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Thursday, April 18. 2019

Holy Week, Maundy Thursday


"The Last Supper" is thought to have been a Passover seder. That supper was the source of Communion: "For as often as you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord's death until he comes again."


In our church, we remember this event with a group Passover supper on Maundy (Middle English, "holy") Thursday, eaten in silence. No wine, though, as a consideration to the abstinent.


Below, Bassano's Last Supper (1542), depicting the reaction to Jesus' prediction that one of them would betray him.



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Maundy Thursday gets its name from the Latin word mandatum, which means "commandment." Near the end of the Last Supper, after Judas had departed, Christ said to His disciples, "A new commandment I give unto you: That you love one another, as I have loved you, that you also love one another."

Also Known As: Holy Thursday, Great and Holy Thursday (used by Eastern Catholics and Eastern Orthodox)
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#1 Ortho on 2011-04-21 12:44 (Reply)
Maundy from Middle English via Old French via Latin.
#2 Bird Dog on 2011-04-21 12:53 (Reply)
And why not no food, as a consideration to those on a diet?
#3 Big___Al on 2011-04-21 21:14 (Reply)
You are not a Christian if you don't drink wine. Jesus commanded his disciples to drink wine in remembrance of him. You might remember the wedding at Cana, too. If there are people at your communion feast who won't drink the wine (and hence are not Christians), you should ask them to leave.
#4 bob sykes on 2013-03-28 08:49 (Reply)
we orthodox Christians do not consider it just wine.
#4.1 wirraway on 2013-03-28 13:07 (Reply)
It's still Lent. Many people (including me) abstain during Lent though not the rest of the year.
#4.1.1 Texan99 on 2019-04-18 07:52 (Reply)
Live and let live. At my church, we serve wine and grape juice for communion, your choice. Our pastor is an ex-alcoholic, so he always takes the grape juice.
#5 Park Slope Pubby on 2013-03-28 13:11 (Reply)
I'm Jewish, and a retired Navy officer. Back in ... 1988, I think, the first Passover Seder was on the evening of Maundy Thursday, and so many of the devout Christians wanted to wangle invitations to the "Last Supper" Seder that the Rabbi at Subic Bay Naval Station hosted it at the Subic Bay Officers' Club.

The Seder begins, in commemoration of the Jews' Exodus from Egypt, with everybody dressed to travel. Coats, hats, walking shoes.... In my case, my flight jacket and my fedora. (Yes, it was warm in Subic, but.... TRADITION!)

A Seder doesn't just involve wine; it involves FOUR CUPS of wine. It was a marvelous and ecumenical celebration of both religions.
#6 Ken Mitchell on 2013-03-28 22:15 (Reply)
It's after Picasso The Musicians
http://www.pablopicasso.org/images/paintings/three-musicians.jpg

I noticed the dog's feet right away as a kid.
#7 rhhardin (Link) on 2014-04-17 10:09 (Reply)
"If there are people at your communion feast who won't drink the wine (and hence are not Christians), you should ask them to leave.
#4 bob sykes"

I was walking across a bridge one day, and I saw a man standing on the edge, about to jump off. So I ran over and said "Stop! don't do it!" "Why shouldn't I?" he said. I said, "Well, there's so much to live for!" He said, "Like what?" I said, "Well...are you religious or atheist?" He said, "Religious." I said, "Me too! Are you christian or buddhist?" He said, "Christian." I said, "Me too! Are you catholic or protestant?" He said, "Protestant." I said, "Me too! Are you episcopalian or baptist?" He said, "Baptist!" I said,"Wow! Me too! Are you baptist church of god or baptist church of the lord?" He said, "Baptist church of god!" I said, "Me too! Are you original baptist church of god, or are you reformed baptist church of god?" He said,"Reformed Baptist church of god!" I said, "Me too! Are you reformed baptist church of god, reformation of 1879, or reformed baptist church of god, reformation of 1915?" He said, "Reformed baptist church of god, reformation of 1915!" I said, "Die, heretic scum", and pushed him off. -- Emo Phillips
#8 vanderleun on 2014-04-17 11:06 (Reply)
The complete routine here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjQTiD3tzAk
#8.1 Assistant Village Idiot (Link) on 2018-03-29 15:47 (Reply)
Heh. When they're not preaching about the finest food and international accommodations around here, they're preaching about the sacred mortification of gym membership. I hear it makes life hard and life must be hard so what's a guy to do when selling all that you have and giving to the poor is right out?

And if not that then it's the holy killing of the Animal of the T-bone because vegans are Satan, or it's the number of eyelets on Jesus's $325 lightweight GoreTex hiking shoes.

Religion is a funny thing among the hidebound Epicurean. Just take my wife; no, take my wife.
#8.2 Meh on 2018-03-29 17:10 (Reply)
I take Gospel references to drinking wine as pretty good indicators that Christ wasn't interested in making everyone in the whole world a teetotaler. It's less clear to me that there aren't people who really shouldn't drink. It's impossible for me to imagine that anything Christ said could be interpreted to mean you can't follow Him without drinking wine. Talk about missing the point! He knew that people customarily drank wine, and told them, whenever they did it, to remember Him as they did so. This act of commemoration has developed into a worldwide variety of Eucharistic rites over the last 2,000 years. The literal presence of wine has got to be almost the least important aspect.
#9 Texan99 on 2014-04-18 15:32 (Reply)
Cheers!
#9.1 Richard on 2018-03-29 15:09 (Reply)
Before the late 1800s, everybody - EVERYBODY - drank alcohol as a matter of course, because all the water was polluted. You want a miracle? Modern plumbing with clean fresh water on tap.

In beer, there is strength.

In wine, there is truth.

In water, there is bacteria.
#9.2 Ken Mitchell on 2018-03-29 20:09 (Reply)
And who knew they had Brittanies in Jesus' time. Just shows that bird hunting is a holy pursuit.
#10 Dennis on 2018-03-29 15:28 (Reply)
I’ve often wondered how Jesus was with animals. There are stories about St. Francis and birds fluttering around him. I believe dogs have keen sense for bad people, especially if they are raised by decent people.
#10.1 B. Hammer on 2018-03-29 16:49 (Reply)
Dogs are people. Or people are dogs.

Bird Dog
#10.1.1 Bird Dog on 2018-03-29 19:20 (Reply)
A proper seder - which we will have tomorrow night - requires four cups of wine. An abstinent seder would be like an abstinent Purim.
#11 Ken Mitchell on 2018-03-29 20:03 (Reply)
Jesus twice raises a cup to say something about himself. The most frequent opinion given is that when Jesus makes the statement about the New Covenant, he is raising the third cup, called the cup of redemption, the cup of blessing. This is not explicit in the text, but its placement after the meal makes this likely.
#12 Assistant Village Idiot (Link) on 2018-03-29 21:01 (Reply)
Jesus met with the caterer and said, "For Thursdays meal there will be thirteen of us but I want a table for Twenty six." The Caterer said, "And why would you want a table for twenty six?" "Because we are all going to sit on the same side.?
#13 CAPT CRAIG (Link) on 2019-04-18 12:00 (Reply)

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