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Sunday, February 8. 2015

A too-easy target for mockery


Obama made his foolish and condescending prayer breakfast talk a too-easy target for mockery. Surely unintentionally - I believe he thought he was conveying an important perspective about tolerance and understanding to us benighted, ignorant citizens. Our moral and intellectual superiors, of course.


Best comment was from Bobby Jindal: "The Medieval Christian threat is under control, Mr. President."


Best on-air rant was from Scarborough.


Best wrap up of the topic at Hot Air: High horses and bull puckey: Professor Obama’s history lesson a dud

Posted by The News Junkie in Hot News & Misc. Short Subjects at 08:57 | Comments (27) | Trackbacks (0)

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Maybe his point was it's wrong for Christians to defend against Muslim aggression and expansion.
#1 b moe on 2015-02-08 10:16 (Reply)
There are two possibilities:
1. This is what he believes,what was taught in his anti-American, anti-white church. This is not all that uncommon especially amongst those who don't consider themselves to really be American.
2. He inadvertently showed his hand. He is in fact the Manchurian candidate and was put in power to bring down this country. Knock us off our high horse. Bring us to justice that we deserve forour past sins.

I'm not sure which of these makes me feel better. I am convinced that some time in the future when it is better understood everything Obama and his minions have done that we will conclude to not have impeached him was America's biggest mistake.

One of the things I am suspicious of is Obama's dealings with Iran. If in a year or two Iran provides the nuke that brings down Tel Aviv will there be an Obama/Iran connection? Will history show that the Obama administration facilitated or enabled Iran to commit the supreme terrorist act? And what wil that mean for the politicians of today who could have stopped him but were more concerned with their reelections than they are with statesmanship. I believe that the Obama administration is the most corrupt in history and the most anti-constitutionalist as well.
#2 GoneWithTheWind on 2015-02-08 10:46 (Reply)
I can't help but wonder. Is there a point below which, if Barry can drive us there, where Mr. Soetoro will be satiated will the damage done and get off our backs?
#2.1 John the River (Link) on 2015-02-08 12:28 (Reply)
This article is long, but worth the time. Bibi is coming to the U.S. for one reason: to stop Obama's secret (and one-sided) deals with Iran.

http://mosaicmagazine.com/essay/2015/02/obamas-secret-iran-strategy/
#2.2 jma on 2015-02-08 15:46 (Reply)
The News Junkie: Best comment was from Bobby Jindal: "The Medieval Christian threat is under control, Mr. President."

Actually, cross-burning as a form of racial intimidation is in living memory in the U.S., and Christians have committed genocide in recent history.

QUOTE:
Obama: And so, as people of faith, we are summoned to push back against those who try to distort our religion -- any religion -- for their own nihilistic ends. And here at home and around the world, we will constantly reaffirm that fundamental freedom -- freedom of religion -- the right to practice our faith how we choose, to change our faith if we choose, to practice no faith at all if we choose, and to do so free of persecution and fear and discrimination.
#3 Zachriel on 2015-02-08 10:54 (Reply)
Cross-burning; you talkin' 'bout the KLAN. The Kluxers, remember, were Democrats. I suppose not all of them are, now, but they are a highly marginalized and fairly small group these days, of whom we hear but little. I'm pretty sure that if the KKK were on the march, it would not (NOT, No Way In Hell) be ignored or suppressed by our major and minor media. I note that I'm not hearing or seeing anything about it there; or anywhere, recently (last year or so, likely more).
#3.1 Sam L. on 2015-02-08 11:18 (Reply)
Sam L: I suppose not all of them are, now, but they are a highly marginalized and fairly small group these days, of whom we hear but little.

But were an avowedly Christian terrorist group within living memory.
#3.1.1 Zachriel on 2015-02-08 12:31 (Reply)
The Klan did promote violence for religious reasons and they had the support of Democrat politicians and government officials. Because of this, their acts were much closer to the violence that is committed by Islamists. Just as it wasn't all Christians - Republican Christians and many Democrat Christians did not participate in it or support it - it isn't all Muslims who are fomenting violence (though from polls I've seen, the percentage of Muslims who support Islamist violence is much higher than Christians who did).

