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Tuesday, October 6. 2015
Obama or not, the world is not America's sandbox. Most of the world does not think like Westerners, much less think like Americans, and they never will see life through our eyes.
Furthermore, while the American people like the idea of being the world superpower, they have not been particularly enthused about geopolitical adventures and military maneuverings in minor places since WW2 - none of which have ended very successfully anyway (eg Korea, Cuba, Southeast Asia, the Muslim world, Nicaragua, Ukraine, etc.). Reagan's pressure for the dismantling of the Soviet empire was a success without a single military death, but the result is less than beautiful except for a few ex-eastern bloc nations.
The argument is always that X is critical to America's interests. Really? Syria? Ukraine?
Syria has been a Russian client/ally for a long time. Some good points here: The Mind of Mr. Putin
If you wish to debate, first tell me a few places in the world which can not be construed as "critical to US interests." (I'll use "critical" meaning worth going to war about.)
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As a global power and global trader, the US is apt to see its interests everywhere.
The US is prone to see evil in other powers seeking their own interests. Rightly or wrongly, all great powers seek to extend their powers and influence.
I'm not knowledgeable on international politics nor geopolitical adventures, so no debate from me.
What interests me is the way Putin stepped up and made moves in Syria, and spoke at the UN and requested that the US stay out of his way, he's going in to Syria.
The charisma and comparison with our POTUS has been in play for some time now but the timing on this one and the actions (inactions) of our leader have some folks admiring a leader with chutzpah. I wish he'd been born in Boise.
Putin is a patriot. Obama is an embarrassment.
Putin is, of course, a self-seeking kleptomaniac, which is another way of saying he's a Russian politician.
One of the better Russian politicians in fact. And a patriot.
Mrs. Putin is a looker.
You might read https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/why-we-shouldnt-let-russia-fight-the-islamic-state/2015/10/05/ad77beda-6b6c-11e5-aa5b-f78a98956699_story.html
Opinions, especially inexperienced ones full of cliches, come cheap, but international politics is not a game for isolationists to play head in sand about.
If the ME didn't have trillions of dollars in oil they would all still be living in tents with rug floors and probably happier. The money has been used for outrageous luxuries by the leaders and for killing people. When you see ads on American TV's to ask for donations to feed children in India and Africa I can assure you that the people in the ME don't see those ads and they don't give money to feed the poor. They have a single focus because their religion is focused on one thing and that is total domination; the caliphate. This well funded and committed enemy is at war with the rest of the world and they intend to win. Make no mistake a total destruction of the world by nukes would be considered a win by them. This is what they believe will bring them world domination.
We have no interests in the Middle East except for Israel. God will bless those who bless Israel and curse those who curse Israel; period, end of story.
Wow, we've never had any benefit from stopping communism in their clear effort to liberate all the world from personal property and freedom?
The defeat of fascists in 1945 was required to preserve our freedom and property rights.
The same applies to Islam, the third ideology to express unequivocally that they intend to conquer the world.
I fully expect the government of the United States to proactively engage enemies of our way of life as soon as they are identified. The sooner one eliminates a threat, the less costly it is. Early on it would have been possible to take the Ayatollah out saving many, many lives, including Iraqi and Iranian.
The position espoused ignores reality and invites destruction of our fundamental human freedoms.
You did not read that post. It said since WW2, and said except Reagan.
Bird Dog, perhaps you should re-read the post:
First, it posits only several major incidents and ignores others, second it ignores the beneficial impacts even of those it mentions, and third it omits the many other positive impacts of our global presence that avoided catastrophes or created major gains.
To mention just as few:
First and second, the Korean war allowed Japan to redevelop peacefully, Vietnam allowed the rest of Southeast Asia to develop, Cuba embargo and Nicaragua allowed the impedence of militant marching Castroism and Soviet proxies elsewhere in Latin America (aside from bleeding Cuba/Soviets in Angola).
Third, we avoided the fall of Italy and Greece and France to communist regimes in the late 40s, we established peaceful commerce throughout the world that lifted all others and our economies, we provided a model for other countries to follow, at least in their aspirations, of freedom which has given hope and some progress to many millions.. and we lived in secure peace until under Carter we allowed the Ayatollah in Iran determinbed to conquer the MidEast and dominate the world and under Clinton we let our guard down leading to 9/11 and what has followed.
Throughout the decades from WWII, our strength and willingness to employ it has kept us free and prosperous, versus weakness in the past decades sapping our resources and will.
"the Korean war allowed Japan to redevelop peacefully"
How do you come to that conclusion Bruce? Are you saying that without the Korean War Japan would NOT have developed peacefully?
And if that is the case how could Taiwan have developed peacefully with Communist China just across the strait?
I don't believe your arguments for Greece and Italy are relevant, I believe we are talking armed interventions here, iow Americans shooting at an enemy.
As for Cuba, how about the Bay of Pigs and how we betrayed the invaders and how that led to the nearly catastrophic Cuban Missile Crisis?
It was our fleet in the Straits of Taiwan that allowed it to withstand the shelling of Quemoi and Matsu by the Bay of Pigs.
mainland China and has kept mainland China from ever again trying to conquer Taiwan.
Exactly, it was inexperienced John Kennedy and his band of theorists (who also overthrew Diem and created chaos in governing S Vietnam, leading to our heavy commitment to pull it from the fire) et. al.whose lack of resolve that weakened and undermined the landings at Bay of Pigs.
It was our creation of NATO and our funding anti-communist forces that pulled Italy, France and Greece back from the brink as the unified communists were against fractured anti-communist and democratic parties.
Pardon the screwed up sentences. I have a new laptop with which I am having a difficulty of moving phrases around in a paragraph.
Mr. Kessler, unaccustomed as I am to public speaking I can only offer "Opinions, especially inexperienced ones full of clichés ..."
All the sterling accomplishments you mentioned are in the past tense. Our "strength and the willingness to employ it" are but fading memories of the way it was. You know. When that generation was being the greatest.
"You don't win any ball games on yesterday's home runs."
There. Trite and clichéd but true.
I agree. It is not through lack of resources (although that plays a key role as the drawdown after the fall of the Berlin Wall has seriously restricted our ability to carry out missions properly) but through lack of will that our more recent poor results have come.
Since there's not limit to the 'potential' enemies, that is a pretty much a guarantee of perpetual war. Even the designation of who is a potential enemy is extremely subjective and varies with who is in power.
For more than a hundred years, the US stuck close to the ideals of the founders and stayed out of other nations' issues. Since FDR, we've become quagmired in one local issue after another.
In the totality of the Arab Middle East, since the end of WWll and long before, they have offered absolutely nothing to the world,
except for the natural resource in the ground they had nothing to do with.
It's our regret as a modern society, that we haven't the will power or the brain power to release ourselves from a dependency on that energy, and retire them as a whole to the only commodity they offer to the rest of the world.
A lifetime supply of sand for the worlds golf course bunkers.
They're a collective, backward embarrassment to the onward journey of the rest of the human race.
Flush and hold the handle down till completion.