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Sunday, July 12. 2015
I am glad the issue has been raised. In my wanderings around New England, I see white trash people with tatts and strange body rings lollygagging around all day, and entire black families getting in the way of the Mexican landscapers trying to mow the "lawns" of welfare housing projects on a sunny weekday. A strange sight. The blacks make fun of the Mexicans for working, and the Mexicans despise the blacks.
The Asian (I mean real Asian - Chinese, Koreans, Singaporeans, Vietnamese, etc) legal immigrants are middle-class or more. They tend to arrive with education, skills, and some assets. However, I am not sure that they know much, or care much, about American values or traditions.
What's going on? Around here, the illegals work. Not so in many other areas, I know. Gangs, drugs, welfare, etc. Sometimes, this doesn't feel like "my country" anymore, and I know I am not alone in this.
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holy shi'ite! next thing they'll be allowing ze Jews in the neighborhood.
Outside the main cities 95% at least of people you see here in U.K. are white British, I kind of like it like that.If I call for a service here (plumber etc) then the person that arrives is always british born and delivers the service I pay for,as for wanting to be enriched by foreign cultures a little goes a long way.When I visit family in America I am bemused by the in many places multi cultural throng, even Utah a place I've visited for 35 years has changed massively,I'm not sure how to take it.
...I'm not sure how to take it...
I recommend a few grains of salt and a pint.
It's because you are in New England and not in a border state. Go visit Arizona, Southern California, Texas, etc. and you will see the damage being done.
When I see hispanic adults doing yard work for a living, I tend to think: that's where all the teen jobs went. We are pushing teenagers out of the workforce and letting in undereducated foreigners. Is that really what we want? An underclass of immigrants doing lawn work for 40 years? I don't see that as the ideal in America.
I want to see young people doing those jobs and then moving up and out of those jobs when they get an education or skill. Sadly, many immigrants do not even have a high school diploma, so all they can do are these basic jobs like maid, lawn service, etc.
As for the low-life losers that DON'T work...the only way to fix that: get rid of these overly generous benefits. They should only be for a limited time...no matter your sob story or circumstance. Education and retraining should be offered to at least get them into a basic job after the 2-year period ends.
As for all those 'disabled' adults who have 'back pain' and 'depression,' these people should have to pass a re-screening every year in order to stay eligible for benefits. No lawyers a 2nd time around. If you've already qualified once, you should need help of an attorney to keep your benefits. All you would need it to re-establish that you cannot work or cannot be retrained.
"Sadly, many immigrants do not even have a high school diploma"
I spent 12 years reviewing workers compensation claims in California. About 1/3 are Hispanic and most of those are illegals. They claim second grade education in Mexico and most are illiterate in Spanish, let alone English.
Do you live in a alternate universe? Children or teenagers do not do yard work or any work for that matter. They are blessed with couches, I pads, computers, games and I phones.
Doing actual work is not a option. Parents approve of this as
it keeps the little snow flakes out of their hair. Working is a capitalist no, no.
I have 4 kids. 3 of them are over 16 and have driver's licenses. All 3 worked. 2 worked during the school year. All had summer jobs. Sorry you have lazy kids with no ambition. In our house, if a kid wants to drive a car, he has to have $$ for gas and be working.
For what it's worth, my two boys work, but getting a job has nothing to do with illegal immigrants "taking" jobs.
When they found jobs, and were younger, they had to get paperwork from the school - working papers. I had my first job at 13, and I didn't need working papers. Of course, I also did babysitting, mowed lawns and did odd jobs. In my suburb, all these jobs have been taken by entrepreneurs. All lawn and odd job work is handled by professional crews (who may or may not hire illegals, I don't really care or pay attention since I cut my own lawn). Babysitting is still a teen thing, though young people have banded together at the YMCA to set up a 'cooperative' to manage it.
More to the point, though, the BIGGEST problem with teens and finding jobs is the minimum wage. While I know many people "like" the minimum wage because it "helps" people - it does nothing of the sort.
Very few head of households earn minimum wage.
All the minimum wage does is make it difficult for business owners to hire untested, inexperienced, and seasonal workers. If I can hire a teen at $6.00 an hour for the summer, versus having to pay $7.50 an hour due to law, I'm going to hire someone I can train and keep on for longer. The cost of getting someone up to speed, in most jobs, is incredibly expensive and difficult.
Teens are shut out not because of illegals, but because of a variety of reasons - some regional in nature, most not.
In my area, many are coddled (my sons work, they have friends who do not).
Others will not do manual labor (my sons still mow the lawn and weed the garden with me, and do some minor carpentry work when I do DIY stuff), they want 'real' jobs or easier jobs. My boys have both worked maintenance at the local pool, not an easy job compared to the lifeguards who get regular breaks, and get their jobs because their parents' know the Board.
