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Sunday, August 31. 2014
Somewhat related: Wind and solar power are industries that are destined to remain in their infancy, if not forever, then certainly for the indefinite future.
It's all so stupid, if not malevolent.
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Yes but the heavy ice is caused by global warming or some such as that or as Obama says, "just shut up about it and pay me your carbon tax."
Bird Dog: Al Gore's prediction it would be ICE-FREE by now
That is incorrect. In any case, here's the trend:
Trends require a starting and ending point. Starting during the "are we entering a new Ice Age?" time frame may not be helpful in seeing the bigger picture. It also doesn't give context of historical norms or anomalies.
Shall we talk about all the predictions Gore and buddies made that have failed to materialize (eg. All the monster hurricanes we were supposed to be battered with).
Or, sines you're fond of trend lines, care to plot the predicted rate of temperature rise from the IPCC? My guess it would be steeper than your Arctic ice graph (in the same direction).
From the link:
Those who just a few years ago were warning of ice-free summers by 2014 included US Secretary of State John Kerry, who made the same bogus prediction in 2009, while Mr Gore has repeated it numerous times – notably in a speech to world leaders at the UN climate conference in Copenhagen in 2009, in an effort to persuade them to agree a new emissions treaty.One hundred percent chance versus 75 percent chance. Not a lot of difference. In any event, anyone who had placed money on the Goracle's prediction coming true would have lost money - at least through 2014. Too bad the Z-Team hadn't made that bet. Since the prediction lasts through 2016, I recommend that the Z-Team put their money where their mouth is and bet on the Goracle's prediction coming true.
The ice cap is falling off a cliff. It could be completely gone in summer in as little as 7 years from now
Mr Gore – whose office yesterday failed to respond to a request for comment – insisted then: ‘There is a 75 per cent chance that the entire polar ice cap during some of the summer months could be completely ice-free within five to seven years.'
Oh, geez, Zach. Prove it!
Meanwhile, solar is frying hundreds of birds, thousands of bats, bees and butterflies, and who knows what else that needs to get around under those ugly panels. Then there's those Osterizers some call wind farms.
Europe is still subsidizing all these investments because they DON'T WORK all the time and the upkeep costs millions. The pols that pass the bills and approve the contracts for their buddies are the only ones benefitting from these disasters.
jma: Prove it!
The first clue about Gore's supposed "insistence" is that he explicitly stated the study's uncertainty. The second clue is that he also cited another study with somewhat different trends.
"here's the trend"
So this is your big chance Zach. Your chance to be an honest debater. Ask yourself why the "trend" was shown from 1981 to present? Why not from 1934? Why not from 1200? What made the author of that chart pick 1981? I know the answer and it seems improbable that you don't know the answer. Why do the "Henny Penny's" always pick these very specific dates to start charting so-called global warming? Wouldn't a true "scientist" look at the entire spectrum of data? Wouldn't someone free of bias wonder why there has actually been global cooling since the high reached in 1934? What would make someone seek out the most recent low period to begin charting temperatures? Again I know the answer, do you? The answer is dishonesty. You have a choice; you can choose dishonesty and total lack of curosity or you can admit the Warmies have intentionally rigged the game. And if you accept that the game is being rigged you have to ask why. If you can do that you will begin yur age of enlightenment. If you cannot do that then you are one of the useful idiots.
GoneWithTheWind: Ask yourself why the "trend" was shown from 1981 to present? Why not from 1934? Why not from 1200?
Here's from 1900:
Here's from 600:
Sadly (truely sad for someone who grew up revering science) the Warmies have lied and revised and bastardized the data towards fullfilling their agenda. The sea ice today has broken all past records and somwhow the charts you pointed to don't reflect that. Instead they reflect the disgraced/disproven hockey stick. Are you simply regurgitating the lies and misrepresentations of the warmies? In 1903–1906 Amundsen traversed the NorthWest passage where is that on those charts? How could that be if it was clear enough in 1903 for a wooden boat to travel through it that your charts don't show it. And more to the point about climate change what caused it in 1903? Was it SUVs or the freon? What?
The problem is that there is now in this world Science and pseudo-science and the warmists have been caught over and over again lying and changing data. When you look up "pseudo-scientists" in the dictionary you see a picture of Micheal Mann. The hockey stick has replaced the Piltdown man in the annals of science frauds. The entire global warming fraud is falling down all around you and it is way past time for you to blame Bush or deny you ever knew about any of the fraud. Anyone, ANYONE today who is still foisting the global warming fraud on the public is no longer in a position where they could claim ignorance or having been duped. The data is there for all who would see. There is no Anthropogenic warming. It is colder today by every measure then it was in the 30's. What we are experiencing is weather not AGW. Artic ice has broken all records this year. WHat is that? Cooling? Simply weather? A meaningless anomoly? What? I'll tell you what it is. It is a reason for warmies to do the shuck and jive and change the subject. All of the indicators the warmies have set up as "proving" global warming have failed them. Hurricanes have stopped hitting our country for a record amount of months. Tornadoes are way down from normal. Even forest fires are missing their average. What's a warmie to do? Why, lie of course. And that is what they do. You yourself may be a true believer but as I stated you cannot be unaware of the terrible failing in warmist theory and the dishonest even criminal attempts at distorting the data they have resorted to as a coverup of the facts. You need to abandon this sinking ship.
It's all so stupid, if not malevolent but highly profitable.
It's malevolent, and profitable (for the pols and their cronies and enablers.)