diabetes is caused by excess fatty calories. Does that jive with whole milk curing it? https://youtu.be/Nujyif7MkMA *as opposed to what one naturally assumed were "...inquiring, skeptical, politically centrist, capitalist, anglophile, traditionalist New England Yankee humans, humanoids, and animals** with many interests beyond and above politics." **animal agriculture is unnecessary, wasteful, and cruel, notwithstanding its residual emblematic importance in times of rote dogmas about presumably traditional culture and values. I would be very afraid of the misguided and perhaps unconstitutional crusade against so-called deniers. This may well bite the warmies in the butt before all is said and done. If the Warmies cannot prove their facts (and the evidence shows they cannot) and if they have colluded to hide or defraud the facts (and the evidence shows that they have) then it is they who would be eligible for RICO charges. There has been massive and prolonged hiding of data and tampering of data by the warmies and if this becomes a court case discovery could bring this all to light in a way that would imply a criminal conspiracy on the part of the warmies. This legal action is fraught with danger.
In his favor, Cavuto does have MS. Not sure to what degree as it varies so much (based on an immediate family members experience and what I've read). I like Cavuto but amazing, I think not.
My bubble score is a 56, for whatever that is worth.
And, unrelated, in my opinion it doesn't matter what Bill Clinton SAYS; but what he did, that makes him a horrible person. That's one good reason to NOT elect his wife - Bill running around the White House with no responsibilities is just trouble waiting to happen. I thought I'd look through the 50 things to do to see how many I've done.
I noticed the picture of David was not of THE David, but a copy which sits outside the Palazzo Vecchio. Just sayin' I only did 14 of the 50, with 4 more to be crossed off this summer. I'm surprised they didn't have cross the Carrick-a-Read rope bridge, since they were up at the Giant's Causeway...but c'est la vie. Of the 14, I took liberties. I had high tea at Harrod's, having been a lowly student, I couldn't afford the Claridge, but I figure I'll get there someday. Also, I didn't do the tour of the Troubles in Belfast, but I did just about the next best thing because I actually visited several Northern Irish towns on July 12th. I saw many murals of Bobby Sands and the other IRA paintings all over - it's still fairly common though the violence has more or less ended. The real creepy thing are the cemetaries. The gravestones all have pictures on them. You can see the person staring back at you - usually if they were killed by the IRA, they got a prominent gravestone. Of course, we visited a few Catholic ones, too and they do the same thing (though the political statements are quite different). "The real creepy thing are the cemetaries. The gravestones all have pictures on them. You can see the person staring back at you - usually if they were killed by the IRA, they got a prominent gravestone.
Of course, we visited a few Catholic ones, too and they do the same thing (though the political statements are quite different)." An enamelled picture of the deceased is also fairly common in Mediterranean Catholic (and Orthodox) cemeteries. Personally, I do not find it creepy. It sends the message: I too was once a person just like you. Re: the 50 things. What amused me about it was how light it was. Although I had done many of them in the course of living and travelling in the region, those were not my 50 either. We noticed on the trip we just came back from that we disliked most of the tourist "must do's" we included on our itinerary. In general these items are picked because they involve eating, drinking, visual stimulation, perhaps a brief thrill. Totally non controversial. Most are just backdrops for selfie snapping trophy tourists who are more interested in new pictures of themselves than the places they visit.
The lists didn't include studying Iberian church wall paintings of Christian martyrdom by Moors in the Middle Ages, or Templar castles/monasteries. Or celebrating Easter Mass as a Protestant visitor in a Gothic or Romanesque cathedral w a glorious choir, incense, and procession of bishops, with a bishop homilizing about how the Church must reach out in love to the broken hearted and help single mothers raise their children to love God, visit the lonely widow, etc. We saw this on a two week trip recently where shopping and boozing tours by others were on packed busses while we unexpectedly got private car tours of glorious historic castles and churches because only we had signed up... "Or celebrating Easter Mass as a Protestant visitor in a Gothic or Romanesque cathedral w a glorious choir, incense, and procession of bishops, with a bishop homilizing about how the Church must reach out in love to the broken hearted and help single mothers raise their children to love God, visit the lonely widow, etc."
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