Minimum wage locks them out of some positions. My boys tried to get jobs at a new store opening in town, but they only hired adults, because they couldn't afford to pay for school-age seasonal workers.
Many jobs have been automated. Cost of paying for some positions is expensive. Where I grew up, teens could earn cash as crossing guards during the school year. Today, they have lights in place, it's cheaper. I notice my local Burger King and McDonald's have automated ordering now, too - and very few teens working there (a side effect of the minimum wage).
It's interesting to think of teens and the issues of finding jobs as "lost to illegals" - I'm sure there are instances of this, but I don't think it's common. In fact, I'd say it's very uncommon in most areas.
It probably is the state you live in with a stupidly high min. wage. Go to a state where they rigidly stick to what is required by law and no more.
In my area, the kids work at all the fast food places, the grocery stores as baggers and more, restaurants as dishwashers and servers, at Walmart as cashiers, the local 'farm store,' the local movie theater, etc. There is opportunity. The businesses are fine with kids who can only work after school and in the summer and seem to do just fine.
It's great! I love that my kids have these opportunities. Small town America is where you can still find what America used to be. Highly recommend you move to a redder state and a smaller town!
No, my state does not have a stupidly high minimum wage, only the federal minimum.
Yet, nationwide, the teen employment rate is at lows, including my state.
Yes, many of the jobs you mention feature teens here, too. But by and large teens are being priced out of jobs across the nation because of the minimum wage. It's a simple fact, you can't raise wages by fiat without having detrimental effects.
We're seeing this in states where, as you point out, they have raised it 'too far'. But we're seeing it in states where it exists as a federal minimum. Take a look at teen rates of employment from the 60's onward and you'll see it dropping.
Here's the bottom line - minimum wages do not help anyone except the lucky few who keep their jobs. Even then, as the above article shows, it may not help them because either prices go up, or jobs get cut, or some combination of both.
The difficult part is that empirical evidence is hard to come by - but for a reason that is often overlooked. The increases in the wage have often been small. It's like tossing a pebble in the pool. You know the water level rose with the introduction of the pebble - you just can't tell by how much. It's imperceptible. But it did, and you know it did.
The problems of teen employment have its roots outside of immigration. For many years, out in the east end of Long Island (without much of a teen population back then) businesses used to bring in Europeans for the summer. I remember visiting the Hamptons and Montauk and being served by Irish, German and British college kids. Back then, the shortage of labor resources and heavy tourist traffic made shipping in foreign workers for the summer worthwhile. Now that the East End is more heavily populated (and there are barely any illegals, comparatively), this is far less common. Yet teens struggle to find work. Why? Because the businesses out there can't afford to hire untried seasonal workers in large numbers.
In 1982, my best friend and 2 other fellows worked as busboys one summer in Southampton. They made enough to pay their rent, buy bikes and surfboards, pay for gas, and come back to college with enough money for 2 semesters. You can still do that today. IF you can find the jobs.
"As for all those 'disabled' adults "
Isn't that what the death panels are for? A merciful, good death?
Of course they don't starting with our current President. You think he's ever been to a Forth of July parade, fired off fireworks, sang God Bless America, been a Cub or Boy Scout, been camping, seen Yosemite....?
MICHELLE OBAMA: "Barack knows that we are going to have to make sacrifices; we are going to have to change our conversation; we're going to have to change our traditions, our history; we're going to have to move into a different place as a nation."
And it's happening right in front of our faces, Constitution be damned.
The problem is welfare and free stuff. Eliminate all welfare and replace it with a workfare program. Anyone, no proof of poverty required (proof of legal residence would be required), can work for a day a week a month for the rest of their lives on workfare. Pay minimum wage, deduct SS and taxes and let the states run the program. Our welfare state is broke and it is destroying families and inititive.
Why don't we trade Mexico, man for man, blacks for Mexicans? We could then sell the Mexicans to the wiser Asians who don't share the stupid American PC mentality.
This would also put our children to work, clean out our prisons, and make our cities livable once again. (and rid us of rap music)
I think you've lost your tolerance for other people.
"I see white trash people with tatts and strange body rings"
Tatts and body rings do not equal white trash.
"However, I am not sure that they know much, or care much, about American values or traditions."
If they want to work and build a better life for themselves and their family, what else do they need to know?
Almost all Asians that I have met are hard working and value education and advancement for their children.
I would suggest that it was never 'your' country.
We are almost all immigrants here. Our parents and grandparents only understood that if they worked hard, they could make a better life for themselves. That was (and is) the American Dream.
