Maggie's Farm

Some excellent points about conservatism.


This is the foundation of conservatism.


Thomas More (by Robert Bolt): "Oh? And when the last law was down, and the Devil turned round on you — where would you hide, Roper, the laws all being flat? This country's planted thick with laws from coast to coast — man's laws, not God's — and if you cut them down — and you're just the man to do it — d'you really think you could stand upright in the winds that would blow then? Yes, I'd give the Devil benefit of law, for my own safety's sake."


There's certainly some truth to this. Half of the Left's ideas are half-baked (but which half?). The conservative argument is that change always has unintended consequences, and so change should be well-considered and moderated.


Ah! The essentiality of liberalism. Mere conservatism would have left the world mired in feudalism.

The contraceptive mandate seems a pretty trivial example, chosen, presumably, because it is current. After all, government regulates what speed you can drive your car, what goes in the walls of a new home, stops you from dumping pollutants into the water, and taxes some of your income for the social security of the previous generation. Notably, it's the current liberal change that causes conservative consternation, while previous changes, the ones that have stuck, have become the accepted institutions.

Meaning Russia would occupy Poland.

mudbug: Europe is being invaded by Muslims, there are Muslim enclaves in major European cities that are ungovernable by the "host" government

Muslims will be integrated into the broader culture — which is what worries fundamentalists. Terrorism is used to cause an overreaction, and drive people apart.

mudbug: there are Muslim enclaves in major European cities that are ungovernable by the "host" government

Where exactly?

mudbug: I would say that when a group gets away with rape for an extended period of time such as Ratherham or Swedish Muslim ghettos

If you include organized crime, then that includes nearly everywhere. Notably, even though law enforcement failed for a time in Rotherham, once brought to light, the law was enforced. There was no no-go zone.

mudbug: ... or areas where the police claim they need permission from local Muslim leaders to patrol those ares, they are ungovernable in the normal sense.

Where exactly?

Anon: One wonders what sort of person would so blithely explain away the Rotherham "situation"

Because if it was a no-go zone, then there would not have been prosecutions and jail sentences for the perpetrators of crimes.

http://www.lep.co.uk/news/local/claims-of-muslim-no-go-areas-in-preston-absolute-tosh-say-police-1-7618630

mudbug: Some police in England say there are no-go zones

Yes, and some police think the moon landings were faked. Unsourced quotes from a tabloid doesn't constitute strong support for your position.

That some neighborhoods are dangerous is almost certainly the case, however, the claim is that they are no-go zones. The single specific you provided resulted in arrests and convictions, so clearly the force of British law applied.