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Sunday, October 4. 2015
The upside is that it provides an avenue to an easy and costless feeling of virtue. Either that or, in some municipalities, protects you from a garbage ticket. We have noted that most recyled garbage ends up in landfills anyway.
Now, even the NYT is willing to point it out: The Reign of Recycling
Yes, it is a religious rite.
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Talk about "feel good", I am collecting empty water bottles and turning them in for refund in CA - HI - ME - OR - CT - NY. Make a nickel for each one. I have a storage shed that I was able to empty out and therein lies my collection.
Not only do I collect my own empties, I have asked my friends and neighbors to give me theirs. Once and a while I hire some Mojados to work the parking lots at Wal-Mart and K-Mart. I tell them anything of value they find is theirs, I just want the bottles. I think maybe they are cruising for stuff left in the cars but, hey, none a my business.
I reckon my shed is about half full now, and I am already planning a trip out to California with a trailer full of the empties.
I should come away from the effort with two, maybe three hundred bucks. Huh, not bad for such little effort. And I get to feel a moral boost by saving the planet. You know, where they line up all the empties and it reaches around the world. If everybody buys that water filter they're advertising it'll sure cut into my income.
I need some advice. Do you think I should advertise on the internet? Maybe on forums like this one, something like "Send me your empty water bottles and save the planet".
Er, sorry Donnie, I won't be needing a lawyer just yet. Maybe when I go nation-wide I'll seek your services.
you don't need a lawyer, you need a shrink.
Hey, BJ, that reminds me of something my uncle Letsgo "The Bantam King" Lozko said:
As for the bantam chickens, those little sumbitches are the living descendants of velociraptors. I wouldn't be messing with 'em.
Bambiraptor would be a better choice, for a mind like yours.
Donny: thanks for taking the time to read my comments.
Why do you keep taking cheap shots at me? You don't act this rude with any of the other commenters.
Why don't you just come out and say what it is that bothers you about me instead of making snarky remarks?
you don't know what a Bambiraptor is, do you?
Well, no I didn't but I took time to look it up:
Bambiraptor is a Late Cretaceous, 72-million-year-old, bird-like dromaeosaurid theropod dinosaur.
Hmm, perhaps Uncle Letsgo's bantam chickens are descended from them. Thanks.
I used to teach this stuff to environmental engineering students. The best single measure of the total environmental impact of an activity or thing is its cost. Nearly anything can be recycled at some cost, but the recycling does not at least break even then the recycling itself is harmful. The general rule is, Will someone pay me for this stuff? If the answer is, Yes, do it. If it is, No, don't do it. You are likely doing harm to the environment.
Here in the Central Highlands of Ohio (aka Knox Co.), we only get paid for aluminum.
The local recycler will take lead, copper, iron, paper and cardboard, and plastic bottles off your hands, but they won't pay for it.
Interesting... down here by the river, they'll pay us for Al, Cu, Fe, Pb, and a few other oddments, but not the glass, plastic, or cardboard. (They used to buy corrugated and newspaper years ago but not anymore).
An effect of barge transport perhaps?
I have sold metal for recycling for 40 years and will continue to believe it is a good idea.
the funny thing about 'recycling' is that the trucks pull right into the landfills and offload the plastic, paper, glass in broad daylight, but at least they are sorted when they are dropped into the hole.
It's about the money, always is, and recycling serves no practical purpose. So, a "feel-good" solution for which we taxpayers have to pay. Spend all day collecting plastic bottles and earn less than minimum wage.
"The next time you say, "Coca-Cola", just remember that in the one second it took you to say those two words, 200 plastic Coke bottles were dumped in a landfill somewhere in the USA -- 200 every second, 700,000 every hour, 17 million every day, more than 6 billion every year -- all at taxpayers expense.
Plastic bottles always suck, even if they're being recycled. That's because the energy it takes to recycle them is mind-boggling. It's no simple task to melt down all those bottles, and the plastic is usually degraded in the process and often can't be used for food-grade products again.
“When you compare recycling with pumping oil out of the ground, using its established production and distribution system, it’s hard for recycling to compete, From the manufacturers’ point of view, oil’s a safer bet.
The amount of steps--not to mention electricity, water and manpower--that need to be taken to go from a bale of plastic bottles into safe, useable material is pretty staggering."
"According to the plastics manufacturing industry, it takes around 3.4 megajoules of energy to make a typical one-liter plastic bottle, cap, and packaging.
"Making enough plastic to bottle 31.2 billion liters of water required more than 106 billion megajoules of energy.
"Because a barrel of oil contains around 6 thousand megajoules, the Pacific Institute estimates that the equivalent of more than 17 million barrels of oil were needed to produce these plastic bottles.
A local grocery store used to take plastics for recycling, and my (now ex) wife used to dutifully clean, sort, and haul all our plastic recycling there. She stopped after driving around the back of the grocery store to collect some boxes, and saw an employee tossing the plastic recycling in the trash. He told her that they'd always done it that way.
Yup, to the trash they go.
I'm on the road a lot and I often see flatbed 18 wheelers with bales of cardboard. I have tracked them going into the Portland Oregon area (not sure exactly where). But I have tracked them coming from Idaho, Nevada, Utah and California. I can guess what the value of scrap cardboard would be as a source for remaking it into new cardboard or paper and it doesn't make economic sense. A 800 mile trip on an 16 wheeler must cost more in fuel, wages and wear and tear on the truck than the cargo is worth. I doubt the paper recycler and the paper mill is taking a loss so I assume the taxpayer is paying the difference between the actual value of this product and the expense to get it there. I also assume most recycling is heavily subsidized by the taxpayer. So does it make sense to burn 200 gallons of diesel fuel to recycle cardboard boxes?