One might ask why Obummer didn't bring up the fact that Democrat Christians were responsible for horrible violence and they shouldn't get on their high horse and judge others (Republicans) in their dealings with others (Blacks). But that would be telling the truth - something with which he have only a passing acquaintance.
#3.1.1.1 mudbug on 2015-02-08 14:48 (Reply)
People say they are Christians, even quote Scripture, but when they do evil in God's name, they are violating the Third Commandment and this is a sin God will not forgive.

Contrast with Islam where murder is not only permitted but required in the name of Allah.
#3.2 JK Brown on 2015-02-08 15:29 (Reply)
JK Brown: Contrast with Islam where murder is not only permitted but required in the name of Allah.

Now you got it! Christians through history have said that killing others is required by the Bible. For instance, Martin Luther quoted scripture to support the persecution of the Jews.
#3.2.1 Zachriel on 2015-02-08 15:38 (Reply)
Maybe you can provide the reference (book, chapter, & verse). It seems unlikely that the holy book of the Jews would argue to persecute them.
#3.2.1.1 mudbug on 2015-02-08 16:23 (Reply)
mudbug: Maybe you can provide the reference (book, chapter, & verse).

Luther wrote 65000 words on "The Jews and their Lies", citing the Bible throughout. His basic contention was that the Jews were in league with the devil.

Here's a few excerpts.
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/anti-semitism/Luther_on_Jews.html

Here's the text.
http://vho.org/aaargh/fran/livres9/Luthereng.pdf
#3.2.1.1.1 Zachriel on 2015-02-08 20:16 (Reply)
It seems most (all?) of the references in the first link you gave are to the Pharisees and Sadducees. Jesus was out to reform the corrupt "Jewish establishment" (to use the current vernacular) and so they were bad guys.

In any case, whether Luther was an anti-Semite is immaterial. That some Christians were hated Jews for killing Jesus does not refute JK Brown's point that the Koran requires killing (e.g. non believers, homosexuals, Jews, etc.) and the Bible does not.
#3.2.1.1.1.1 mudbug on 2015-02-08 21:59 (Reply)
mudbug: It seems most (all?) of the references in the first link you gave are to the Pharisees and Sadducees. Jesus was out to reform the corrupt "Jewish establishment" (to use the current vernacular) and so they were bad guys.

Feel free to read the entire text and point out where Luther was wrong. Luther is one of history's foremost Christian theologians. By any reasonable definition, he was a Christian, yet he advocated persecution of Jews based on his reading of the Bible. His words have inspired antisemitism unto today.

mudbug: That some Christians were hated Jews for killing Jesus does not refute JK Brown's point that the Koran requires killing (e.g. non believers, homosexuals, Jews, etc.) and the Bible does not.

Apparently some of the foremost Christians theologians through history have disagreed with JK Brown's point. Even as recently as the 20th century, antisemitism was common among Christians. Not to mention beating up on Catholics.
#3.2.1.1.1.1.1 Zachriel on 2015-02-09 09:36 (Reply)
Z: Apparently some of the foremost Christians theologians through history have disagreed with JK Brown's point. Even as recently as the 20th century, antisemitism was common among Christians. Not to mention beating up on Catholics.

Immaterial. Unless you can point to text in the Bible that says Jews as a people (not Pharisees) should be killed (like the Koran does), or even minimized, you are not addressing JK Brown's point.
#3.2.1.1.1.1.1.1 mudbug on 2015-02-09 13:43 (Reply)
mudbug: Unless you can point to text in the Bible that says Jews as a people (not Pharisees) should be killed (like the Koran does), or even minimized, you are not addressing JK Brown's point.

We pointed to detailed Biblical justification by one of Christianity's most important theologians. Chapter and verse are provided in Luther's treatise. Similarly, we can point to Islamic scholars who argue the Koran advocates mercy and tolerance.

