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My question for the day: Why do the euro elites want all these Muslim immigrants?
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Not your grandmas humane society--
We are living in an insane asylum, and the patients are mainstreamed among us. The rest are in charge.
Bird Dog: My question for the day: Why do the euro elites want all these Muslim immigrants?
Because of colonial ties, many Muslims have ties to French society and culture. Not to mention cheap labor.
Low European birth rates. Europeans aren't replacing themselves so the politicians hope the imported Muslims will assimilate within a couple of generations. Otherwise nobody will still be working to pay for the welfare to their old people.
WWI & WWII decimated the population and not just combatants. It is why the French built the Maginot Line. It wasn't because they were stupid, but because they knew they didn't have the manpower to defend themselves.
Not really, do the politicians hope these immigrants will assimilate and help fund entitlements.
For one thing, many if not most of them live off the state, the taxpayers.
For another thing, when these Muslims were first invited via the mechanism of the Euro-Arab Dialogue of the 1970s, the Arab League insisted that said Muslims would not be required to integrate into French society, and the Europeans acquiesced -- for oil and massively lucrative opportunities for building projects along the Maghreb.
It's obvious that the Arabs were using the EAD as a means of expanding Islam, among other things. "Eurabia," by Bat Ye'or, relates the history.
Rubbish. You posit a good reason Muslim immigrants might want to rub elbows with the euro elites; not the other way round. As to cheap labor, from what I read and hear, the Muslim immigrants are mostly unemployed and on the dole.
Muslims have been and will always be internationalist/globalists just as the communists are and just as socialism always has been. None of these ever want to stay within their own borders and always, like the Borg, intend to gather in all the non-Borg.
More like because the Elite are for One World Government, and they know the Muslims have no interest in French nationalism, or German nationalism, or Italian nationalism. Just as the West Pondia Elite are for the same One World Government, and they know the wetbacks have no interest in the United States. Overwhelm the people who believe in a national identity, and your One World Utopia becomes far easier to implement.
"Because of colonial ties, many Muslims have ties to French society and culture. Not to mention cheap labor."
There are different types of Muslim communities in France.
The older, long-established colonial one subscribes to the ideals of la République. This community has been quite successful in assimilating and has been considerably secularized within French society.
But there is now also a vast post-colonial Muslim immigrant population that is not much interested in those republican ideals.
New Jersey does suck but luckily for the Garden State, it is right next to New York which sucks considerably worse in every way - taxes and gun laws being the two of the most notable.
So while there is a constant stream of people headed out of NJ (I'll be one of them someday), they are backfilled by people and businesses fleeing even worse NY.
Sounds like the way a septic tank works. The field lines being the south, upper plains and southwest, I guess.
The suck will be spreading to PA. We elected an anti- gun antifracking, spend more $ on education - in other words communist named Wolf.
Just Because It Sucks Is No Reason to Leave New Jersey - Why would anyone leave New Jersey?
I once drove a UHaul from New England to Florida. After driving on I-95 in New York, a road where shoulders are practically nonexistent and where construction is eternally ongoing, I found the New Jersey Turnpike to be heaven-sent. I could drive without the fear that the slightest mis-turn of the steering wheel would send me to my death.
Science: So much for reliability and validity. It's a good thing these post modern scientists weren't part of NASA.
There is nothing wrong with models but they are TOOLS, not ends in themselves. This is especially true when trying to capture complex systems with multiple subsystems, when each subsystem may have its own subsystems and feedback loops.
What happened to the 'war on terror'. It's not about 'saving' Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, it's about KILLING terrorists. How about shock and awe 2.0? Western countries need to take this evil more seriously than knocking out a few Hilux pickups with air/drone strikes.
Except there is not even ONE leader in either party who would even CONSIDER anything such as that. Just remember - it was Shrub II who gave us the "Religion of Peace" bullshit. And the rest of the Rove Republicans share that meme.
My question for the day: Why do the euro elites want all these Muslim immigrants?
For exactly the same reason our North American elites want Central/South American "immigrants".
Two Words: Radical Chic.
Tom Wolfe nailed it in 1970 and nothing has changed. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radical_chic
I'm surprised that there was not call for women to respond equally. Anybody for Womanspreading?
You're right. It might cause a fight for a seat across from a woman!
How about the "pack mules"?
