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Sneering at New York values isn’t very smart for conservatives.

No, it is not smart. City-dwellers are Americans too, and need to be talked to intelligently and respectfully. Persuade them:

Eighty percent of voters live in cities, and Ted Cruz needs them.

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Cruz is past his best-by date.

He looks like a guy whose real job was 20 hours a week painting rental boats at an amusement park.

Sanders looks like a bankrupt laundromat owner in his lawyer's outer office.

Hillary is more dangerous than we give her the Clinton Machine credit for. People that go against that machine end up dead or with a case of leprosy.

She looks like Salt Chunk Mary, a fence, a dealer in stolen goods. Salt Chunk Mary had all the "nos" and none of them ever meant "yes". She named a price heavy and cold as a cop's blackjack on a winter night and that was it. She didn't name another. Mary didn't like talk and she didn't like talkers.

#1 chasmatic (Link) on 2016-01-17 15:32 (Reply)

From amidst our lurkers and commenters, a writer emerges!

#1.1 Bird Dog on 2016-01-17 16:07 (Reply)

Cruz is no more "conservative" than the O. In fact, his attitude and background are very similar: I'm the smartest guy in the room and who cares about a bunch of stuff written over 250 years ago, so STFU! I won. My rules.

#2 jma on 2016-01-17 15:54 (Reply)

Trump is the master of the low blow (which is why today he is not a developer with his own money but just sells is name, no one will trust him with their money). Cruz knows that in the world outside of the tri-state (I live in CT) New York means Mike Bloomberg (not favorably), Angry Andy Cuomo, and a whole lot of people at the top who have low opinion of flyover country.

Ted has now responded to the Donald pointing out how sorry he is that New Yorkers have to live with their government (even if Preet Bahara is doing his best to put them all in Jail!) If no one else remembers I do that the Donald has donated money to them all, invited all of them to one or more of his weddings and truly tried to be one of them. Now he's pretending to be an outsider.

#3 DirtyJobsGuy on 2016-01-17 16:08 (Reply)

I'd like to hurl a few insults my self but I am afraid they are all taken. Can't we all just get along (Not bloody likely).

#3.1 Dorf on 2016-01-17 18:26 (Reply)

A mistake to say it in the campaign, but I agree with Cruz. New York is awful. Horribly over taxed and regulated.

New York city survives as a financial center and Disneyland for the rich. The suburbs do okay because of the commuters. Upstate really feels the brunt. I drove from PA to Colgate last year. Crossing from prosperous eastern PA into western NY was like entering a third-world country.

#4 NJSoldier on 2016-01-17 16:37 (Reply)

Goodness, the names we "Flyover People" get called, often by New Yorkers... And we don't like it either.

#5 Elizabeth Crain on 2016-01-17 18:01 (Reply)

I'm not sure exactly what Cruz meant by "New York values" but as somebody from John Rocker land, I did find it amusing that when somebody talks disparagingly about New York City in only the most modest imitation of the manner some of those people from NYC talk about everybody else, they sure do suddenly get mighty thin-skinned.

#5.1 Jerryskids on 2016-01-17 19:03 (Reply)

New York Values:
Bill DeBlasio
David Dinkins
Michael Bllomberg

Chuck Shumer
Hillary Clinton
Robert F Kennedy

Jerrold Nadler
Charles Rangel

I do understand that people from New York might take offense when anyone who isn't from New York speaks the truth about them. But it wasn't an insult and it certainly doesn't apply to everyone from New York. Probably if Obama could run for a third term he would carry New York City and maybe the whole state. Because for a lot of people Obama represents New York values.

Get over it.

#6 GoneWitrhTheWind on 2016-01-17 18:31 (Reply)

Reagan won in NY

Don't forget about me. I live here too.

#6.1 The NJ on 2016-01-17 19:01 (Reply)

New Yorkers seem to be the only people in America that don't know what is meant by New York values. It was New York values that elected Clinton and Shumer as senators. It's not a personal insult. It's a description of how different NYC is from the rest of the country.

