Maggie's Farm

Osteopathic "medicine" is still considered quackery by anyone with more then a little scientific knowledge.
I have zero sympathy for the problems of the chiropratic reputation. It was chiropractors who made the outrageous claims of being able to cure diseases and make miracles if you just crosed their palm with hundred dollar bills. They have been trying to climb out of that self made hole for a couple of decades now but there are still those in the chiropractic commuity who insist they can do more then crack a few joints and make you think you feel better, pay the bill on the way out please.

To believe that massage can cure diseases is worse then ignorant at best it is quackery. An osteopath is a doctor with strange ideas and beliefs. He is still a doctor and can indeed do what a doctor does but his strange ideas and beliefs prevent him from doing it. That is a fact. Those of us who believe in science based medicine cannot understand superstition based medicine or those who believe in superstition based medicine. But those who believe in superstition based medicine always seem to think that the otherside of the arguement are the ones who just don't know their course of study or the history of medicine and if we would just read the same propaganda that you read we would be enlightened. Steve Jobs is a good example of the benefits of alternative medicine. Had he placed his health care in the hands of a real doctor he would be alive today.

I can't explain his strange beliefs, perhaps too much pot smoking or raised by hippies but for whatever reason he choose to become a DO instead of an MD. That says it all. If he believed in science he wouldn't have choosen to be an Osteopath or Chiropractor.

There was a famous case of a cardiovascular surgeon (in New York I think) who was the best in his field. So he took on the least promising cases, the ones where he thought he could do the most good. Of course working with patients with a very slim chance of surviving he lost many patients. But just to prove no good deed goes unpunished his malpractice insurance went up to the point where he couldn't afford it. The moral is that if you are an Osteopath you mostly treat people who need attention and aren't really sick. A really sick person would go to a real doctor don'tcha see. I bet you go to an Osteopath and someday you will suffer from a serious medical malady and you well have an epiphany and go to a doctor who will actulally help you rather then massage you.

I am indeed a contemptuous ass. I know this because my Ex told me on more then one occasion. But your insults say far more about you then they do about me. If you can't have a conversation or a debate or even an arguement (if you prefer) without name calling you have some issues you need to deal with. If it is so important to you that your beliefs about superstition based medicine are only confirmed and never challenged then you shouldn't bring them up unless you are with like minded people

I am not conected with the health care industry in any way. I am the happy recipient of good medical care from good doctors and nurses.

"Quack" is a discriptive name. I suppose if you are the target of that description it wouldn't make you happy but hopefully it would make you think. My wife's cousin is a chiropractor and is one of the nicest most generous men I know. At his graduation a dignitory from the ACA spoke and reminded the graduates that they should not allow themselves to believe or express belief in curing diseases with manipulation techniques. That in the previous 20 years the reputation of chiropractors was harmed by those who had made wild claims. The fact that Chiropractors did indeed slip into quackery is not in dispute. There are many out there who still are quacks. But at least they are trying to police themselves.

No! My opinions and beliefs are based on the scientific method and common sense. I try not to put too much weight into one commentary or one author's book, and at heart I am a skeptic and tend not to believe anything too easily.

Oh! A nasty doubling down on name calling. No one cares how low you can go. Read a few of Miss Manners books and get your head straight.

I don't know where the Palestinain rant came from or what you mean.

The scientific method is much misunderstood as you just proved. From Wikipedia "The scientific method is a body of techniques for investigating phenomena, acquiring new knowledge, or correcting and integrating previous knowledge.[1] To be termed scientific, a method of inquiry must be based on empirical and measurable evidence subject to specific principles of reasoning". It isn't perfect but stives to be and is self correcting when followed. It is what it is and it's preferable to the alternatives out there.

I disagree (what a suprise). It is only "name calling" if the intent is to disparage or provoke. If the "name" is intended to be discriptive of the action being discussed it is hardly name calling ansd certainly not bigotry.

The scientific method and common sense aren't mutually exclusive and in fact they work really well together. You should try it sometime.

Fun? I suppose, if it wasn't I guess I wouldn't respond.

This particular Chiropractor is someone I look up to and try to emulate. He is 40 years younger then me and a better person then I was at his age. Both of his parents are outstanding people as well. A good honest caring person who goes out of his way to help in his community and carries a smile with him everywhere he goes.

I think Obama will continue to live off of others and take advantage of everything and everyone he can. I don't begrudge politicians or famous people their fees for appearances and speaking but I dislike when it is a thinly veiled "payoff" for past favors.