Everyone of them is a woman who feels the needs to bring everything into the subway - her oversized purse, a shopping bag or two, a lunch bag, another bag with who knows what in it; and then they proceed to bang those bags into everyone else on the subway.
Seriously, I've had to ask women to get their bags off my lap!
One young 20-something woman didn't remove her backpack which was hitting my face. I asked her if she wouldn't mind getting her bag out of my face. Her response to this 50-year old? "If you were a gentleman you would give me your seat!"
The belief that if this magazine and other cartoonists would simply have not denigrated Mohammed that these radical muslims would be sipping sweet tea in some paris bistro is simply wrong. They were radicalized by people who hate all kafir and want to kill us all. If this target had not been available then these terrorists would have attacked a synagogue, a church or a school. When all the prime targets are gone they will attack whatever is left. This is to some extent about the cartoonist daring to excercise their right of free speech/expression but it is mostly about the radical racism and hatred of Islam.
"Why do the euro elites want all these Muslim immigrants?"
Make no mistake, the immigration benefited someone and/or some group. Most people simply gothrough their lives workingand taking care of their family. They are totally unaware that they are being attacked and taken advantage of by individuals and groups who want what they have. These immigrants want the citizens money, they want their land, they want their government, they will take over and throw the citizens out. What you are seeing is the early stages of a war of agression. When any immigrant group comes in and retains their language and their home country's traditions and beliefs they are not there to assimilate they are their to dominate. France didn't "want" muslim immigrants but some people, some groups, some activists did and forced their wil upon a population that was not paying attention. This, what we just saw happen, is the price citizens pay if they choose to ignore what is going on and fail to hold their leaders responsible for their actions. How many Americans know that we import hundreds of thousands of muslims, many of them radicalized, every year? Why do we do this? Inexplicable !
From the post:
"If you have a big Muslim minority, you must be strong and willing to fight. Like the Russians or the Israelis. If you are not willing to fight, you lose badly.
Our freedom of speech is already diminished with the Muslims we have in the Western world today. And their numbers keep growing fast. As long as we have a significant number of Muslims here, we may never be able to regain our freedom of speech. That is a sad fact, but it is nevertheless a fact. They may win, by sheer brutality and willingness to kill."
Right on GWTW !
Perhaps, we should combine the discussion about immigration with the discussion about unproved 'science'. How about this: the lack of water, the denuded soils and tyranny of the middle east cannot support it's uncontrolled population explosion. Therefore, the masses of the middle east move in any direction with a weekend defense--food and water may just be a powerful enough force to drive most humans!
Soooo . . . can we get the ivy league left to speak out with courage about population control? noo So, can we get the conservatives of corporate giants to speak out with courage about the cost benefit of cheap labor noo SOOO no one is having a conversation about the "real science" of the matter! It is right to bring now to the conversation the subject of systems thinking. So while your daughters in their ivy league colleges want to apply "systems thinking" as a justification for their intent to reduce the requirement of Proof in our justice system--(there goes that attack on our legal system again), the fact is they can't use big words like systems leave alone understand subsets, etc. means we are not able to reach across the divide and discuss rationally the real "science based" problems--"just because they don't know the big words doesn't mean it's not their turn!"
You know, say what you will about the economic and social damage being caused by illegal immigration in this country (and I have a lot to say), but the vast majority of Mexican immigrants that I have met are decent, nice people who believe in the American Dream.
A big chunk of my family through marriage is Middle Eastern, and although they are all gracious people, when they sit around the kitchen table in their blue jeans and drinking coca-cola, they denigrate and trash the United States. And these people are educated professionals. Just saying.
