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Friday, June 14. 2013

Where to pee? A civil rights crisis

Where should transgender teens pee when at school? In some precincts, this seems to be a burning civil rights issue.


Oregon County Requires Gender-Neutral Bathrooms


A Maine court case signals the next frontier of civil rights: transgender equality.


You've come a long way, baby.


I think these teen transgenders are probably just terribly mixed-up confused people. Some days I feel like I am trapped inside a human body, and not a particularly wonderful body either.


But I cope with it. I am taking a cute little gal on a fishing trip off Block Island this weekend. How good is that for June 15? Is that a keeper?

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I can already imagine the high school chess club boys all claiming to be transgender so they can get is a good gander in the girl's restroom
#1 buddy larsen on 2013-06-14 12:46 (Reply)
Chess club boys probably get gandered quicker in boys room, buddy.

Perhaps, girls room could provide some goose'm.
#1.1 Leag on 2013-06-14 13:07 (Reply)
Faculty bathroom.
#2 Karen on 2013-06-14 12:53 (Reply)
Karen,

There you go again...being "succinct".

Luvit !

TC
#2.1 Garry on 2013-06-15 01:51 (Reply)
Transgenders, "mixed up"?

Shoot, they are friggin' nuts.

Do contractors lobby for this so they can build more rest rooms? Who is skimming the money for advancing privileged status for transgenders and where is the money coming from?

I am sure the bottom feeding lawyers are one group.
#3 feeblemind on 2013-06-14 13:24 (Reply)
Look, all this gender separation is so last century. Okay, all the last centuries but still its no longer valid.

We separate males and females not due to their different anatomy but because of how people react to that anatomy, i.e., sexual attraction. Now that gays, et al, are out of the closet, there is no longer the "polite" fiction that someone isn't getting their jollies seeing your "privates" in the locker room/bathroom.

So since there is no longer the fiction of no sexual attraction for some with similar anatomy, there is no justification for separate facilities.

Otherwise, we have to have heterosexual male, heterosexual female, homosexual mixed gender bathrooms. No, that latter won't work since you could only have one male and one female in there at a time. Oh well, we still have the problem of bisexuals as well. So I guess everyone who is not heterosexual gets a bathroom or locker room for themselves.

Jeez, we're gonna need a bathroom monitor.

Okay, new rule, everyone pees at home and no drinks while you're out either.
#4 JKB on 2013-06-14 13:47 (Reply)
Did you just advocate for peeing in a locker?
#4.1 Tom Francis on 2013-06-14 14:59 (Reply)
Let me tell ya, there's no faster way to get kicked off a swim team than peeing in the pool --well maybe not if you don't do it from the diving board
#4.1.1 buddy larsen on 2013-06-14 17:10 (Reply)
buddy,

Good to "see" U again.

Had a Buddy with a sign affixed to his pool fence...

"Welcome to my OOL. Notice there's no "P". Please leave it that way".

TC
#4.1.1.1 Garry on 2013-06-15 01:55 (Reply)
So for maybe the 1 or 2 kids that decide at 15 they are 'transgendered' they have to spend a ton of money to make 'gender neutral' bathrooms????

How about the transgendered person just use a stall? Is it really the humiliating? What about colleges where they have unisex bathrooms and have for almost 30 years (see the U.C. system in California for that social experiment gone awry. Are they caring there about how the girls feel to pee next to a dude in another stall? Or shower with just a shower curtain between you and some strange guy? Nope.

So why all this care and concern about 1 or 2 'transgendered' people who feel uncomfortable peeing in a bathroom with someone who is the same sex as they are? Ridiculous.
#5 MissT on 2013-06-14 13:48 (Reply)
Well, as I recently found out, transgender doesn't necessarily translate into transgender. For example, a transgendered individual may still have the original equipment as a full commitment to gender reassignment surgery is out of the question for whatever reason but they "feel" female or male on an emotional level. Then you have the transgendered who are half and half - upper half female, lower half male (transvestite) or vice versa or the transgender who are only cross dressers who are female (or male) when they are dressed in male or female clothing, but otherwise lead normal happy lives peeing in the right bathrooms when they aren't cross dressing.

It's a complicated issue and the right to pee must not be abridged in any way.

As far as Oregon goes, meh - who cares what Oregon does.
#5.1 Tom Francis on 2013-06-14 15:10 (Reply)
Well, I for one care what Oregon does since I live in Oregon. This is the city of Portland doing this and it is a very liberal LGBT friendly place. This all may come under the heading of "silly" but for Portland it is the least of the silly and worse decisions that they push down the throats of the taxpayers. I would be more then happy to let them label the bathrooms however they want to and stop wasting our tax money on the other hundred or so stupid projects they take on.
#5.1.1 GoneWithTheWind on 2013-06-14 16:59 (Reply)
Here - this will cheer you up.

A leprechaun walks into a bar. After several pitchers of beer, the leprechaun runs over to a large, mean-looking guy, sticks out his tongue and spits on his legs. The guy reaches out to grab the leprechaun, only to miss him as he jumps back to his seat.

"If you know what's good for you, don't come near me again, or I'll rip off your little tallywagger," yells the mean-looking guy.

After a few more pitchers, the leprechaun runs over to the mean-looking guy, sticks out his tongue and spits all over his legs again. This time, the guy successfully catches the leprechaun.

"All right, I've got you this time. I warned you -- now I'm gonna rip off your little tallywagger!"