If Trump had accused Cruz of having Texas values Texans would not have been offended.

#7 Jack Walter on 2016-01-17 19:29 (Reply)

Manhattan and the left coast are the engine that drives America into the ground. The pseudo- cultural mavens push the ever daring themes of depravity that are poisoning us all. The smartest kids in town push themes of Marxist delusion with hundreds of millions of tombstones in the background. The banksters keep deriving more complex schemes to leverage our wealth accumulated over centuries of hard work into useless paper.
Cruz may be intemperate and may not win the election, but he's exactly right. Trump's another blowhard phony from Manhattan.

#8 bill on 2016-01-17 21:10 (Reply)

New Yorkers are resilient, and Trump jumped on that.

I'm still looking for other positives.

#9 Assistant Village Idiot (Link) on 2016-01-17 23:46 (Reply)

New York Values are a real thing. But you can't be from New York and see them. You have to be transplanted, or be visiting, or somehow sitting on the outside.

For me, it was best epitomized freshman year at Syracuse, where I was in a late night bull session and several NYC denizens stated that New York was the greatest city in the world.

I was from rural PA. I asked "Why?" I'd been there, and it's a great place, but greatest?

I was then provided a list of reasons. I can't remember them, but it was a very long list and included things like points of view which could only be related to by a New Yorker. Then someone pulled out the New Yorker map "View from Ninth Avenue" by Steinberg.

To me, that summed it up. To New Yorkers, New York is everything. The rest of the world exists in tiny portions by comparison because everything you need, and everything you need to think, is here.

Do politicians need to be sensitive? Sure. Cruz was not wise to speak the truth when so many people can be 'offended' by a statement of truth. He's not Trump spewing all kinds of nonsense without worrying about blowback.

But denying New York Values is just one more New York Value. Hypocrisy. It's heavy here, and it's embraced everyday. Success, regardless of how it is achieved, makes all sins go away. It's what makes New York "great".

#10 Bulldog on 2016-01-18 09:19 (Reply)

I am not sure why this matters. New Yorkers won't vote for Cruz in any event.

BTW, the latest example of NYC 'values'?

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/manhattan/manhattan-guyfi-booth-men-relieve-stress-article-1.2499002

#11 feeblemind on 2016-01-18 10:04 (Reply)

New York values, California values, blue-city values, call 'em what you like. They don't work, and I'd like a president who knows why.

#12 Texan99 on 2016-01-18 10:13 (Reply)

Well, Cruz didn't say anything about city dweller values, he spoke of NYC values. And enough people from NYC speak condescendingly of others to make that stick.

But NYC values are also those where the city dwellers vote to impose their ideas on the Upstate New Yorkers, such as gun control. Or for that matter when the mayor of NY sent his agents to violate federal law "investigating" North Carolina gun retailers.

Or the ban on fracking in NY which is imposed by the NYC values upon those living outside the city. Although, as to this, it may be as Paul Graham observed, NYC rates people by their wealth, and the NYC denizens probably don't want the upstate rubes getting rich and displacing them. It's bad enough that in a town where a person's value is based on their wealth, the wealthiest person in the state is a Koch brother.

And in the rest of the country, experience with New Yorkers (city) is they are always going on about how much better NYC is that where they are at, but the bastards won't never seem to move back to NYC. Don't worry, Californians are becoming just as bad. If it is so great, move back, at least after you retire.

#13 JK Brown on 2016-01-18 12:15 (Reply)

And let's admit it. Ted Cruz was tapping into the salsa enthusiast constituency.

"New York City!"

#14 JK Brown on 2016-01-18 12:16 (Reply)

I have a problem with Seattle, Chicago, New York, Detroit, SF, DC, and every other liberal city values, they are what is really wrong with this country moreso than anything else.

And their (the liberal cities) influence on the governing of this great nation will one day lead to the end of our republic IMHO.

#15 AFY on 2016-01-18 12:21 (Reply)

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Sneering at New York values isn’t very smart for conservatives.