I can't disagree with you. Because of where I have worked and lived I have known and worked with many Mexican Americans and many illegal Mexican immigrants. I liked all of those who I knew and I hold no hostility towards any Mexican immigrant. But (you must have known there was a "but" coming) as an American who believes in the country, it's citizens and the constitution I reject illegal immigration and believe the only response is to search for them and deport them. AND I am opposed to legal immigration at least until we can fix our own problems that immigration only exacerbates. Problems like massive welfare. Wouldn't you prefer to hire welfare recipients over legal or illegal immigrants and give these American citizens a chance at the American dream? Chronic unemployment. Similar problem and I think allowing illegal or legal immigrants to take jobs while our own citizens are left without opportunity makes no sense. English or to put it another way a common language and culture. All of us can trace our heritage to somewhere and now we are Americans. We might like to celebrate the fact that our grandparents came from Italy or Ireland but we are Americans not Italians or Irish. Go visit the home of an illegal alien from Mexico and you will see that they are Mexican, they watch Mexican TV, Mexican news celebrate Mexico and still retain Mexican citizenship. They are not assimilated and most don't wish to assimilate. Their American born children are becoming assimilated but slowly. We have millions and millions of legal citizens who were born somewhere else and their culture is from somewhere else and often their alliegence is to somewhere else. We have overdone the immigration thingy and now the only way we can fix it is to place a moratorium on all legal immigration and vigorously act to deport illegal immigrants until we can clean up this hot mess we have created. I would like to see the citizen allowed to take jobs that are going to illegals. I would like to see our schools and public places conduct business in English. I would like to see lower taxes that no longer penalize our citizens to support illegal or legal immigrants. I am not suggesting in any way that these immigrants are not good people what I am saying is I want them to stay in their own country and be good people and I want our country to put our good citizens first. It costs about $5000 a month to support an immigrant to the U.S. who has been given refugee status. WHY? Why should you and I pay them $5000 a month and why should our government import millions more of these people every year? Who is this policy prioritizing; American citizens or foreigners? We have a serious problem and we aren't dealing with it.
Re: Dean and de Maiziere
Since Islam was founded, there have been periods where Muslims violently asserted their duty to subjugate the rest of the world. Just a couple of data points:
Less than 100 years after Muhammad's death, Muslims tried to conquer Europe finally to be thwarted by Martel at Tours in 732 (I guess they were misunderstood Muhammad's real teachings).
In the 1000s, Muslims restricted Christians' access to Christian holy sites and subjugated local Christians as Dhimmis which lead to the Crusades.
Closer to our experience, the Barbary Pirates had been attacking US and European shipping, enslaving sailors from the 1500s. They demanded and got tribute (extortion or was it subjugation as Dhimmi?) till Jefferson finally refused and sent in the Marines.
And now, we have ISIS building and declaring a Caliphate, Muslims everywhere - even Michigan - declaring sharia law, gruesome killings, rapes, subjugation, and slavery in the name of Alla.
This is not a new problem to the rest of the world and it is not a new idea from "people who claim to be Muslims but are not". This is just a continuing effort by those who ascribe to an ideology that comes from their interpretation of their religion. Until there is a serious reformation in the interpretation of Muslim texts, the problem of Islamic "extremists" will continue.
Dean is reflecting the attitude of our ruling masters. One wonders how long they can live in that fantasy world without getting a lot of the little people killed?
I think we are in the ‘rinse and repeat’ phase of the attack. Denounce the attack and arrest the perpetrators. Repeat the lie about Islam being the religion of peace and the violence being caused as a legacy of colonialism. Then business as usual until the next attack. The outrage will die down in the public print. The tacit message is to redouble efforts at self-censorship.
One wonders what will happen in Europe if the Muslims ever get organized behind a charismatic leader?
Barring that, what happens when the day comes when the wealth transfer payments run out and Muslim gangs leave their ghettos to forage through the indigenous population seeking food and booty?
What will the Europeans be prepared to do in response?
The notion of "microaggression" seems almost appallingly trite and trivial when contrasted with the latest Islamist outrage in Paris.
Microaggression is not about the "aggression"of the "perpetrator", it's about the aggression of those in power.
In order to "protect victims" from microaggression, the "protectors" will have to concern themselves with everything a person might do whether it is or was meant to be offensive to the "victim". The definition of microaggression is so broad and indistinct it is up to the enforcer (who will be leftists) to define it and because everybody perpetrates microagressions their intention is to use it against everyone.
Careful what you say abuot us Lutherans. Push us too far and we just might get together and say snide things about you over coffee and cookies. Go further than that, and we could even look sternly at you over our glasses.
So what you're saying is that Lutherans are the UN of the Christian faith???
"Islamophobia"? What Islamophobia?
A phobia is an irrational fear. Is the current opinion of Islam based on fear, or is it based on objective observation? On anger?
And, if it is fear, is it irrational?
Violent Muslims are A#1 recruiters for Marine LePen.
And PEGIDA, in Germany.
Which is why Hollande and Merkel want to outlaw LePen and PEGIDA. With the enthusiastic help of their Media.