QUOTE:
The devil can cite Scripture for his purpose.
An evil soul producing holy witness
Is like a villain with a smiling cheek,
A goodly apple rotten at the heart.
O, what a goodly outside falsehood hath!

http://www.rhymezone.com/r/gwic.cgi?Path=shakespeare/comedies/merchantofvenice/i_iii//&Word=the+devil+can+cite+scripture+for+his+purpose.#w
#3.2.1.1.1.1.1.1.1 Zachriel on 2015-02-09 14:14 (Reply)
Having established that all sides have unclean hands, now what? Should we quit bombing Daesh? Offer to take in any and all who wish to bug out? Or sit back and watch an Administration striving to thread multiple invisible electoral needles at once?
#3.3 walt moffett on 2015-02-08 17:40 (Reply)
As was already stated the Klan was a disguting Democrat gang. But as bad as they were during their 150 year history they killed less people then African American gangs kill every year. Kinda ironic don'tcha think?
#3.4 GoneWithTheWind on 2015-02-08 23:11 (Reply)
The huffing and puffing of frustrated preacher/teachers? Hectoring and lecturing are part of the human condition. But, for the clerisy it is more than that. To preach and teach, to scold, to chide, and to correct others is what these folks live for, what they get off on, their raison d’etre. They just don’t realize that they sound inane to the folks outside the beltway(or their own bubble). Maybe they believe they sound profound and nuanced. But, I think the “church lady” tsk,tsking and cluck, clucking is the real tell. They cannot resist the opportunity to chastise and insult the public with insinuations of racism or imply that average Americans are on the brink of hysterical over reaction, as though everyone else is a toothless, illiterate, bitter clinger. It’s all really about the passive, aggressive one upsmanship so emblematic of the “beta”.
#4 Exasperated on 2015-02-08 11:06 (Reply)
Be sure to see the superb short video (geography/history lesson) re the crusades at peekinthewell.net (House of Eratosthenes.) As to Zachriel's observation, I'd love to see some documentation of either cross burning or "genocide" in "recent history" by Bible-believing (and *following*) Christians (as opposed to nominal or "professed" Christians.)
#5 Ralph Kinney Bennett on 2015-02-08 12:18 (Reply)
Ralph Kinney Bennett: I'd love to see some documentation of either cross burning or "genocide" in "recent history" by Bible-believing (and *following*) Christians (as opposed to nominal or "professed" Christians.)

Ah, they weren't True Christians™.

QUOTE:
Obama: But we also see faith being twisted and distorted, used as a wedge -- or, worse, sometimes used as a weapon. From a school in Pakistan to the streets of Paris, we have seen violence and terror perpetrated by those who profess to stand up for faith, their faith, professed to stand up for Islam, but, in fact, are betraying it.
#5.1 Zachriel on 2015-02-08 12:34 (Reply)
Yeah, I can totally see the comparison between ISIS and the Klan.

How can anybody take these people serious?

Do you not see the irony in trying to lecture someone about religion when you can't tell the difference in them?
#6 B Moe on 2015-02-08 21:42 (Reply)
B Moe: I can totally see the comparison between ISIS and the Klan.

The Klan terrorized blacks for generations, but the level of destruction was less. However, it still stands as an example of how religion can underlie social conflict, including as perpetrated by Christians. Another recent example is the Irish conflict. Christians also committed genocide in Rwanda, and ethnic cleansing in the Balkans. It's not restricted to Christians, of course. Buddhists are attacking Muslims in Burma, Hindus are attacking Muslims in India, Muslims are attacking Christians and Jews in the Middle East.
#6.1 Zachriel on 2015-02-09 09:31 (Reply)
The "Irish Conflict" is neither recent nor religious.
#7 B Moe on 2015-02-09 12:09 (Reply)
B Moe: The "Irish Conflict" is neither recent nor religious.

The Irish Conflict was Protestant vs. Catholic, and only ended in 1998 with the Clinton-brokered Good Friday Agreement.
#7.1 Zachriel on 2015-02-09 14:09 (Reply)
It was Ireland vs. England and it started centuries ago.
#8 B Moe on 2015-02-09 15:05 (Reply)
B Moe: It was Ireland vs. England and it started centuries ago.

Protestant Scots and English vs. Catholic Irish.
#8.1 Zachriel on 2015-02-10 07:26 (Reply)

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