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Sunday, May 19. 2013

Liar

This is tough.




Posted by The News Junkie at 17:33 | Comments (12) | Trackbacks (0)

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It's time to appoint a Special Prosecutor to get to the bottom of L'Affaire IRS. You will recall George Bush's response in the over-the-top, far less consequential Valerie Plame "scandal" which was ginned up by the Democrats. It was to order the WH staff to cooperate fully with Patrick Fitzgerald or else tender their resignations. W is a man of principle; Obama has none.
#1 Agent Cooper on 2013-05-20 02:28 (Reply)
QUOTE:
Lou Dobbs: He's responsible for the nomination ...

Actually, Douglas Shulman, who presided over the IRS at the time, was a Bush appointee. In addition, management ordered the local office to stop using political criteria to select for audits.
#2 Zachriel on 2013-05-20 08:57 (Reply)
A Bush appointee, and a Democrat!
#2.1 Bird Dog on 2013-05-20 09:04 (Reply)
Your excuses for the administration's bad behavior get more embarrassing by the day. Are you capable of understanding that his political affiliation and the name of the person who appointed him are irrelevant? I suppose not: it's your way of "blaming Bush" again. "Mommy, Mommy, George Bush did it too!" Fine, if that's your strongest defense of the indefensible, just know we're laughing at you.

The IRS's transgressions---those we know about and which they've already admitted to---are far more serious than the Valerie Plame scandal ever was. They deserve a thorough investigation from top to bottom, and let the chips fall where they may. If the WH has clean hands, let the president issue the same directive to the IRS and WH staffs as Bush did before: cooperate fully with the FBI and the IRS IG or turn in your resignation.
#2.2 Agent Cooper on 2013-05-20 16:05 (Reply)
Agent Cooper: Are you capable of understanding that his political affiliation and the name of the person who appointed him are irrelevant?

It tends to undercut some of the more outrageous conspiracy theories. Furthermore, the evidences seems to indicate that the IRS management ordered that the practice be stopped well before it became public.
#2.2.1 Zachriel on 2013-05-20 17:53 (Reply)
Interesting sentence construction:

Furthermore, the evidences seems to indicate that the IRS management ordered that the practice be stopped well before it became public.

I can here it now.

IRS underling: Sir, when do we stop hassling those right wing nuts?

IRS boss: Let's stop it soon before it gets out.

And in doing so, they stopped it before it became public.

Thankfully, they stopped running roughshod over people's rights or they would be in real trouble right? I notice that they were very selective in whose rights they ran roughshod over - but of course, they only hassled conservative groups (those with "Patriot" in the name or who intended to teach about the Constitution). I guess they didn't get around the the lefty groups. They were next, right?

I find it interesting that you have no more concern for this issue than you do. If the IRS under Bush had done this to any number of lefty groups Nancy Pelosi would be bleating about the "Culture of Corruption" and you would be squealing like a stuck pig.

But then, maybe you wouldn't. Maybe you're happy enough that there is a government agency that close down the businesses of those rich fat cats without any due process (because they deserve it, of course). I wonder if you're aware that they can also empty your bank account without so much as a warrant or a court order. But then you don't believe the IRS would ever act so "irresponsibly" do you? I guess as long as it's not you, it's alright.
#2.2.1.1 mudbug on 2013-05-20 21:18 (Reply)
mudbug: I find it interesting that you have no more concern for this issue than you do.

The issue is important enough that facts are important. The available evidence points away from a conspiracy at the top. The reaction seems to be political hyperventilating, and the typical accusations of unamerican, totalitarian, kenyan variety.
#2.2.1.1.1 Zachriel on 2013-05-21 07:01 (Reply)
It sure is important, but so far the facts point to a pattern of singling out conservative groups and campaign donors while liberal and leftist groups avoid such scrutiny.
#2.2.1.1.1.1 mudbug on 2013-05-21 08:46 (Reply)
mudbug: It sure is important, but so far the facts point to a pattern of singling out conservative groups and campaign donors while liberal and leftist groups avoid such scrutiny.

That's right, and understanding how that happened will allow putting in place policies to prevent a recurrence.
#2.2.1.1.1.1.1 Zachriel on 2013-05-21 12:36 (Reply)
In addition, management ordered the local office to stop using political criteria to select for audits.

Oh good!! Nothing to worry about.

Zach. That's just too slender a reed. Even if true, that's not the place to stop looking. It's too small a fact to answer. Further, the information cascade is outracing you. You are, emphatically, not fighting the good fight, not like that; not for these people.

You deserve better than these stumbling malignants. You owe it to yourself not to give them a break. What they have they hold in trust. They owe everything to you; you owe them nothing except to perpetually ride them. I know you know that. You need to actually do it. These folks, the elected, the appointed, the civilly employed, will never take government anywhere you want it to be. They are failures on your terms.*

That's all I've got to say anymore. Except that betrayal is 9/10 self-deception, and everybody gets suckered.

*Unless you've got weasel terms. They are successful weasels.
#2.3 T.K. Tortch on 2013-05-20 19:38 (Reply)
T.K. Tortch: Oh good!! Nothing to worry about.

That indicates it wasn't a conspiracy from the top, but errant behavior.

T.K. Tortch: Even if true, that's not the place to stop looking.

We agree.

T.K. Tortch: You owe it to yourself not to give them a break.

Dobbs, and much of the right, is putting conclusions before evidence. Our concern is determining the facts, and preventing similar recurrences in the future.
#2.3.1 Zachriel on 2013-05-20 19:53 (Reply)
None of this is a suprise. The Democrats demonized the tea party from day 1. We all remember the contrived march of the house Democrats from an office building to the capitol with locked arms. Pelosi and a handful of black congressmen in a vain attempt to ressurect an image of the civil rights days. They were hoping for someone in the tea party rally to say something stupid and have the media catch it on camera. But nothing bad happened. So they marched back in the underground tunnel and performed the march for the cameras again and still nothing. So one of the black communist (oops) I meant congressmen confronted the citizens and was forced to claim someone spit on him and somehow even heard someone say the "N" word (although no one else heard it and 20 or so cameras failed to capture it). This was a war against the citizens right from the beginning and the Demcrats made it quite clear to the bureaucrats what they expected from them. And the IRS and other Democrat gangsters gave them what they wanted. And now we should believe this is Bush's fault because he appointed someone years ago!!
#3 GoneWithTheWind on 2013-05-20 09:57 (Reply)

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