Maggie's Farm

you know nothing about how the first amendment works here. the government will not wander into the quagmire of defining orthodox Christian or Jewish dogma.

do you believe that you have a right to be married in an Orthodox Catholic or Roman Catholic church or a Jewish synagogue? I'll make it easy, you don't. more specifically, not even Roman Catholics have an absolute right to be married in the church unless they conform to doctrinal rules. A "marriage" between two gays would be a nullity from the beginning, not recognized by the Church anywhere.

now, if I ran a "christian" wedding chapel for profit, or were a member of any of the tens of thousands of protestant denominations that have no particular dogma and have performed gay marriages in the past, I'd be worried.

there are always threats to take away the tax exempt status, and my dogs always bark at strangers. who can tell the difference?

I expect children to throw tantrums. I don't think they're effective.

I'll reconsider if you find one time a federal court has redefined orthodox Christian doctrines, or if you can explain convincingly why you think you have a right to be married in an Orthodox Catholic church.

because "schools" and "hospitals" receive fed funding but provide distinct services than "worship".

Catholic hospitals will shut down before they offer abortion services to comply with federal mandates as a condition of receiving federal money. but the Catholic parish on the street corner isn't receiving federal money to operate.

the USSC has held since the 1870s that the first amendment requires the government to defer to church authorities on doctrinal issues and in the RCC, OC, same sex marriages are just not possible because of doctrine. that's a complete nonstarter. there was a case in California where the Episcopal Church and the breakaway Anglican Church in North America were dueling over TEC property held by ACNA congregations and the courts there bent over backwards to avoid getting into theological disputes.

if there's one thing that would unite Jews, Christians, Mormons, puss'n' Buddhists, saturday saints, islams, even protestants, its the threat of the government writing doctrine for faith groups. even if a church is friendly to the idea of gayster marriage, it is so because of its internal decision; the rule that the government can tell a congregation what it must believe (that's what doctrine is) is too much of a threat not to fight with all guns blazing. also note that these are often politically powerful, well funded, well represented entities. while the ACLU could run over Ye Lil' Chapel o' the Tilt Up Construct, taking on mainstream religion over this fundamental issue is a fail.

I don't know how to make this any plainer. I can't get married in the Catholic Church because I'm not a baptized, practicing member. This isn't a civil rights issue, this has never been a civil rights issue, it will never be a civil rights issue. Period.

so all of you unwind.

your understanding of the first amendment issue is fundamentally wrong.

as far as I know, no church in the US is the direct recipient of government funds to perform religious services. that is the lever the fed uses to try to force christian hospitals to perform abortions services.

there is no right for anyone, gay or normal, to be married in an orthodox church, unless the church itself deems it so and the government cannot interfere with that, regardless of what gays or the ACLU wants to believe.

a church that opens its separate parish hall to the public might have a problem, probably will. so the solution is either stop making them public or just accept gay weddings (this isn't a church wedding even if its on church owned property).

the solution for the privately owned wedding chapel whose owners don't want to serve the gay would be affiliate with some church like the baptists, and adhere to their rule that marriage is between a man and woman only.

mostly wrong.

a for-profit wedding chapel will be required to perform gay marriages, why would they not want to?

a church with an established doctrine where marriage is between a man and a woman cannot, under the first amendment, be forced to marry gaysters. the USSC has said for almost 150 years that the government must defer to churches on matters of church teaching. the idea that the government could order the Russian Orthodox archbishop to perform gay marriages is beyond laughable.

churches that take a casual approach to matters of faith and morals (permitting gay marriage, solemnizing gay marriage or gay unions), you're on your own. you're probably in the ACLU cross-hairs already.

Re Unpaid Internships



no, bullshit. they're "given" because a company knows a dumbass kollege kid values his or her time as $0/hr and it's willing to oblige this fantasy.

I'd tell a kid, the value of your work is $x/hr. either the company is going to get $x or you are going to get it from some other outfit.

I assume, from long experience, that every potential new hire is about equally trained and equally worthless. what I'd rather see is anything that shows a work ethic. and to me, while a work ethic can be demonstrated by any job it definitely includes knowing the value of time.

no shi'ite. why are you people surprised? your own Jesus told you that you live in this world but are not of this world.

grow a pair, for the gods' sake. your church thrives when it's persecuted.

re Identity Politics

"These of course are just the symbols."

for your basic libtard, its only about the symbols. under their twisted logic, eliminate the General Lee model car, and racism is dealt a fatal blow. it's easier to complain to walmart than try to fix work disincentives or lower the number of single parent (meaning, fatherless) families.