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Monday, January 28. 2013
I am opposed to amnesty for illegal immigrants, partly because it is indeed a crime and we are a nation of law (why begin citizenship as a Federal criminal when there are legal ways to do it?), and partly because I have seen what five-ten year hoops and expenses legal immigrants to the US need to go through, such as physicians from Canada and the UK, and programming geniuses from Singapore. Also, because I believe that vast numbers of immigrants cannot be assimilated. (Case in point: Mexifornia. Case in point: Europistan. Case in point: Dearborn, MI.) And, lastly, people have no idea how impossible it is for an American to emigrate to Mexico. Many American citizens and retirees would like to, if they could. Puerto Vallarta. Cabo. Basically, they have made it illegal to do so. Mexico is hell on immigrants. They want none of them.
This piece by Skerry reviews some of the history that may make Mexican illegals a somewhat different case. From Splitting the Difference on Illegal Immigration:
It is worth reading. In the end, I suppose, my sentiment is that I would prefer that people who live in crappy countries do what they can to improve them. My blessed and brave ancestors did that here, for me. Half the world would invade the US were they able to do so. If you want to come here, why not try to make your place like ours? We have enough people already, and terrible unemployment with grandiose PhDs working as restaurant waiters. Nothing wrong with educated wait staff, but it's probably not what they envisioned in their Obama Economy.
Bear in mind that I very much enjoy the legal Mexican and Colombian immigrants around here. Great people, family people, ambitious and entrepreneurial, and wonderful restaurants too. They are doing many jobs which unemployed Americans, with their sense of entitlement, spurn. However, it is true that they frequently prefer cash which, as an honest taxpayer, I resent. Not entirely assimilated into American values, know nothing about our history or traditions or even why we are a special place. Willing to work hard, though. It's more about money than political freedom because neither Mexico nor Colombia are totalitarian or oppressive states.
Except for Boston, New England doesn't have the hispanic drug gangs and crims that California has. Most of our crims here are home-grown.
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--know why the wretched masses tumble into USA? Becuz when Lady Justice raises one side of her blindfold, what peeps out is the Evil Eye.
Beware the ''crony'' --soon you will have no contract law, no contracts, and no escape from futility.
We're there now --but with the promise yet that we might --without another gunfight --make that a temporary condition.
your link isn't leading to the article, just returns to this page.
I think the solution to illegal immigration reform begins by not calling it "immigration", find some other word that doesn't suggest that permanent residency and citizenship are the end results. there are many people here on temporary non-resident visas (business, investment, school, seamen, etc).
mexican and latin american visitors can we welcomed in to do their temporary, seasonal work, or undesirable labor for a specific time or season, and then go home to mexico or points south. let them return next picking season, or renew their work visas for a specific number of times. make them illegible for adjustment of status to legal permanent residents if they marry US citizens. make their wives, kids, cousins to the Nth degree ineligible for dependent visas.
welcome in as many as the Dept of Labor thinks the economy needs. no more, no less.
come down like a ton of bricks on employers who hire illegals or pay submin wages or have other unfair working conditions: heavy fines for for the companies, jail for the managers.
you can also make some other reforms by increasing the number of second or third preference visas for those who are waiting legally, sometimes over ten years.
as an attorney, I prefer cash, especially from my criminal clients. and by that I don't mean clients who are charged with criminal offenses, I mean criminal clients.
The link is:
Obama got 71% of the Hispanic vote in 2012. Explain to me again why we want more Hispanic voters. When Reagan passed his amnesty in 1983, he was rewarded with 33% of the Hispanic vote in the 1984 election. Asians, the "model minority," hard working, well educated , high achieving, voted 75% for Obama in 2012. Methinks they don't buy into the low taxes less government rugged individualist thing, and that most of them like the statist model, and a lot of them don't like whitey much , either. We have been the willing accomplices of the destruction of traditional American culture and civilizational values. Now, Rubio and friends will accelerate the process. I live in California. I have seen the future.
"Not entirely assimilated into American values, know nothing about our history or traditions or even why we are a special place. Willing to work hard, though. It's about money, not political freedom."
For me, that sums up the entire debate right there and why so many Americans do resent the illegal immigrants.
I think you're right.
I wish more Americans understood US history, well the real stuff, not what Zinn or even Joy Hakim write.
It wan't really taught to me all those years ago, and I'm certain it's worse now.
... people have no idea how impossible it is for an American to emigrate to Mexico...
