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From Kling's Tribal Politics - Progressives, conservatives, and libertarians each have a mythology in which they are the heroes and the
other tribes are villains. Partisans of these three ideologies even
speak different languages.

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And the Progressives are the Oppressors!

#1 Sam L. on 2013-06-04 14:29 (Reply)

And the Coercers!

One can make the comparison to Barbarians, too, as they want to pull down those parts of Civilization with which they disagree.

#1.1 Sam L. on 2013-06-04 18:09 (Reply)

Most conservatives I hear talk like the Libertarians described here.

Saying that everybody's ideology is a mythology sounds too much like an effort to declare that there is no truth out there.

#2 John on 2013-06-04 18:39 (Reply)

The progressives would say that there's no truth.

Of course they're oblivious to the reality that they are in fact postulating a truth.

#2.1 phil g on 2013-06-05 06:03 (Reply)

It's too simplistic and obviously created by a Libertarian. I find most conservatives to be mostly Libertarian but can't quite get their arms around the drugs and bizarre side of libertarian beliefs.

#3 GoneWithTheWind on 2013-06-04 21:46 (Reply)

Note that the author is using the traditional sense of the term conservatism; the preservation of valued institutions against the anarchy of either barbarism or ill-considered reform.

GoneWithTheWind: I find most conservatives to be mostly Libertarian but can't quite get their arms around the drugs and bizarre side of libertarian beliefs.

Libertarianism is quite distinct from conservatism. For example, most conservatives tend towards nationalism, support traditional marriage as a state institution, oppose euthanasia, and generally want to limit immigation.

#3.1 Zachriel on 2013-06-05 19:36 (Reply)

You do understand the meaning of "mostly" I assume.

It looks to me that you used the term "nationalism" as an insult. This seems bizarre to me. What is nationalism?
Nationalism: patriotism: proud loyalty and devotion to a nation

What is it about nationalism that bothers you?

#3.1.1 GoneWithTheWind on 2013-06-05 22:51 (Reply)

GoneWithTheWind: It looks to me that you used the term "nationalism" as an insult.

The use was neutral. We merely pointed out the difference between conservatism and libertarianism. Libertarians generally see national boundaries as artificial and coercive, while conservatives want to preserve nationhood as an important tradition institution, that change could be destabilizing and have unintended consequences.

#3.1.1.1 Zachriel on 2013-06-06 07:42 (Reply)

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