America also belongs the the hard-working immigrants who would rather work at any job than collect welfare.
so I was catching the BoSox - Yanquis game on ESPN last night with a friend a a local bar. to sure, my friend is Totally White, ex USAF, salt of the earth, owns a nice house. the bar chick was also white, manager of the family owned bar, which was also white, because the bar didn't have tats and wasn't on disability. I think they don't allow Asians (I mean real Asian - Chinese, Koreans, Singaporeans, Vietnamese, etc).
anyway, we saw this TV commercial for "farmersonly.com", which purports to be a dating site for, yes, farmers. I noticed that the farm chicks in the commercial were all White. no schvartzes, mexicans, real asians, filipinos. so I said to my friend, "you know, Herr Hilmer, that dating site is actually set up as a wet dream for white supremecists. I bet every one of those chicks just came back from lighting off fireworks or a Fourth of July parade." The sound was off but I think they were mouthing God Bless America.
I asked the bar chick if I were White enough to date one of those farm girls, and she said, "no, not if they've got American values or traditions."
I think the Sox won. Amiright?
Because nothing says "white privilege" so much as farm labor.
About half of the 50-60 New York hippies I knew who moved to Vermont to become farmers in the 70's were Jewish. As for shiksa dating, I think you will find that NYC per se is more of a barrier around here than Jewishness. The former may have owed something to the latter in its formation, but it ain't the case now.
Whenever I'm with people who work, it feels like "my country" to me.
so, he's wandering around New England and cheesed off because someone else is lollygagging?
whatever happened to the WASP work ethic?
Regardless of where I am, I always feel like I'm in the U.S.
I've worked for a Spanish-language company and spent tons of time in Miami. It's basically the 'capital' of Latin America - but I loved it. I had to travel to many of our offices, particularly in border cities. I'm familiar with the issues in those areas (my step- sister is married to a lawyer who is Mexican, now a U.S. citizen and living in a border town). While she is a Progressive, we get along great, though she clearly has misguided notions about what we're giving away. Either way, it's fun visiting those areas and I miss that job (oddly, I'm no longer with that company because 2 white Americans moved into management and ruined it. The naturalized citizens who ran it were much more in tune with the business. Maybe that's why I'm a bit more forgiving...)
I have no stomach for tatted-up creeps, but to each their own. Most people are doing that today, so it's hard to avoid. Still, I've worked with Hindus from India, Chinese from Hong Kong, Mexicans, Cubans, Brazilians and Argentinians (some legal, in my corporate jobs, others not so much - all were terrific).
I don't know what American culture and values are, to be honest. They tend to vary from place to place. The one thing that seems pretty common, though, is that if you work hard and are willing to put yourself out there, you'll succeed regardless of who you are. To me, that's America.
I wish we could accept that, but some people simply can't handle change. My whole life has been about change, so I've stopped worrying about it.
In my opinion it isn't "change" that is the problem.
The problem is that "I" and every other working citizen has to pay for these people who are brought into the country to be Democrat voters. Our taxes go up to pay for schools, welfare and police for these people who are supposedly here only because they want to work hard. Where is the consdieration for the citizens??? We supposedly are the "owners" of this country and we are being rousted and robbed by the politicians fighting over the hispanic vote. Our children are being denied higher education because a certain percentage of students MUST be hispanic or other minorities regardless of their qualifications. Our nieghborhoods are being overrun by gangs who sell drugs and destory our childrens lives and all of this is in the hope that these new immigrants will vote for Hillary and her fellow fascist/socialist Democrats. Is THAT the change we must handle?
Taxes are robbing me and more and more they are being wasted. We are now looking at dramatic increases in gasoline taxes because those revenues were diverted to light rail and other city transportation needs. Rarely are these expenditures justified except to provide jobs for union (Democrat) workers. The entire political system is corrupt, immigration, legal and illegal has reached invsion proportions. And you and I are expected to pay for it all. Our childrens future has been stolen. All of those Cuban refugees you see playing dominos in Miami are getting full SS pensions without ever having to invest in SS. Thank a Democrat for that. Meanwhile we hear that SS is going bankrupt. Our military is being cut to the bone. This is exactly what made Japan and Germany think they could actually win WW II and dominate the world. Without a strong military Russia or China will jump in to fill the void. When that happens most people will be totally ignorant of the role that welfare spending and illegalimmigration played in that scenario
If we are to remake this country in the mold of a banana republic then it should be a concious decision and not a back room plan by socialist whose goal is to sieze power.
Sadly it may not matter. The die is cast and for better or worse we are all going to be living in Baltimores and Fergusons within our lifetime. Ironically because the treasury has been looted and the country mortgaged to the hilt it is likely that it will be so much worse soon that just improving life to South Chicago standards may seem pleasant. The left has screwed us and Hillary will go down in history as the new FDR.
I agree with you on all points. But I consider that a different discussion. That discussion, to me, is about giveaways at every level, which we have far too much of.
Immigration is a completely separate issue, though because the giveaways are directed to illegals now, it has become inextricably combined. Which doesn't mean they can't be unwound - it just requires political will. That, however, means having a backbone.
Illegal Immigration in 2015 is hurting our country.
Stop defending it.
Stop whining about it.
Stop parsing America's history.