I am OLD he said and that has been my only objection for my part century looking at the problem. I/we have been to Mexico many times as tourists (with the Touristas a few times) and loves it. It was obvious that they did not want our permanent presence. When reciprocity in a fact for both simple residence and employment for the Common Person is attained we can talk.........
The Asian immigrants I've known--and I grew up in a large city on the west coast, so I've known a lot--were hardworking and entrepreneurial, but were generally crooked (keeping two sets of books, making backroom deals, etc) and didn't give two shits about American values or history or the Constitution but rather seemed to be dedicating their lives to the acquisition of status and status symbols. Not a group I'm wild about getting more of.
--reminds of the Asian feller in Frisco who'd convert his dollars to yuan and send some home to Beijing every few days. He never got the same number of yuan for dollars, and finally one day asked the teller for an explanation. The teller answered "Currency fluctuations". The Asian guy frowns and says "Oh Yeah? Well maybe someday the currency flucs you Amelicans, too!"
I think, the rulers of Mexico, whomever they may be at any one time, are fully aware and rightfully cautious of too many Americans living in their country. As, in, it soon wouldn't be, theirs, exclusively. They wish not the rot of freedom (from their perspective) soiling their fascism. Though right, it is Socialism. So much better.
Defiantly separatist, illegal aliens live, work and thrive in their respective enclaves.
They don't live in the shadows. They don't have to.
Occasionally some Americans attempt to defend themselves against this poisonous imposition at the local level. But beyond that, the illegal immigration issue is played out in election cycle op eds, internet postings and bogus debates.
We have become an ethnic state where the various tribes battle at the street level. Day after day.
We are losing those battles. We have no back up. In fact, their numbers and privileges increase to the exact degree we are disenfranchised.
Sure hope these illegals, er, I mean new Americans, future republicans and democrats, support the 2nd amendment for gringos.
I love that Illinois passed a law yesterday allowing for drivers' licenses for illegals. I wonder if Bill Ayres has set up shop yet. He's a master at false IDs (as he bragged about in his books).
I don't think it's overly-dramatic to say that if the Republicans vote for Amnesty they're finished. It will so disenfranchise the right that Romney's lousy base turnout will be the envy of future generations of Republican candidates. I know I'll be done with them (seriously): my grandpa told me that any time you find yourself in a poisonous relationship or friendship, you have the power to end it. He was a smart guy.
We, as a society, are well past the point where our social values and general social environment are no longer unique. We've diluted the very structure of society and government by allowing a entrenched political class, a professional state and Federal bureaucracy ever more hungry for more power and the Upper Class to rule over Middle America without any sort of retribution or professional/personal cost if they screw up. And they screw up on a regular basis.
Part of this is due to illegal immigration, but it is also due to legal immigration. I am reminded of a situation that happened when I lived in CT in a neighboring town. One family immigrated from Turkey, religious Muslims and bought a gas station - half a million dollars cash. The next thing you know, all the gas stations in town are owned by this one extended family. By the time we left CT, they wre extending their reach into neighboring towns and over the border into Massachusetts. Their kids (boys - the girls don't go to school) attend a religious school in a different town.
The next thing that happened is a former school master from Turkey purchased the old Catholic Academy that had been abandoned for years, refurbished it and started bringing in Turk boys (no girls) students and the Turk students from the local area. Teachers were imported from Turkey to teach at this school - no local teachers are hired. The boys don't have any sports teams that participate in the local high school conferences, none speak English and you think some Americans have a sense of entitlement, these kids have one and it's not friendly to Americans.
Just one example, but these little enclaves of legal immigrants are expanding their influence by applying our own rules against ourselves. And the local political class doesn't want to confront them for some reason.
So we're responsible for killing our own society - we have nobody to blame but ourselves.
I'm not sure it's accurate to say we have enough people. Our demographic crisis is less severe than that of Europe largely because of the childbearing habits of Hispanic immigrants.
From Legal insurrection:
"Remember, in order to collect information on illegals, the government needs also to collect information on legals. This all may be “necessary,” but at least recognize what illegal immigration and its “reform” is costing us in terms of our personal privacy."
The issue as I see it is either the politicians were hired/elected by citizens to work for citizens or they are working for illegal aliens. The cost of 12 million illegals suddenly becoming legal will be borne by the citizens. That means all costs since illegals kill about 3000 people a year and will cost us untold billions in welfare, schools, etc. This should be put up for a vote/referendum. better yet let every congressman who votes for amnesty be required to run for reelection before amnesty can be passed. If the public votes them out then no amnesty. If they all keep their jobs then the citizens must have wanted amnesty. This amnesty will cost us all and it is only fair we decide and not 535 politicians.