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Saturday, March 9. 2013
According to him, belching volcanoes lower the earth's temperature. This, despite hearing about the dreaded 'greenhouse effect' for the past 50 years.
This esteemed commenter noted that it's estimated when Mt. Pinatubo blew its stack back in '91, the planetary temperature lowered by 1/4 degree.
By implication, then, he was suggesting that we nuke a number of volcanoes, causing them to belch their mightiest into the atmosphere, thereby saving the planet from immolation because of your neighbor's SUV. At 1/4 degree of cooling apiece, I figure about a dozen of them should hold things off for at least a few decades, then we can set off a few more should the need arise.
The commenter raised the issue of having to breathe all that volcanic dust, but I quickly pointed out that (1) at least volcanic dust was natural and organic, as referred to smog and smoke, and (2) breathing volcanic dust was scientifically proven to be better than melting.
Almost every major news site carried this story yesterday, some of them right at the top.
Before we get to the big surprise, though, let's first attack this piece like any AGW screed, just for old time's sake.
Decades? Decades?? Judging geological climatology by decades is like judging how your day went by evaluating one minute. When you're speaking in global geologic terms, 'decades' are irrelevant.
Ice age? Pardon me? Although it eventually earned the sobriquet Little Ice Age, it only covered a few hundred years, hardly a geologic 'age' by any definition. Slight Cooling Trend Period would be more accurate.
And, if we're admitting the Little Ice Age existed, then doesn't that indicate that the temp must have dropped pretty far for it to have earned such a lofty title? Might this extra-warm period it dropped from be the Medieval Warm Period? But, if so, then why was it missing from Prof. Mann's infamous 'hockey stick' graph that so swayed the Kyoto delegates?
And wait, didn't it say this is just one of the century's hottest decades? You mean, there were other hot decades in the distant past — like the Dust Bowl 30's — but without an SUV or coal plant in sight?
And that was just the first sentence of the article.
But, rather than continue in this vein, let's get right to the facts of the matter.
I guarantee you'll be stunned.
So, to sum up, SUV owners should be thanked for helping to save the planet. Remember, without them, as the article clearly states, it would be getting even colder right now, with Florida projected to be the last state with unfrozen summers by 2060. See accompanying picture for specific details.
As usual, Maggie's Farm has some suggestions on how you, too, can fight the impending menace of Natural Global Cooling:
— Let your car sit there idling whenever you're not using it. This might cost you a few bucks in gas, but what price, saving the planet?
— Buy some cows and feed them lots of baked beans to encourage high methane output. Methane, remember, is 21 times better at saving our planet than mere CO2.
— Start a campaign to bring back the SST. Because of the ultra-high altitudes it flew at, it was estimated that it did hundreds of times more damage to the upper atmosphere than regular commercial airliners. Put another way, and with what we've learned today, the higher up you go, the more help CO2 can offer.
— If the SST project seems a bit daunting, you can do the same thing from the comfort of your own back yard. Merely start a compost pile, then collect the resultant methane, pump up large weather balloons with it and release them. Once they hit max elevation and pop, you can pat yourself on the back for a job well done. While they cost a bit more, get the ones that don't pop until they hit 50,000 feet as they're deemed to be much more effective than the 30,000-foot model when it comes to preventing the current ice age that's threatening to engulf us all.
The latest scientific results are in, folks. We're literally fighting for the survival of the planet and it's up to each and every one of us to do our part in staving off this menace.
If you won't do it for yourself, do it for the children.
What price, life?
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I read that yesterday and was amazed at the disconnect between the Headline, the A.P. article, the quotes and graphs which were actually provided (or could be found) and what can be called history. But I suppose we were always at war with Ocea -- Oh Wait, maybe the old books are wrong.
...Judging geological climatology by decades is like judging how your day went by evaluating one minute nanosecond.
FIFY (subject to further honing by the we guy).
I sit corrected.
Personally, I can't wait for the next AGW article on one of the "science" sites.
"Huh?? Global WARMING? Isn't the author of this piece keeping up on the latest scientific discoveries on this important issue? Check out this study conducted by the prestigious Harvard University:
(link to post)
(same 'cooling' quote as above)
"Let's try to keep up to date, people!"
Or words to that effect.
...or making a Noon forecast of the 6 PM temp by extrapolating from 6 AM.
"Mein Gott, it will be 140 degrees, call 911!"
I couldn't get my cows to eat the baked beans so I had to do it myself, the wife was not amused.
Look her dead in the eye and say, "But dear, what price, saving the planet?"
We all have to make sacrifices. You made yours, now it's her turn.
I think Santay's wife would feel SHE was the one who made the sacrifice!