The leprechaun laughs, "You can't do that."

"Why not?" asks his captor.

"Because," giggles the leprechaun, "leprechauns don't have tallywaggers."

"Whadda ya mean you don't have a tallywagger?" growls the angry man, "How in the hell do you pee?"

"Just like this," laughs the leprechaun as he sticks out his tongue and spits.
#5.1.1.1 Tom Francis on 2013-06-14 19:35 (Reply)
Tyhat's like the magic lamp/genie joke about the guy whose wish was ''a twelve-inch penis, ready to perform, for the rest of my life'' --what he got was a foot-tall guy he could never get rid of, a twelve-inch pianist continually demanding a little tiny Steinway concert grand.
#5.1.1.1.1 buddy larsen on 2013-06-14 19:50 (Reply)
the right to pee must not be abridged

That's exactly what Professor I.P. Freely says!
#5.1.2 buddy larsen on 2013-06-14 17:16 (Reply)
That comment earns a rimshot.
#5.1.2.1 Tom Francis on 2013-06-14 19:31 (Reply)
UZ GUYZ R 2 Much...

I B silenced...

TC
#5.1.2.1.1 Garry on 2013-06-15 02:05 (Reply)
Wait, I have the solution, diapers.

Everyone wears a diaper and changes it at home. For school, a bonus, no more smoking in the boy's (girl's) room, no more cherry bombs in the toilet, no more asking to be excused form class.
#6 JKB on 2013-06-14 13:52 (Reply)
But that all Depends, don't it?

TC
#6.1 Garry on 2013-06-14 14:44 (Reply)
That comment deserves a rimshot.
#6.1.1 Tom Francis on 2013-06-14 15:03 (Reply)
Tanks Tom...

TC
#6.1.1.1 Garry on 2013-06-15 02:07 (Reply)
It would seem this young lady is female in her mind only but male in the rest of her/his body. I can't fathom what kind of personal hell someone with this issue goes through and wish I could come up with some generally accepted solution for people like this. But my gut feeling is letting teenage boys run loose in teenage girl bathrooms is not the solution. And since this is just the camel's nose (or something) what is next, the girls locker room and showers? Who ever gets to decide this better decide it on that question because you know that will be the next law suit. After all if they are "girls" and can use the girls restroom isn't it obvious to everyone but a homophobe that this strapping teenage boy with a girls mind should dress with the girls? Where are the rights of the girls and the parents in this?
#7 GoneWithTheWind on 2013-06-14 16:54 (Reply)
--i wonder if the coming New Regimes will allow us to keep working on our social-equity issues. In English, i mean.
#8 buddy larsen on 2013-06-14 17:06 (Reply)
Reality is not always what it seems and it is always quite interesting to watch when the discovery is made that reality a bit more original than thought. The reason is that reality wraps time and space around itself, and that isn't good news for humanists who grow used to things like effects following things like causes that are felt at an emotional level and never subjected to reason and logic - it kind of screws things up.
#8.1 Tom Francis on 2013-06-14 17:56 (Reply)
--i dig precisely every syllable of that, Mon Capitan. I had a wonderful book once (until i managed to lose it), of the stories of various Stalag Luft I inmates' "how I got shot down" stories. The book was titled Not As Briefed.

Excessive concern about making America perfect is the same 'how could this be wrong?' arrogance that cost the god Apollo one of his seasons of the year.
#8.1.1 buddy larsen on 2013-06-14 19:35 (Reply)
Sheesh. You are putting that bait deep, Capt. Tom.
#8.1.1.1 Bird Dog on 2013-06-14 20:32 (Reply)
Yes - yes it is. And as a mathematician without a philosophical bent, that's about as deep as it's going to get. :>)
#8.1.1.1.1 Tom Francis on 2013-06-14 22:03 (Reply)
Nice boat. Nice fish. Going out to the SW Ledge or is that still included in the Exclusive Economic Zone? I found that using a yo-yo rig bouncing off the bottom with bunker can produce some really nice stripers if you work the area right off the light house.

Have fun.
#9 Tom Francis on 2013-06-14 22:07 (Reply)
I have no problem with government requiring "genderless" SINGLE-occupancy restrooms for public office buildings, but I'd question whether local government has the right to impose this very costly requirement in the case of private buildings. Heck, in most parts of the country fast food restaurants these days typically have only a single rest room which is not labelled Men/Women. However, I'd venture to say that the first people who'd complain about mixed- or neutral-gender multiple-occupancy bathrooms would be the women who'd freak out upon seeing a transgendered man emerge from a stall in the "ladies" room.
#10 Agent Cooper on 2013-06-14 22:47 (Reply)
both are keepers!
#11 Westoakland on 2013-06-15 04:20 (Reply)
The doc who was the head of one of the early transgender surgery sites at Johns Hopkins stopped the program because he said the people who imagined themselves as born the wrong gender were unhappy for other reasons and remained unhappy following the surgery. http://www.firstthings.com/article/2009/02/surgical-sex--35

A recent article in the New Yorker documents a wave of transgender declarations among teens. It reminded me of the Salem witch trials girls. Hysteria is common in teen groups.
#12 LHF on 2013-06-15 07:38 (Reply)
And nobody asked the obvious question - is that a transgender female?

Inquiring minds want to know.
#13 Tom Francis on 2013-06-15 11:05 (Reply)

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