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Monday, October 7. 2013
I don't mind being called a Redskin. It's a matter of family pride to have a little savage redskin blood.
In fact, I suspect most people of Indian heritage are happy to have athletic teams named after their redskin ancestors. Most of my ancestors are New England puritans. Nobody would name a team after them, would they?
Why not? It's because the Indian brand is cool, and Jonathan Edwards' brand and Cotton Mather's brand isn't.
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sorry for the off topic
American Digest is going to an "account suspended" page. I've tried without success to discover why. It was up last night.
Anyone know what going on?
Yup, it's back.
Nothing about the "account suspended" on the site yet.
Do I get to call for Notre Dame to remove the "Fighting Irish" sobriquet?
As an Irishman, I find it to be demeaning to my ancestors that Irish are considered to be brawlers. If they'd like to take it up with me, we can roll up our sleeves and take it out on the street.
Seriously, is this really necessary? Should tall people be upset about the Titans and Giants? Or men who work on oil rigs upset with the Edmonton Oilers? What about military personnel being upset with the New York Rangers? Or Texas policemen and the Texas Rangers?
The list is endless. We can all be upset about something. But why bother?
How about the Drinkin' Irish?
I happen to feel that "Giants" is an affront to short people. Makes them feel short.
I'm willing to have a shot and a chaser as we discuss that particular part of Irish culture.
My wife is 5'0" and a huge fan of the Giants. I'll tell her she needs to increase her ire over their name, particularly since I am, today, an exultant Eagles fan.
Well, Harvard's mascot is John Harvard dressed as a pilgrim. Close to a puritan, at least, and very ugly (and he/it even looks a bit red-skinned). See here:
Does this make you feel more proud of your mixed heritage, or less?
I lived in Arizona for 20 years.... we have alot of tribes out there and almost all of them are bigger than the Oneida Nation (which is the one hauled out as the tribal crusader for changing the name of the Redskins.)
In my informal polling through the years, the number 1 team of the various tribal members?
A close second?
When I mention that to my father he said where's he at in New Mexico it's much the same. In fact you know how the game is being played by the fact no one in the media actually goes out and talks to real Native Americans to see what they think.
The funny thing is that when I mention that to people here in the D.C. area, that Native Americans generally like the Redskins name, I get 1 of 2 reactions.... the first is silence but the second is that such Native Americans don't realize how offensive that name is to them.
Get it? They're too stupid to know what's good for them.... so who's being racist
AM, I know whereof you speak...
I'm rather amazed at the overt condescension I experience when replying that 1) I don't really care about the 'skins, and 2) the name doesn't bother me in the least.
I'll share one anecdote: at a Christmas gathering some years back, the 'Skins lack of success was a hot topic, with one fool willing her opinion on said team name. Buddy of mine set the stage (knowing my background full well, and set her up ensuring that she knew), and I said what I believed.
A few minutes later, overheard her in another room telling a few that "....__ is sooooo stupid, doesn't know he's being offended!"
Blunty put - the team name does not offend me. Running around claiming offense on my behalf does offend me.
Well, isn't that the basis of the liberal apologia? They know more than you do, so are in a better position to help you understand how poorly off you are.
They are better at everything. From managing the economy to managing your emotions.
So get offended about that name, fast. Because you need to understand why you are offended and don't know that you're being offended. It's offensive to be the way you are!!
My two kids are 1/8th Indian and they could care less. My father in law was raised on a reservation, and has great stories by the way, and he laughs at things like this. My father in law parachuted into France on D-Day and he is a hero in my mind. Not an Indian hero or a 1/2 Indian hero but a red, white and blue American hero. That is what is important. That is, it is what people do with their lives and who they are that is important. It's interesting to know your heritage and perhaps even brings us pride to know but but not something to be used as a wedge to seperate us into groups and putting us at each others throats.
I think the opponent of Liz Warren should have signs made up of Liz standing in front of Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, and Obama with the text: Redskins stick together! Great for a person of any background to carry.
I agree, somehow or other "The Pilgrims take on the Puritans at MayFlower stadium" doesn't sound as cool as the Cowboys vs the Redskins.
According to many baseball historians, the early Boston AL baseball teams were called Pilgrims or Puritans along with the Boston Beaneaters or Beaners.
And the Harvard teams were often called Puritans, although that isn't actually documented like the Boston Puritans were.
As the Harvard teams are now the Crimson, would savants like MoDo of the NYT, or some critical theorist at some U, conclude that Crimson is a hidden subtext for Redskin? RAAAACISSSST. Or is it Crimson for The Scarlet Letter, which would give it a Puritan tinge?
Here's my advice to Daniel Snyder, owner of the Washington Redskins: Take a page from the Obama play book, be a nasty SOB, and move your football team out of Washington and across the coast to LA, which is desperate to get an NFL franchise back. That would give you the perfect excuse to change the name of the team and, more importantly, the immense satisfaction of giving the finger to the folks in Washington who've been giving you crap about the Redskins name. I don't think the other team owners would object to the move. I think they'd see it as good for the NFL all around.
Indian mascots go back a hundred years or more, back to a time when Indians were mythologized as brave, fierce, and pure. The boy scouts of the time borrowed heavily of the myth.
the US Navy, during the Civil War, frequently named its ships after Indian tribes or chiefs.