We ALL must sacrifice, including the cow who should immediately be replaced by a less fussy one. Methane is 21 times better for the planet, remember, and we simply can't let a valuable resource like that go untapped.
Ruddiman at UVA had a book Plows, Plagues, and Petroleum that came to similar conclusions. We've been warming the planet since we started having all that new-fangled "agriculture" 10,000 years ago, and a damn good thing, or lots of currently-inhabited spots would be under ice right now.
You really need to go see Watt's Up with That this morning for the post on how cattle farming might save the world. It's a long TED talk but well worth it.
Thanks for the tip, I'll check it out later. As these things go, that was quite the introduction.
That was well worth the 58:30 of my time that it took. Very interesting. Thanks.
Where, oh where is the Z-Team? The Z-Team is remiss in not informing us about AGW.
Was wondering the same thing. 'They' must be taking the day off or out fighting to stop other Global Climate Change truths from leaking out.
Shhh! Be vewy quiet...'they' are in conclave looking for trolling points. It'll be quiet for a while.
I'l Do My Part at the NASCAR race tomorrow, encouraging the consumption of fossil fuels and tailgating excessively with Kingsford.
Combining patriotism with ecology -- it's the American way!
Don't know if you've seen this about the IPCC trained...sorry, meant to say "train" engineer:
The Canuck -
After reading the article, I was left with only one question:
Why isn't it "Canook"?
Phonetically, that seems to make much more sense, given its pronunciation, and culturally it just seems like "-ook" would be a more appropriate spelling for a country with Inuit origins.
The article was interesting, although the line about "spending 20 years in prison being whipped by chains" sounded a bit harsh. I'd think 10 years would be adequate.
Why isn't it "Canook"? Good question. I can only say that the answer probably lies somewhere buried in tradition. Inuit mythology has "Nanook" so you wouldn't want to confuse the two would we?
Well, it does call him an "almost man", so I'm afraid you're too late in not wishing a comparison to Canadians in general.
Regardless, at least it explains why you don't want me to refer to you as 'The Canuckles'. And here I thought because it was too close to the word 'nooky'. :/
Up in "The Hinterland" we spell that "nook" with an "ie". ;)
Well, of course you use an extra letter. You're British, after all. Well, a principality -- but same dif.
Condolences all around. :(
Condolences all around. :( Thanks for the thought but not necessary. Just reviewing the history of the War of 1812. And more than just the words are longer up here!
"And more than just the words are longer up here!"
I get it!
But you've really got to let that War of 1812 thing go. There isn't 1 in a 100 Americans who could tell you what it was all about. Put another way, if you want the bragging rights, please, be our guest. They're all yours.
Pay no attention to Merc, Garry. He's just trying to egg you on to sail back over and bombard Fort McHenry again, this time with a non-manic song-writer aboard. Merc probably likes the key of F, since he can remember that one from his school days.
It's the default key of the ocarina, which should explain the rest.
"And more than just the words are longer up here!"
You, of course, would know I meant "attention spans". And stay away from those beans.
oh, for sure --i knew what you meant. Like back in the classroom, when sometimes you'd stay in your desk after the bell rang, because of the long attention span
The fact is that CO2 is entirely harmless, and beneficial to the biosphere. More is better.
Look at this graph: http://tiny.cc/ax5otw
You can clearly see that changes in temperature cause changes in CO2 — not vice versa!
Now, CO2 may have a small effect. But if so, it is too small to measure (thhere are no real world measurements showing that CO2 causes global warming).
Climate alarmists have cause and effect reversed, so naturally their conclusion is wrong: ∆T causes ∆CO2, not vice versa.
And here is a question that the alarmist crowd never answers: "What would it take to falsify your mistaken belief that CO2 causes AGW? Be specific."
It has now been seventeen (17) years of no global warming. If that is not enough to falsify your belief in AGW, then what, exactly, would it take? A mile of glacier ice over Chicago? Even then, lots of alarmist True Believers would still insist that CO2 causes global warming. It doesn't:
"Wood For Trees". Great site title. That's right up there with "Animals Rights: Animals have the right to be tasty".
Glenn Reynolds has three, that's three. posts up at the moment, the first of the three from late last night, concerning the "Fallen Angels" scenario, the 'AGW as savior from death by ice' theme in play above.
The known universe is for a fact a giant deep freezer, and we few, we warm few, astride our warm little ember here in Solar System #~, would ought think twice about the direction of entropy.
"Variations in how the Earth is tilted and its orbit around the sun make for a pattern of planetary warming phases followed by cooling phases across the millennia."
To my mind, this is an important statement in the CNN article. It is a confession that the Apocalyptic Warming Modelers may not have included all the necessary physics in their work. What else might be missing among the unknown unknowns? If these orbital-induced temperature variations were tiny, they could be ignored, but because they were sufficient to cause ice ages of the past, ATTENTION MUST BE PAID.
The sunspot or solar activity cycle is roughlt 11 years, with smaller two-year cycles along the way. There's also an 11 year deep ocean current cycle that --get this --is not related to the sun's cycle.
And they both affect the weather, and their synergy with earth forces >are< the weather.
Here's your insurgent weather site --fronted by the magnificent Joe Bastardi, who was thrown off the Weather Channel on the Heresy & Apostate beef (schizmatic to the NWO orthodox priesthood which WANTs PC-silencee to induce confusion as to which of (racist) science and magic rune-tossing and chicken-guts reading is the morally superior "appropriate" (so that over time, nothing will ever sound nutz to you).
Joe will 'splain the deep ocean currents, how they work, and how well the cycle frames the history of weather events --storms. Joe is also very good on the psychology of event reaction. At least, he rings true to me and i don't have to swallow a camel.
For the solar cycle, the latest is ht glenn reynolds, "Something is happening to the sun" --the link is to Daily Mail report interpreting a NASA that is five years long into O-O Obamaland, so suggest remind self that where Pravda is in the air, pravda has to share.
"And they both affect the weather, and their synergy with earth forces >are< the weather"
But the weather is not climate. The ~22 year solar magnetic cycle (2 x the ~11 sunspot cycle) is much shorter than such long term climate changes as the ice ages and I don't see the connection.
I also don't see the connection --but as far as i know, no one has explained (as opposed to 'decribed') the climate changes by which we've named the whole time scale from Pre-Cambrian forward. Maybe the end of the Cretacaceous climate change has an explanation --the dinosaur killer comet that left the world-wide same-time layer of iridium ("it got iridium them dinosaurses").
Zach - Your comment was deleted for being off-topic. This is an article on the perils of global cooling, not warming. Only comments offering helpful suggestions on how to stave off this menace will be accepted.
Merc, re your closing comments of the previous same-named entry:
First, i want to thank you for closing it immediately below my idiotic ''Lizzie wif a bran' new hatchet'' remark, as otherwise my effort may have gone unnoticed.
Second, i reccomend you add a post-script editor's note, with this link configured as a hyperlink and using as the clickable text something along the lines of "geological time slideshow".
The images are diverse (the slides arranged i guess by Bing, not any single source), striking, and the presentation format includes an 'enlarge' button adjacent the 'next illo' arrow button.
Educate and entertian, and don't ever proofraed for laffers such as 'cretaceceous' neither, i always say!
"Grass becomes widespread"
I've heard those hippies being described as 'old-fashioned' or 'out of date' before, but never as Miocenic. That is really being dated!
To be honest, though, as nice as the charts were (the 'spiral' one was extra-cool), they all pale in comparison to that particular scene in Carl Sagan's 'Cosmos', where he walked around the big 'calendar' that represented the full stretch of time. While I don't think I'll actually sit down and watch all 13 episodes in order to find that spot, if you happen to know or can find out, I'll rip the DVD and post a high-quality version here.
I'll look for it --i think of that Sagan series millyuns and millyuns of times --it was supime and sublerb television, alright.
The Huang twins have done something awesome, too, along the same lines allowing folks to flash on how miraculous it is that such tiny and short-lived critters can point their eyeballs all the way out to the edge.
PS, they've updated and improved --be sure your sound is on, they play space music like when they were on their way last leg to the big black square thing on the moon! Maybe i should mention, in the Kubrick film "2001, a Space Odyssey".
Now you click en passant on a celestial object --and get a text balloon thumnail descripto!
Not only the celestial objects, but the microscopics, too, scaling back from the midway title page.
For example, at 10 to the minus 3.9 power, a human egg comes into view, and if you click on it, the text bubble says, among other things, that "Ovoviviparous is the only English word starting with 'vowel-v-vowel-v-vowel-v-vowel' --!
You (or someone) posted it a week ago or so. Very nicely done, for sure. Maggie's version is here.
Some scientists are predicting another maunder minimum soon. Global cooling will be a disaster for humans and large animals on a biblical scale. Ponder the maunder.
Them AGW people are gonna get us all killed!
Waaaait a moment ...aren't they the same folks advocating population reduction --?
Now that U mention it...I thot I did heard sumpion' abt that.
Watt wud Team Zack tink?
Garry, have you by any chance recently visited Mississippissippi?
It's been years since I've been through Mississippi (Gulfport, Biloxi etc)...that was in 19-oh-77. Jesse Winchester wrote a lovely tune titled "Biloxi". Been through 39 of your wonderful states some numerous times.